Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp 2022/23

[Mortimer Snerd]

That cant be true

That's what the schedule says.

 

[DRW204]

sure looks like the jets dont see cole as a centre in this league. 6 games to try him there but didnt. way to small to be a centre. the centre we get back for dubois if he decides he isnt signing here and we trade him next summer will be his replacement.

idk if it's a guarantee we get a C back for PLD, if he is dealt.

i echo your thoughts though. at least to start the year, it looks like he'll be a Wing. there's no room for him as a top-6 C as he's not better than PLD or Scheifele. he hasn't played a lot of C to-date now since being drafted.

This org loves Lowry as a 3C so he wont be usurping him, and 4C mins/wingers is a waste of his talent. Bowness in DAL was clear top-6 (really top-line) & bottom-6 disparity, w/ Radek Faksa (a player of similar traits as Lowry) being heavily used. so i am anticipating a bit of the same here. the opportunity for him to be a 3C at the least is slim.... & even if he is a 3C, with a winger mix of appleton/gagner/harkins/barron, other than maybe Gagner idk if any have an offensive skillset to complement Perfetti.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I don't see Perfetti as a pro center. Not sure if he has everything required to be successful as a center. I see more as a play driving winger ala Kucherov

Tampa went into the playoffs with Point/Cirelli/Paul/Bellemare as Centers. What they really do well as an org is have quality on the wings all down there lines

 

[surixon]

I don't see Perfetti as a pro center. Not sure if he has everything required to be successful as a center. I see more as a play driving winger ala Kucherov

Tampa went into the playoffs with Point/Cirelli/Paul/Bellemare as Centers. What they really do well as an org is have quality on the wings all down there lines

I'm curious, what don't you think he has to be a pro center?

I think he has all attributes except for ideal size but given his smarts and timing he doesn't really need it.

 

[Jet]

I'm curious, what don't you think he has to be a pro center?

I think he has all attributes except for ideal size but given his smarts and timing he doesn't really need it.

Yeah I'd say size is probably a pretty low factor when it comes to being an NHL center. You shouldn't be doing a lot of wall work, which is where size becomes important. I'd say that skating, stick placement and positioning are the top attributes. If I was to have a complaint about Perfetti at C it would have more to do with his top end speed - but I don't think that's much of a concern.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I'm curious, what don't you think he has to be a pro center?

I think he has all attributes except for ideal size but given his smarts and timing he doesn't really need it.

I don't think he has the skating to be a top line center. He would need to play 200 feet all the time. I think he is much better suited to cheating for offense because his hockey IQ is probably the highest on the team. Essentially I would rather have him worry about creating offense from the red line in instead of worrying about defense from the goal line out. Not that he is a bad defensive player, he isn't but I think he could be a 80+ point player in the league because his offensive game is that good.

He is really good at stripping the puck and his placement on the ice is top level. I just feel right now at least I want offense from him and I don't want to stymie it by having to go up against the McDavids/Matthews of the league

 

[ffh]

judging by the line rushes it looks like the 3rd coaching staff that has stanley ahead of heinola and samberg.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

judging by the line rushes it looks like the 3rd coaching staff that has stanley ahead of heinola and samberg.

I think Stanley starts but I'm pretty convinced he doesn't last the whole season. Preseason, its not like a guy will lose a spot cuz he had a bad period or game but if he has multiple when things get real... he will. Still convinced they keep all 3 up and go 1 extra forward. Sort of surprising tho considering ville does things Stan can't and Samberg is a better defensive player.

 

[blues10]

It's true, but they're going to be streamed.

Is TSN steaming them or the Jets?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm curious, what don't you think he has to be a pro center?

I think he has all attributes except for ideal size but given his smarts and timing he doesn't really need it.

Size - and I don't see why he wouldn't need it.

Some smaller players succeed at C, but generally they need a little bulk.

How do they ease him in at the position when Lowry at 3C is written in stone? Not to mention that he is needed as a top 6W.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Atoyot]

Perfectly fine with these moves, neither have impressed me. Stenlund has some good tools but looks lost often, Reichel is all motor no tools no toolbox. Has a good shot too I guess.

Perfetti-Lowry-Lambert line in camp right now. I'd love a kid line for a 3rd line. Spread the talent we have if need be.

Don't understand people thinking that Perfetti can't be a center. He's already better defensively than Scheifele, he's rock solid on his skates so you can't really point to his size. If anything his biggest issue is that he's awful at faceoffs. For a team that has pointed to not having right handed wingers as an issue for so long it's weird that they keep using Scheifele as a center when he plays like a winger anyways. Hell give Perfetti the center's responsibilities and let Scheifele take the draws.

Is TSN steaming them or the Jets?

I'm actually not entirely sure, I'll try to find an answer for you.

 

[surixon]

Perfectly fine with these moves, neither have impressed me. Stenlund has some good tools but looks lost often, Reichel is all motor no tools no toolbox. Has a good shot too I guess.

Perfetti-Lowry-Lambert line in camp right now. I'd love a kid line for a 3rd line. Spread the talent we have if need be.

Don't understand people thinking that Perfetti can't be a center. He's already better defensively than Scheifele, he's rock solid on his skates so you can't really point to his size. If anything his biggest issue is that he's awful at faceoffs. For a team that has pointed to not having right handed wingers as an issue for so long it's weird that they keep using Scheifele as a center when he plays like a winger anyways. Hell give Perfetti the center's responsibilities and let Scheifele take the draws.


I'm actually not entirely sure, I'll try to find an answer for you.

They actually have the kids with Toninoto as Dubois is away again. If Dubois can't play Wednesday give Cole a shot at center.

Not sure why they are working Blake in on the top line, please keep him and Mark away from each other....

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

They actually have the kids with Toninoto as Dubois is away again. If Dubois can't play Wednesday give Cole a shot at center.

Not sure why they are working Blake in on the top line, please keep him and Mark away from each other....

My speculation is that bones wants to reward Lambert with a preseason game or two on that line in Wheeler's spot before getting sent down. Id imagine he wants the other regular lines to start playing together too so that leaves Wheeler working in on the top line for today

 

[surixon]

I don't think he has the skating to be a top line center. He would need to play 200 feet all the time. I think he is much better suited to cheating for offense because his hockey IQ is probably the highest on the team. Essentially I would rather have him worry about creating offense from the red line in instead of worrying about defense from the goal line out. Not that he is a bad defensive player, he isn't but I think he could be a 80+ point player in the league because his offensive game is that good.

He is really good at stripping the puck and his placement on the ice is top level. I just feel right now at least I want offense from him and I don't want to stymie it by having to go up against the McDavids/Matthews of the league

Personally I don't want any skaters cheating for offense on the team this year. I donget your point about wanting to develop his offensive skills first. I don't really have any issue with starting him at wing and allowing those skills to develop. But at some point we need to start planning for if/when Dubois and Scheifele leave.

While I get the skating concern I think his smarts more then offset that. Plus I expect his skating will continue to improve over the next few seasons anyhow. He's already made significant strides there.

I think he has the positioning, vision, smarts and high end play driving to be a excellent center in this league. He is also already pretty strong on his skates so size isn't a big concern either.

My speculation is that bones wants to reward Lambert with a preseason game or two on that line in Wheeler's spot before getting sent down. Id imagine he wants the other regular lines to start playing together too so that leaves Wheeler working in on the top line for today

Oh I'm sure that is the plan as the other lines look set today with Toninoto as the obvious placeholder. I doubt Blake will want to play each of the last two games anyhow so why not give him one more game with some skilled linemates.

 

[Brain Little]

 

[RustyCat]

By my count there are 9 competing for 6 spots now (please correct me if I am wrong).

Toninato
Gagner
Harkins
Lowry
Appleton
Gus
Lambert
Barron
Maenalanen

Pretty well pencil in Lowry, Appleton, Gagner so leaves 6 competing for 3 spots.

Likely fillers are Harkins and Toninato, although I do wonder if Toninato may see the PB as he has been underwhelming.

I really like Gus but he has been underwhelming as well, and Barron hasn't played yet so it is hard to peg him. Lambert is likely showing to see where he lands elsewhere so I feel Maenalanen is the guy to beat. And I have liked what I have seen from him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Perfectly fine with these moves, neither have impressed me. Stenlund has some good tools but looks lost often, Reichel is all motor no tools no toolbox. Has a good shot too I guess.

Perfetti-Lowry-Lambert line in camp right now. I'd love a kid line for a 3rd line. Spread the talent we have if need be.

Don't understand people thinking that Perfetti can't be a center. He's already better defensively than Scheifele, he's rock solid on his skates so you can't really point to his size. If anything his biggest issue is that he's awful at faceoffs. For a team that has pointed to not having right handed wingers as an issue for so long it's weird that they keep using Scheifele as a center when he plays like a winger anyways. Hell give Perfetti the center's responsibilities and let Scheifele take the draws.

It is for draws that I think Perfetti could use a little more bulk.

The only other reasons I don't see him at C are - 1) Skating which he appears to have largely fixed and, 2) the Jets just don't seem to have any interest in developing him at C. That 2nd one may not be a good reason except that it trumps all other factors. Seems strange to me given the PLD talk and possible expiry date on Scheifele, but that is what they show.

Perfetti - Lowry - Lambert could be interesting, and fun, but then who fills out the top 6 wings?

 

[surixon]

It is for draws that I think Perfetti could use a little more bulk.

The only other reasons I don't see him at C are - 1) Skating which he appears to have largely fixed and, 2) the Jets just don't seem to have any interest in developing him at C. That 2nd one may not be a good reason except that it trumps all other factors. Seems strange to me given the PLD talk and possible expiry date on Scheifele, but that is what they show.

Perfetti - Lowry - Lambert could be interesting, and fun, but then who fills out the top 6 wings?

Well they played him at C all rookie camp and Chvey keeps talking about him being a C. Perhaps they are taking the Copp approach given their penchant to want Lowry playing C on line 3.

Breaks in at wing and when comfortable give him reps at C whenever a top 6 injury arises.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well they played him at C all rookie camp and Chvey keeps talking about him being a C. Perhaps they are taking the Copp approach given their penchant to want Lowry playing C on line 3.

Breaks in at wing and when comfortable give him reps at C whenever a top 6 injury arises.

This makes sense to me.

My sense of Cole P is that he plays like a centre, wherever they end up placing him, and his distribution tends to come via centre routes. Sure, he could be bigger, faster, stronger, better at FOs, etc., but anything he needs to learn to be an effective C he will, and quickly, if history is any guide.

So I tend to agree with @Mortimer Snerd that it will come down to org preference and need now and going forward. Until that's decided, he'll be in the Roslo spot, but should have more freedom to create and finish and I expect he'll take advantage of it.

It's early, but I see Perfetti as the key piece in the Jets' next-gen core. I think he can play that role from pretty much any position that doesn't require him to wear goalie gear, so I don't think it matters much if he's pencilled in at C or W.

On a line with PLD and KFC, he's best used on the wing, IMO, because PLD plays a more direct game and is an effective disruptor netfront and N/S. With 55 and 27, I can see Cole playing C or either wing.

As long as he has linemates who can read well off him he's going to create. We've seen some good combos already, and it was fun to watch him and Ville break down the D while on the PP the other night.

 

[DashingDane]

 

[BoneDocUK]

Reminds me of this classic Ehlers move for the Mooseheads…

 

[Jet]

judging by the line rushes it looks like the 3rd coaching staff that has stanley ahead of heinola and samberg.

Really it's only the second staff - and I think Stanley has gotten progressively stronger.

Keeping Heinola up really seems like the right play as he's shown he can play both sides now so he could be very versatile if we have an injury on either side. However, I wouldn't want him rotting in the PB so maybe they keep Kovy up as a PB guy, and have Samberg and Heinola as first call ups. Not ideal, but unless they make a move I don't know.

I think they could also platoon Stanley and either Heinola or Samberg - I don't think Samberg has done much this TC to earn a spot unfortunately

 

[Huffer]

I think that the fact that Heinola does not need waivers is a factor in him possibly starting with the Moose.

I think he easily could play on the 3rd pair, and besides a very bad giveaway has looked probably the best of the 3. But I'm not sure if they would want to keep all 3 up and have 2 of them sitting in the PB on a consistent basis.

Wild ass guess, but thinking they start with JoMo, Dillon, Samberg, Stanley on the left, and Demelo, Pionk, Schmidt, and Kovy on the right (if they start with 8 D).

And then Heinola (and Chisholm) are in line for callups.

 

[Guardian17]