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Trafalgar Law said:
Nurse is overpaid but he's not what's preventing us from upgrading our roster. It's the 4.5 million going to bottom pair dman Tyson Barrie, the 2.75 million going to 4th line winger Warren Foegele, and the bloody 4.2 million in dead cap, along with poor choices in past seasons such as the Zack Kassian contract and taking on the Duncan Keith cap dump while giving up assets. Hyman and RNH contracts are at high risk of turning into millstones by the end of their contracts too. Nurse is overpaid by what, like 20% at best? That 1.5-2 million dollar upgrade isn't the end of the world considering his role. Now The bottom pair dman/4th line winger getting overpaid that much, now that's a problem.
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My hot take... Barrie is overpaid MUCH less than Nurse.
 
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ManofSteel55 said:
You can say that about any contract on the team. I don't think Nurse is even our most overpaid guy, so its always interesting to see this point come out when there are others we should be more critical of.

Nurse is only in the "how did he get that contract" stage of discussions because people are morons. If you ask most people who hate Nurse, the reasons they give are easy to disprove. That's especially the case with casual fans. He's 1 - 1.5M overpaid, and we know why he got that - because he took bridges while management was trying to figure out if he was going to improve enough to surpass Klefbom, or if he was going to settle in as a 2nd pair guy. They did this all the way up to UFA status for him, and if they didn't extend him, he would have tested free agency in the most recent off season. So he left money on the table for the team already, there was no reason for him to yet again. Especially when he was a top 10 defenseman 2 years ago. Hell, even last year, when he put up fewer points, people get all over him, but he still fulfills the most important part of a #1 defenseman. He eats a ton of minutes and comes out ahead against top competition. He puts up top pair even strength point production. Would probably top 45 points if he got more powerplay time. Oiler fans need to stop searching for a scapegoat,
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You’d think it would be fair to let the guy play at least one second on the contract before declaring him overpaid. Probably too rational a thought for some around here though.

Im betting this year were going to see the team improve defending as a group and along with that more support for Nurse.

Like you said, we all know he’s over paid AAV wise by probably about 1-1.5M and they definitely shot themselves in the foot bridging him to UFA but context is important and the Klefbom situation is a big turn. If injuries don’t suddenly derail Klefboms career forcing the team to rely more on Nurse, he likely doesn’t have the monster shortened season he had. The situation also completely destroyed any leverage they had, your #1 defender retires suddenly one offseason then the next your #3 defender doesn’t want to re-sign, it puts you in a tough spot.

In hindsight they probably should of let him play out last season and signed him this off-season when so many teams were cap strapped but it would of been a huge risk, imagine our blue line if Nurse walked this summer.
 
CycloneSweep said:
He had 1 season in a really weird year where he was good offensively.
Nurse is arguably a low end #1. I have 15-20 defenders ahead of him pretty easily. It is what it is, lets just hope he can improve from what we saw last year.
At the end of the day Nurse is a high event defender who benefits from high end linemates but allows a crap ton of chances. He is an extremely high event defender who is an athletics beast. He can play tons of minutes but doesn't really mean he should be. He is overpaid cause our dcore isn't good and he carries it, but on a good dcore he is probably a #3 guy.
He isn't the issues with our dcore but if he was as good as his contract suggest, it wouldn't be as bad.
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So which is it. A low end 1, or a #3. It's the earlier. He succeeds in those many minutes. He is out there for more goals for than against. He's marginally overpaid based on what similar defenders were paid at around the same time. He isn't the issue at all.
 
McDNicks17 said:
Analytics God Weegar: 2.46 xGA/60

Worst Defensive Defenseman in the League Nurse: 2.53 xGA/60

:sarcasm:

edit: To really put that into context, that means Weegar is on the ice for 1 full expected goal against less every 857 minutes of 5v5. That's about 50 games of playing 18 minutes of 5v5 per night.
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If anything your proved my point a bit more, Weegars contract is miles better than Nurse ;)

SupremeTeam16 said:
You’d think it would be fair to let the guy play at least one second on the contract before declaring him overpaid. Probably too rational a thought for some around here though.

Im betting this year were going to see the team improve defending as a group and along with that more support for Nurse.

Like you said, we all know he’s over paid AAV wise by probably about 1-1.5M and they definitely shot themselves in the foot bridging him to UFA but context is important and the Klefbom situation is a big turn. If injuries don’t suddenly derail Klefboms career forcing the team to rely more on Nurse, he likely doesn’t have the monster shortened season he had. The situation also completely destroyed any leverage they had, your #1 defender retires suddenly one offseason then the next your #3 defender doesn’t want to re-sign, it puts you in a tough spot.

In hindsight they probably should of let him play out last season and signed him this off-season when so many teams were cap strapped but it would of been a huge risk, imagine our blue line if Nurse walked this summer.
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Nurse has already had the best season he will ever had and it’s an overpay based on that so I mean…unless Nurse is an undisputed top 5 defender in the league, it’s a terrible contract.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
So which is it. A low end 1, or a #3. It's the earlier. He succeeds in those many minutes. He is out there for more goals for than against. He's marginally overpaid based on what similar defenders were paid at around the same time. He isn't the issue at all.
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Last year his goal share 5v5 was negative (barely) and that was with heavy McDavid minutes. He was on the ice for 1 more goal for than against. A legit #1d shouldn’t be pretty much breaking even, you want more out of your defenders. When you are paying 9mill for a d, you need far more than not even breaking even 5v5 when most of your icetime is with McDavid.
 
CycloneSweep said:
Last year his goal share 5v5 was negative (barely) and that was with heavy McDavid minutes. He was on the ice for 1 more goal for than against. A legit #1d shouldn’t be pretty much breaking even, you want more out of your defenders. When you are paying 9mill for a d, you need far more than not even breaking even 5v5 when most of your icetime is with McDavid.
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Guy had a pretty decent plus minus for someone who barely broke even 5 vs 5.

I suspect you are using the term "legit #1 d" the way most do, and that is in expecting a top 5 defenseman. We know Nurse isn't that. He is a #1 though. Blame his overpayment on management though. If they committed to him earlier we could have had his cap hit far lower. Can't blame the guy for wanting to be paid similar to comparable players like Jones.
 
CycloneSweep said:
If anything your proved my point a bit more, Weegars contract is miles better than Nurse ;)


Nurse has already had the best season he will ever had and it’s an overpay based on that so I mean…unless Nurse is an undisputed top 5 defender in the league, it’s a terrible contract.
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Who’s to say the Weegar isn’t going to regress after he doesn’t have the vaunted Panthers lineup to make him look better?

Can’t believe I’m defending Nurse, but Weegar is getting incredibly overrated here. Sounds like CP
 
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Oilhawks said:
Who’s to say the Weegar isn’t going to regress after he doesn’t have the vaunted Panthers lineup to make him look better?

Can’t believe I’m defending Nurse, but Weegar is getting incredibly overrated here. Sounds like CP
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They are both overrated, one is on a much better contract and have similar results.
 
McDNicks17 said:
Analytics God Weegar: 2.46 xGA/60

Worst Defensive Defenseman in the League Nurse: 2.53 xGA/60

:sarcasm:

edit: To really put that into context, that means Weegar is on the ice for 1 full expected goal against less every 857 minutes of 5v5. That's about 50 games of playing 18 minutes of 5v5 per night.
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Weegar was on the ice for a team-worst 74 goals at ES for d-men

but the worst part this stat is that its a whopping 17 (!) more goals than the next closest d-man on the Panthers....high event player to say the least

and overrated as hell
 
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I'm not sure how I feel about the team waiving Janmark. I just doubt Ryan is going to hold up at his age. I'll yield to team wisdom on this, as they look at these players much closer than I do, but it's just surprising to me.
 
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Fourier said:
A house in my neighborhood was getting heating work done today. The service person was a doppelganger for Leon. Maybe he needs a side hustle to make up for his modest salary.
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Wants to be among the people, can't always be a star or he's going to start acting, so he's blending in for a role.
 
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Oilhawks said:
Sure, sure, that’s what they all say.
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“They”

That’s rich

I didn’t realize you were THE tier 1 fan I was supposed to impress

My mistake (I am a tier two fan after all. I can only afford 2 or 3 2k trips a year to see games)

Anyhoo

I get it
Sarcasm isn’t your forte.
My comment was less about Weegars contract and more about Nurses contact… and our cap situation

But
You know what they say about sarcasm…
Right?

Or should I slow things down for you?

Let me know
 
Reasonable Oil Fan said:
“They”

That’s rich

I didn’t realize you were THE tier 1 fan I was supposed to impress

My mistake (I am a tier two fan after all. I can only afford 2 or 3 2k trips a year to see games)

Anyhoo

I get it
Sarcasm isn’t your forte.
My comment was less about Weegars contract and more about Nurses contact… and our cap situation

But
You know what they say about sarcasm…
Right?

Or should I slow things down for you?

Let me know
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Am I supposed to care about this tantrum post?

Eagerly awaiting the next tepid hot take / word salad essay
 
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CycloneSweep said:
If anything your proved my point a bit more, Weegars contract is miles better than Nurse ;)


Nurse has already had the best season he will ever had and it’s an overpay based on that so I mean…unless Nurse is an undisputed top 5 defender in the league, it’s a terrible contract.
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That didn’t really prove your point.

You said nurse was one of the worst D defensively.

Weird how a supposed defensive stud and analytics darling is barely ahead despite playing easier QoC

Jimmi McJenkins said:

Hamblin and Broberg make the big club, along with Holloway of course

Honestly big props to Hamblin, long odds, but found a way
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Broberg made the club for opening night, niemalainen will most likely be called up after initial rosters are set
 
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