GDT: Training Camp 2023
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That Nashville team is what Blake is building toward. I think I remember him saying it himself so its by their own admission. Its enough to where ownership is happy they dont suck and they get playoff revenue. Management gets to keep their jobs and everyone wins besides the most competitive players that want a cup.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
That is what you strive to be?
If the Kings don’t win a playoff round this season would you be supportive of Blake, Luc and TMac losing their jobs?
If the answer to the above question is no, then at what point would you say it’s fair that all of their jobs are in doubt? 8 years, 10 years, 15 years? Never?
Competitive with a chance to win every year, f*** yea, that's what EVERY team strives to be.....
If the Kings don't win a playoff round, I wanna know why first....is it because our best defenseman and forward were injured in Game 1, or was it because we couldn't solve the goaltending problem, that's a huge difference.....
I don't see any three of them going anywhere right now, it's funny how they have the entire league fooled....but not people on message boards....
I'm fully on board with no extensions, simply explaining why I could see them happening. Another is because of stability reasons. I don't want my GM or coach making dumb, reactionary things just to save their asses.
I'd be fine with short extensions of a year or two because if it's not working, you can make changes without having big payouts. It doesn't really affect a coach's firing unless they are still under contract for 3 or 4 more years.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Who has who fooled?
The opinions of media or fans don’t really matter. I am a results oriented person, I think sports is the ultimate results oriented business.
I’m just simply asking at what point do the lack of results warrant a change. But it seems you aren’t interested in answering with any type of firm number.
And why shouldn’t the GM get blame for the goaltending being the reason they lost, isn’t goaltending part of roster construction?
If goaltending was the reason they lost, and they didn't fix it, then 100% Blake should be blamed.
What I am saying is the reason WHY they lost, is just as important as...they lost.
Not talking about opinions of media or fans, unless we think that opinions of insiders who listen to people in the sport, don't mean a single thing....
Sol
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What will it take for you to be convinced that coaching is a big reason why they lost? I just want to see if you’re capable of being honest or you’re more set on being a contrarian.
Kings played the worst possible formation against the oilers that led to their defeat. Two years in a row. The Kings got absolutely destroyed last year until January. In MARCH they finally got to the positive in GF/GA. They have the most atrocious PK that got exposed again last year and hasn’t changed formation this year. Is that injury? You think injury is to blame? Even you can’t be this dishonest. The Kings have a major issue in their coaching. Even the line ups.
this is a moment to redeem your honor so I hope you won’t argue these points because OH boy will you look like you’re stuck in 2007 EA Be a GM mode glory days.
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johnjm22
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I want Luc gone.
I'm kind of indifferent about TMac.
I'd be okay with keeping Blake around.
I'm kind of indifferent about TMac.
I'd be okay with keeping Blake around.
tny760
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"blaming the right guy" is a step forward in the GBH playbook, i'll kinda take that
King'sPawn
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Talk of extension is natural, considering the contract ends after the season. I'm honestly not alarmed at a discussion, considering the Kings need to think about who will be in charge after this season.
I am HOPING the extension talk consisted of "we need to do more in the postseason before we can justify extending you."
It's when/if they actually give an extension.
I am HOPING the extension talk consisted of "we need to do more in the postseason before we can justify extending you."
It's when/if they actually give an extension.
I'm fine with Luc sticking around, just not in his role. Dude should be a team ambassador or something along those lines. He's absolutely fine as long as he doesn't dabble in drafts, rosters, or anything like that.
I will say this - he's been a lot less visible lately compared to when he first started, so credit to him for that.
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Whilst I think it’s too early to extend him, unless they are definitely ditching him an extension isn’t crazy. It’s not a good thing to have a lame duck coach.
So if they give him 2 years then it’s not the end of the world as it would not cost a horrible amount to sack him. I ‘d say one year but he won’t be signing that regardless… I’d still wait until after Christmas to see where we are at. How he handles the young guys this year will determine the future because we need to shed more vets due to the cap.
The Caps won the cup when Trotz was a lame duck so it isn't always bad.
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True but it presents a risk for sure. If he is 100% backed by the team it could actually be a good thing, but it can limit accountability.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I’m curious why anyone would want TMac gone if the season is a failure but would be ok with Blake/Luc staying and getting a 4th coach?
That would be 7 years of no success with three different HC’s. At what point does the finger stop being pointed at the coach and instead at the GM and the President who constructed the roster?
What about the poor results at the draft table, is that going to be blamed on the coach as well? Will Yannetti take the fall for that or does he have eternal job security also?
That would be 7 years of no success with three different HC’s. At what point does the finger stop being pointed at the coach and instead at the GM and the President who constructed the roster?
What about the poor results at the draft table, is that going to be blamed on the coach as well? Will Yannetti take the fall for that or does he have eternal job security also?
tigermask48
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This is where I've been at for awhile. Let's also keep in mind what an absolute failure Willie Dejardins was.
I don't know if there is a single move Blake has made that I haven't soured on over time based on how it's turned out.
The Fiala trade still looks good I guess, and the Danault signing has been good. So that's two moves over 7 years? That isn't a great track record by anyone in this organization.
Ziggy Stardust
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Willie Desjardins wasn't hired to turn the team around, he was hired to finish out the season, just like John Torchetti in 2006.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
He was hired 13 games into the season and the team was 4-8. They were still claiming this was a playoff team, they were most certainly not at the stage of throwing in the towel on the season, not on Nov 4th.
Torchetti was hired at the 70 game mark for a team that was basically on life support, by a GM who knew he was going to be fired if they missed the playoffs.
I don’t really think it’s fair to say the situations were comparable.
Sol
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I dont think he's earned that right. He's been given a pretty good team on paper and he hasn't been able to get them past the first round.
I think it's important that they dont extend him because if they give him another 2 years thats going to be another 2 years of athletes getting older and fizzling out.
I can't really respond the way I want, suffice to say everyone knows how much I think of you.....right?
I've gone on record as saying the PK setup is absolutely brutal, I understand the theory behind it, (bet you can't say the same) and I understand the reasoning behind it, but practically it doesn't work.
As far as the worst possible yadda yadda bullshit........this is what happens when you focus on one game, or one set of games etc, your vision starts to get f***ed....
You can't begin to understand how they cracked 100 points can you? Your simpleton ass chalks it up to...well everyone was tanking......(sure, if everyone was SJ and ANA)
Herby
How could Blake have known?
GBH, there was a generational talent at the top of the draft and another player who was probably the best college freshman anyone had seen since Paul Kariya, and apparently a prospect in Sweden who was even better than him(to atleast one team).
The Kings finished with 5 more points last season and still finished 3rd, 7 points behind Vegas and 5 behind Edmonton.
There most certainly were a lot of teams last year that were constructed to lose (I don’t want to say the players were trying to lose). And because of that, point totals overall increased for the teams not constructed to lose.
That is why where you finish in the standings is more important than overall point totals.
The Kings finished with 5 more points last season and still finished 3rd, 7 points behind Vegas and 5 behind Edmonton.
There most certainly were a lot of teams last year that were constructed to lose (I don’t want to say the players were trying to lose). And because of that, point totals overall increased for the teams not constructed to lose.
That is why where you finish in the standings is more important than overall point totals.
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Ziggy Stardust
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Everyone knew Desjardins was a lame duck coach who'd be out of here by the end of the season, that was apparent very early on, just as we knew that Torchetti wouldn't be returning at the end of the season.
Did anyone here really think he was going to be here longer than the duration of that awful season? The team also started to trade away veteran players that same year. I think it was obvious what his role behind the bench was from the get go, and it wasn't to turn things around.
Where you finish is more important than overall point, but overall points tracked year to year can tell a story as well...
There were not "A LOT" of teams constructed to lose, Chicago was one for sure, Anaheim, was another one, San Jose was one.....who were the other ones in your book? Let;s just stick to the Western Conference, unless you want to tackle everything?
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