Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp 2022/23

[Gabe Kupari]

There's been a whole thread about how people aren't surprised.

Yes more of a general comment rather than question but... I'm curious why the media seems so shocked by it

 

[tbcwpg]

Yes more of a general comment rather than question but... I'm curious why the media seems so shocked by it

Changing the team captain is a pretty rare thing. If it was just a matter of a coaching change it would happen all the time.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No cuts today?

 

[ennsjd07]

No cuts today?

I was wondering the same thing?

 

[surixon]

No cuts today?

The team is off today. I expect cuts tomorrow.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Jet]

Nice! Hope we see Dillon with Heinola again and Lambert with Perfetti and Dubois

 

[voyageur]

Nice! Hope we see Dillon with Heinola again and Lambert with Perfetti and Dubois

I'd be shocked if Wheeler isn't on that top line. I think that trio need another game together to try to find some synchronism. It's a relatively new combination. But that's probably our 2nd line to start.

My guess is Harkins-Lowry-Appleton work together, as a potential 3rd line. I'd like to see Maenalanen get a shot there. Maenalanen looks like an upgrade on Vesalainen, he covers a lot more ice. Maenalanen and Reichel are a couple of those guys that are in the fight for final roster spots.

Lambert right now is competing to get a contract and a spot with the Moose. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with Stenlund again tomorrow.

What's your opinion of the defense so far? I thought Samberg and Schmidt were better than Samberg and Pionk. Do the Jets go back to Dillon and Pionk now?

It's looking more and more to me like Heinola is being tested as a replacement level player, fitting in on the right side gives him a lot more opportunity. Still can't see the Jets creating a roster spot for him, especially if it is at Samberg's expense, when Dylan Samberg is winning points for his work on the PK.

If the Moose end up with Heinola, Lambert, Torgersson, Lucius all getting sent down could be an exciting young team.

 

[ffh]

I'd be shocked if Wheeler isn't on that top line. I think that trio need another game together to try to find some synchronism. It's a relatively new combination. But that's probably our 2nd line to start.

My guess is Harkins-Lowry-Appleton work together, as a potential 3rd line. I'd like to see Maenalanen get a shot there. Maenalanen looks like an upgrade on Vesalainen, he covers a lot more ice. Maenalanen and Reichel are a couple of those guys that are in the fight for final roster spots.

Lambert right now is competing to get a contract and a spot with the Moose. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with Stenlund again tomorrow.

What's your opinion of the defense so far? I thought Samberg and Schmidt were better than Samberg and Pionk. Do the Jets go back to Dillon and Pionk now?

It's looking more and more to me like Heinola is being tested as a replacement level player, fitting in on the right side gives him a lot more opportunity. Still can't see the Jets creating a roster spot for him, especially if it is at Samberg's expense, when Dylan Samberg is winning points for his work on the PK.

If the Moose end up with Heinola, Lambert, Torgersson, Lucius all getting sent down could be an exciting young team.

I agree wheeler will be on the top line for sure but I think Harkins has played himself off the top 12. I can see 8 playing on the lowry line for sure.

 

[Jet]

I'd be shocked if Wheeler isn't on that top line. I think that trio need another game together to try to find some synchronism. It's a relatively new combination. But that's probably our 2nd line to start.

My guess is Harkins-Lowry-Appleton work together, as a potential 3rd line. I'd like to see Maenalanen get a shot there. Maenalanen looks like an upgrade on Vesalainen, he covers a lot more ice. Maenalanen and Reichel are a couple of those guys that are in the fight for final roster spots.

Lambert right now is competing to get a contract and a spot with the Moose. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with Stenlund again tomorrow.

What's your opinion of the defense so far? I thought Samberg and Schmidt were better than Samberg and Pionk. Do the Jets go back to Dillon and Pionk now?

It's looking more and more to me like Heinola is being tested as a replacement level player, fitting in on the right side gives him a lot more opportunity. Still can't see the Jets creating a roster spot for him, especially if it is at Samberg's expense, when Dylan Samberg is winning points for his work on the PK.

If the Moose end up with Heinola, Lambert, Torgersson, Lucius all getting sent down could be an exciting young team.

I haven't liked Samberg so far but he might be a slow starter.

I still think Dillon Pionk is a pair that should work. Hope the new d schemes prove that out. That allows demelo to play with Morrissey and Samberg Schmidt.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I agree wheeler will be on the top line for sure but I think Harkins has played himself off the top 12. I can see 8 playing on the lowry line for sure.

I don't think Appleton is a lock for top 9 either. Good to see competition developing.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I’m here for the Lambert hype train.

 

[Jets]

Interesting that Stenlund is still up with what looks like may be the cut down group

 

[ecolad]

I think Bowness had to be quite pleased with the so called B team in Montreal last game. Altho they are clearly not as skilled/dynamic as those left at home, they seemed to follow coach`s prescription very well. Scoring chances against were well down, and play in the neutral zone and offensive zone looked encouraging, with few glaring breakdowns defensively except for individual error.

It will be interesting to see if the more veteran roster playing tonight against Edmonton will show similarly. If they do in fact show more structure in the way they play, it will be very encouraging and alleviate a lot of my angst.

 

[Jet]

I think Bowness had to be quite pleased with the so called B team in Montreal last game. Altho they are clearly not as skilled/dynamic as those left at home, they seemed to follow coach`s prescription very well. Scoring chances against were well down, and play in the neutral zone and offensive zone looked encouraging, with few glaring breakdowns defensively except for individual error.

It will be interesting to see if the more veteran roster playing tonight against Edmonton will show similarly. If they do in fact show more structure in the way they play, it will be very encouraging and alleviate a lot of my angst.

I think it will take longer for the vets as they were subject to Maurices wacky systems longer - takes a while to unlearn that stuff. Especially when you are tired or under a lot of pressure, your first instinct is to go with muscle memory. I don't think we'll see the Jets playing the way that Bowness wants them to with consistency until around Christmas

 

[SM]

8-17-22 could be a solid combo
87-19-47 is interesting too

 

[surixon]

8-17-22 could be a solid combo
87-19-47 is interesting too

Interesting, I wonder if Gus is playing his way off the team. That line with him Reichel and Lambert looks like a top 6 line on the Moose. The other line with Harkins and Toninoto looks like an NHL fourth line.

 

[ffh]

Interesting, I wonder if Gus is playing his way off the team. That line with him Reichel and Lambert looks like a top 6 line on the Moose. The other line with Harkins and Toninoto looks like an NHL fourth line.

If anything 12 looks to be playing himself off team more then 19. But who knows its wide open on the 4th line.

 

[Bob E]

Bit off topic but I wish the Jets did more behind the scenes stuff like The Standard the Flyers released. Lets fans pull back the curtain a bit and feel more part of the team, and invested in its success. Can only cultivate a new closer team/fan relationship.

Maybe Sara will bring that in her new role, but it’s not just interviews with the players it’s cameras putting the fans in the room, on the ice, experiencing a new team culture. Jets have a great opportunity to change their culture and get the fans excited about the team again.

 

[ecolad]

I think it will take longer for the vets as they were subject to Maurices wacky systems longer - takes a while to unlearn that stuff. Especially when you are tired or under a lot of pressure, your first instinct is to go with muscle memory. I don't think we'll see the Jets playing the way that Bowness wants them to with consistency until around Christmas

Fair comment.... . I agree that it will take a while to make adjustments with consistency - just hoping to see early signs that they are ALL prepared to make the commitment to change.

 

[Jet]

Fair comment.... . I agree that it will take a while to make adjustments with consistency - just hoping to see early signs that they are ALL prepared to make the commitment to change.

Agreed! Really hoping the players are dedicated to getting up to speed quickly. Game over game improvement is key

 

[ecolad]

Interesting, I wonder if Gus is playing his way off the team. That line with him Reichel and Lambert looks like a top 6 line on the Moose. The other line with Harkins and Toninoto looks like an NHL fourth line.

Looks like they really want to give Perfetti/DuBois/Wheeler a good look as well... if so, pre-season games will make that assessment difficult (vets not making full effort as you`ve mentioned several times before).

You may well be right about Gus - he needs to show better quickly.

 

[voyageur]

If anything 12 looks to be playing himself off team more then 19. But who knows its wide open on the 4th line.

Yeah I think the only lock for the 4th line is Gagner. I think Gustafsson's safe to make the team, whether he starts or not is up in the air, I honestly don't know who has been better between him and Toninato in preseason. I think Eyssimont has been more noticeable than Harkins. Next game for #23 will be a big one. Eyssimont, Stenlund, Reichel all these guys are battling for a spot. Right now I'd say Maenalanen is holding one down.

I suspect the Jets start with 23 players, and Barron on IR, but I guess it still remains to be seen whether the Jets carry 7 or 8 defensemen. I think Kovacevic probably gets demoted, and passed through waivers. I also think Gustafsson would get picked up if the Jets took that risk. Not that he is amazing, but if Adam Brooks can get picked up on waivers, I'd say Gustafsson is probably more impactful as a PKer.

 

[surixon]

Looks like they really want to give Perfetti/DuBois/Wheeler a good look as well... if so, pre-season games will make that assessment difficult (vets not making full effort as you`ve mentioned several times before).

You may well be right about Gus - he needs to show better quickly.

I think the top 6 is set to start the year. This is actually the first game they are playing the full Perfetti, Wheeler and Dubois trio. Perfetti has looked great but it's the other two that are doing the typical vet take it easy thing. Hopefully both Blake and PLD ratchet it up a notch tonight so that we can see if that line is in sync. As I have said I'm concerned about the finish on that line.

All three LD also getting another game. Let's see if one steps up tonight.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think it will take longer for the vets as they were subject to Maurices wacky systems longer - takes a while to unlearn that stuff. Especially when you are tired or under a lot of pressure, your first instinct is to go with muscle memory. I don't think we'll see the Jets playing the way that Bowness wants them to with consistency until around Christmas

I agree it will take some time. I think that if they are buying in, it won't take that long. More like 10-15 regular season games, maybe 20 for a few of them.

Those first 5 or so games could look pretty ragged.