GDT: Trades & Free Agency

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There are a few around, and they will at least try for Graf, but they think he'll ultimately sign for a big-market US team. TB or Vegas could be in there as well.

As you mentioned, his teammate Quillan is there, but Boston is the only team I've seen mentioned with him.

I posted a few pages back about Veremyev of CC, who I'd go for, but he may stay another year, given that he hasn't signed yet.


Euro-wise: Tysplakov is the big fish, but there are others.

Former CBJ Calvin Thurakauf is rumored to be looking to return to the NHL after a very good season in the NL.

CBJ currently holds his rights, but he'll be free on June 30th.

Is another attracting attention.

The numbers may not look great, but the speed and the shot are there. If they miss out on Typsplakov, he would be a good alternative.


And the sneakiest one...

With the KHL timing and contracts are everything. Suvorov didn't play this past season due to a shoulder injury, but that wouldn't stop me from looking into this one very hard. He has no contract as of now, which means he could sign with an NHL club now, and beating a potential Kuzmenko-like derby for him in the coming years would be preferable.

Sign him, then loan him back to a KHL for a year.
 
I do hope the Leafs are aggressive on that market. Getting Graf and Tsyplako could really give some good interesting cheap depth options into next season.

I'm also pretty interested in Eklind from the SHL and Jacob Quillan -- who is likely to go back to the NCAA for his senior year.
I’d be thrilled with either/or.
Those two are pretty much plug and play guys by the sounds. Even signing one really helps isolate the use of the remaining cap.
I’m not familiar with Ecklind, but I’ll see what I can find out.
 
Faulty how? Our stars outplayed theirs by a significant margin, that's a fact. More than the delta in their salaries would demand. What is the argument you were attempting to make there?

It’s not worth the money. That’s the fault in your logic. They spent that money elsewhere, and they won.

It’s not that spending money on an elite forward is bad. Spending huge money on your 4th best forward before you’ve spend any on a goalie or defenseman is a bad use of cap space.


Did Vasilevsky look like the best goalie in the world in either series that we've played them? Our stars didn't seem to have any issue lighting him up.

He was probably the reason we beat them last year. He was terrible.

Of course, that wasn’t all they spent the 10 million on. Their blueline was far superior to ours as well.
 
Anybody know anything or remember anything about Igor Merezhko from his days in the WHL? Big 6'4 RHD who had a bunch of fights in junior. And produced reasonably well. Surprises me he went undrafted. Is his skating that bad?

Below from 2020. He is a big dude and if he hits and has even WHL average skills you wonder how he ending up in the VHL. He kind of seems like a poor man's Zad now that he has added some offense but as Dave mentioned he hasn't done anything in a strong pro league. Slovak money is close to AHL average so getting him over might not be that hard but that is an ECHL league he is feasting on so more likely Hoefenmayer than Zadorov. Maybe a Marlie?

1. Igor Merezhko

The stay at home defenceman was a second-round import pick by the Hurricanes in 2015. Selected out of Kharkov, Ukraine, the hard-hitting rear guard quickly become a fan favorite in Lethbridge. He seemed to have a knack for lining up guys and finishing his checks.

Merezhko was counted on to go head-to-head against the opposition’s top line, over his final two seasons in the WHL. The 6-foot-5 tower spent four seasons in the Windy City and was never overly successful in the offensive zone, with just 99 points in 254 games, and 267 penalty minutes. His leadership qualities earned him the “A” on his sweater in the 2017-18 season, He dawned the A over his final two seasons of a four year career.
Never drafted into the NHL, he is now playing in Russia with Humo Tashkent of the VHL, where he played 43 games racking up nine points. But, in true Merezhko fashion, he racked up 35 penalty minutes. He has also suited up for 11 playoff games this season, recording five helpers.
 
Below from 2020. He is a big dude and if he hits and has even WHL average skills you wonder how he ending up in the VHL. He kind of seems like a poor man's Zad now that he has added some offense but as Dave mentioned he hasn't done anything in a strong pro league. Slovak money is close to AHL average so getting him over might not be that hard but that is an ECHL league he is feasting on so more likely Hoefenmayer than Zadorov. Maybe a Marlie?

1. Igor Merezhko

The stay at home defenceman was a second-round import pick by the Hurricanes in 2015. Selected out of Kharkov, Ukraine, the hard-hitting rear guard quickly become a fan favorite in Lethbridge. He seemed to have a knack for lining up guys and finishing his checks.

Merezhko was counted on to go head-to-head against the opposition’s top line, over his final two seasons in the WHL. The 6-foot-5 tower spent four seasons in the Windy City and was never overly successful in the offensive zone, with just 99 points in 254 games, and 267 penalty minutes. His leadership qualities earned him the “A” on his sweater in the 2017-18 season, He dawned the A over his final two seasons of a four year career.
Never drafted into the NHL, he is now playing in Russia with Humo Tashkent of the VHL, where he played 43 games racking up nine points. But, in true Merezhko fashion, he racked up 35 penalty minutes. He has also suited up for 11 playoff games this season, recording five helpers.
His production in junior was fine, especially if he was a defensive defensemen. I can't see him having an attitude problem seeing as he's held a letter for most of his career. I'm just intrigued by him. I understand the Slovak league isn't much, but then again it isn't a high scoring league.
 
It’s not worth the money. That’s the fault in your logic. They spent that money elsewhere, and they won.

It’s not that spending money on an elite forward is bad. Spending huge money on your 4th best forward before you’ve spend any on a goalie or defenseman is a bad use of cap space.




He was probably the reason we beat them last year. He was terrible.

Of course, that wasn’t all they spent the 10 million on. Their blueline was far superior to ours as well.

Thing is, it's not like we had a choice between those 4 forwards and Hellebuck or Makar or someone of that ilk. If you let go of Marner then you can afford a Pesce plus a Domi in free agency. Are we better off in that scenario, trading in a dollar for four quarters?

If you want to see a four quarters scenario, look at what Lou has put together in New York. Just a whole lotta $5 mil/season players, and not even a Vezina-level goalie can pull that team into respectability.


It's a double-edged sword. Our big 4 can win us a series by themselves like they did against TB, but their salaries also leave very little room for error. You need to be smart with the little moves - you can't be giving away bargain contracts for a couple of lesser guys (ie the Kadri trade), you can't be signing/trading backup goalies to $4m deals (Mrazek, Murray), you can't be protecting Holl and letting Mccann get away, you can't keep bleeding draft picks to get out of your own bad signings, etc. And you need to hit on a couple of minimum salary guys - Dubas was terrible at this too, Mickey and Bunting aside.

This is where I think Dubas failed us. It's not so much the big 4 (well, 3) contracts as those guys mostly lived up to their salaries - it's all the peripheral stuff that he'd done that had little to do with money that robbed us of depth and cost us every year.
 
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Thing is, it's not like we had a choice between those 4 forwards and Hellebuck or Makar or someone of that ilk. If you let go of Marner then you can afford a Pesce plus a Domi in free agency. Are we better off in that scenario, trading in a dollar for four quarters?

If you want to see a four quarters scenario, look at what Lou has put together in New York. Just a whole lotta $5 mil/season players, and not even a Vezina-level goalie can pull that team into respectability.


It's a double-edged sword. Our big 4 can win us a series by themselves like they did against TB, but their salaries also leave very little room for error. You need to be smart with the little moves - you can't be giving away bargain contracts for a couple of lesser guys (ie the Kadri trade), you can't be signing/trading backup goalies to $4m deals (Mrazek, Murray), you can't be protecting Holl and letting Mccann get away, you can't keep bleeding draft picks to get out of your own bad signings, etc. And you need to hit on a couple of minimum salary guys - Dubas was terrible at this too, Mickey and Bunting aside.

This is where I think Dubas failed us. It's not so much the big 4 (well, 3) contracts as those guys mostly lived up to their salaries - it's all the peripheral stuff that he'd done that had little to do with money that robbed us of depth and cost us every year.

To be fair if the Islanders were spending almost 20 mil on two actual elite first liners instead of Barzal and Horvat their cap model could work. Especially if those 5 mil guys were younger and better instead of guys who signed at 30 with a lot of miles on them.

Barbashev-Eichel-Marchessault
xxx-Stephenson-Stone
xxx-Karlsson-xxx

Is roughly the same spend as

Lee-Barzal-Palmieri
xxx-Horvat-Nelson
xxx-Pageau-xxx

And they’re in completely different leagues on the ice
 
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To be fair if the Islanders were spending almost 20 mil on two actual elite first liners instead of Barzal and Horvat their cap model could work. Especially if those 5 mil guys were younger and better instead of guys who signed at 30 with a lot of miles on them.

Barbashev-Eichel-Marchessault
xxx-Stephenson-Stone
xxx-Karlsson-xxx

Is roughly the same spend as

Lee-Barzal-Palmieri
xxx-Horvat-Nelson
xxx-Pageau-xxx

And they’re in completely different leagues on the ice

I think Vegas is actually a nice example. They went to the finals in their inaugural season on the back of a roster full of $3-5 mil guys and a star goalie. (Not too dissimilar from the Islanders actually). But instead of doubling-down on that strategy, they realized that their run was a fluke and spent the next several years star hunting. Stone, Eichel, Peter&Angelo. And they're still at it - picking up Hertl.

There's a smart franchise showing you that a dollar is better than 4 quarters.
 
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Thing is, it's not like we had a choice between those 4 forwards and Hellebuck or Makar or someone of that ilk. If you let go of Marner then you can afford a Pesce plus a Domi in free agency. Are we better off in that scenario, trading in a dollar for four quarters?

Off the top of my head, Alex Pietrangelo, Dougie Hamilton, and Adam Larsson could have all been signed to seriously improve the blueline.

If you want to see a four quarters scenario, look at what Lou has put together in New York. Just a whole lotta $5 mil/season players, and not even a Vezina-level goalie can pull that team into respectability.

Making the semis twice
It's a double-edged sword. Our big 4 can win us a series by themselves like they did against TB, but their salaries also leave very little room for error. You need to be smart with the little moves - you can't be giving away bargain contracts for a couple of lesser guys (ie the Kadri trade), you can't be signing/trading backup goalies to $4m deals (Mrazek, Murray), you can't be protecting Holl and letting Mccann get away, you can't keep bleeding draft picks to get out of your own bad signings, etc. And you need to hit on a couple of minimum salary guys - Dubas was terrible at this too, Mickey and Bunting aside.

This is where I think Dubas failed us. It's not so much the big 4 (well, 3) contracts as those guys mostly lived up to their salaries - it's all the peripheral stuff that he'd done that had little to do with money that robbed us of depth and cost us every year.

Thing is, it's not like we had a choice between those 4 forwards and Hellebuck or Makar or someone of that ilk. If you let go of Marner then you can afford a Pesce plus a Domi in free agency. Are we better off in that scenario, trading in a dollar for four quarters?

I wouldn’t call Pietrangelo or Hamilton quarters.

If you want to see a four quarters scenario, look at what Lou has put together in New York. Just a whole lotta $5 mil/season players, and not even a Vezina-level goalie can pull that team into respectability.

Have they won more or fewer playoff series?

It's a double-edged sword. Our big 4 can win us a series by themselves like they did against TB, but their salaries also leave very little room for error. You need to be smart with the little moves - you can't be giving away bargain contracts for a couple of lesser guys (ie the Kadri trade), you can't be signing/trading backup goalies to $4m deals (Mrazek, Murray), you can't be protecting Holl and letting Mccann get away, you can't keep bleeding draft picks to get out of your own bad signings, etc. And you need to hit on a couple of minimum salary guys - Dubas was terrible at this too, Mickey and Bunting aside.

This is where I think Dubas failed us. It's not so much the big 4 (well, 3) contracts as those guys mostly lived up to their salaries - it's all the peripheral stuff that he'd done that had little to do with money that robbed us of depth and cost us every year.

It’s both.

Bad cap management to build around 4 forwards. That made it harder to surround them.
 
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Imo you're overestimating the impact that caprises have on support player contracts. The high end guys tend to adjust immediately, but bottom of the lineup deals take longer to adjust/reflect the changes.

I disagree.

How many "high end" guys are up for contracts this year? We had Matthews, Nylander who are now locked up.

The only guys bordering on "star calibre" that remain unsigned are Jake Guentzel, Sam Reinhart, Noah Hanifin, and Filip Hronek (RFA). Pushing it, maybe you're into a Brady Skjei & Brett Pesce.

The reality is, everyone is going to have that extra $4m, and will be able to spend it improving their depth, so long as they limit the term to not interfere with their star players whenever those stars come up for contract.
 
Off the top of my head, Alex Pietrangelo, Dougie Hamilton, and Adam Larsson could have all been signed to seriously improve the blueline.



Making the semis twice




I wouldn’t call Pietrangelo or Hamilton quarters.



Have they won more or fewer playoff series?



It’s both.

Bad cap management to build around 4 forwards. That made it harder to surround them.

First of all, Larsson has a 4 mil caphit. We didn't miss out on him because of what our top 4 are paid. He was also an expansion pick, not a UFA.

Secondly, Dougie Hamilton has got to be the most overrated dman in the league. Somehow both soft and injury prone, and is overpaid at 9m. Give me Marner or Nylander over him anyday.

Pietarangelo would have been great, no question, but Vegas is a more attractive destination than Toronto, the guy wanted to play there, so simply assuming we would have been able to sign him if not for the cap room is rather baseless.

No, odds are we would have signed a lesser dman, like an Orlov. Would that make us more balanced - sure. Would it make us better to replace Marner/Nylander with an Orlov + whatever forward an extra 3mil in cap room could buy? I doubt it.
 
I wouldn’t call Pietrangelo or Hamilton quarters.
Nor is Theodore, and this is where the debate loses a lot of substance for me if you compare it to the most recent SC teams.

More than any other sport, 4 quarters are more effective than a dollar in hockey, particularly if you've already got a twoonie and a loonie as well. To expand upon the analogy.

All those other teams have spread the money out over multiple positions and signed their big guys to better deals, enabling them to fit the pieces better around them, which hasn't been the case here.
 
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First of all, Larsson has a 4 mil caphit. We didn't miss out on him because of what our top 4 are paid. He was also an expansion pick, not a UFA.

Secondly, Dougie Hamilton has got to be the most overrated dman in the league. Somehow both soft and injury prone, and is overpaid at 9m. Give me Marner or Nylander over him anyday.

Pietarangelo would have been great, no question, but Vegas is a more attractive destination than Toronto, the guy wanted to play there, so simply assuming we would have been able to sign him if not for the cap room is rather baseless.

No, odds are we would have signed a lesser dman, like an Orlov. Would that make us more balanced - sure. Would it make us better to replace Marner/Nylander with an Orlov + whatever forward an extra 3mil in cap room could buy? I doubt it.

The only thing we know for sure is the current set up doesn’t work. A different one may not be any better, but it’s worth the risk when you have so little to lose.
 
The only thing we know for sure is the current set up doesn’t work. A different one may not be any better, but it’s worth the risk when you have so little to lose.
It hasn't so far, but then we are just about to have another playoff adventure. Maybe it doesn't work, maybe it does.... We might be sceptical, but at this point in time, it's best to see who works that we have, and what doesn't work... what needs improvement etc.

At this time of year, it's best to wait and see what works in the playoffs, before deciding what wholesale changes are necessary.
 
The only thing we know for sure is the current set up doesn’t work. A different one may not be any better, but it’s worth the risk when you have so little to lose.

Disagree entirely. Yes, we haven't won, but it hasn't necessarily been for the lack of production from our big 4. As shown in the TB example, we've lost even when our big 4 produced to expectations simply because the other team's cheap depth players came through when ours didn't.

Thus the proposed solution to part with the aspect that has worked just makes no sense. The idea that we have "so little to lose" is also not true - Marner for example has another half decade at least of his prime. That's what we'd be losing if we trade him in for a few quarters like Pesce.

Instead of trying to dismantle the things that have worked, how about focusing on the things we've been lacking? We've lacked scoring depth - Tre has addressed this. We've lacked physicality - he's addressed this too. We've also been outcoached, and haven't had a world-class #1 goalie who could steal us a series since Eddie. I'd prefer it if we focus on addressing these actual problems rather than breaking the parts that have worked for the sake of change.
 
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Disagree entirely. Yes, we haven't won, but it hasn't necessarily been for the lack of production from our big 4. As shown in the TB example, we've lost even when our big 4 produced to expectations simply because the other team's cheap depth players came through when ours didn't.

Thus the proposed solution to part with the aspect that has worked just makes no sense. The idea that we have "so little to lose" is also not true - Marner for example has another half decade at least of his prime. That's what we'd be losing if we trade him in for a few quarters like Pesce.

Instead of trying to dismantle the things that have worked, how about focusing on the things we've been lacking? We've lacked scoring depth - Tre has addressed this. We've lacked physicality - he's addressed this too. We've also been outcoached, and haven't had a world-class #1 goalie who could steal us a series since Eddie. I'd prefer it if we focus on addressing these actual problems rather than breaking the parts that have worked for the sake of change.

Fully agree with this. I believe changing the coach and other assistants would bring a different outlook to this defense. That in turn would make for a better Sammy or Woll.
 
Disagree entirely. Yes, we haven't won, but it hasn't necessarily been for the lack of production from our big 4. As shown in the TB example, we've lost even when our big 4 produced to expectations simply because the other team's cheap depth players came through when ours didn't.
That TB example seems like cherry-picking; @Fogelhund made another post with their production that painted a much less pretty picture. Anecdotally, from the CBJ and MTL series', they were not particularly good. In the CBJ play-in, they were shut out twice and struggled to get any even-strength production in the last few games.

But it almost does prove the point: you can't out-score your problems in the playoffs, and due to the salary cap, what the big boys make is intrinsically linked to what the GM is able to surround them with.

Thus the proposed solution to part with the aspect that has worked just makes no sense. The idea that we have "so little to lose" is also not true - Marner for example has another half decade at least of his prime. That's what we'd be losing if we trade him in for a few quarters like Pesce.
Why would you trade him for a UFA? Pesce (or whichever UFA) would be in addition to what you would receive for Marner in a trade.

Also, this is quite a big discredit to a very good player who happens to be a defensive player. Which wouldn't hurt around here.

Instead of trying to dismantle the things that have worked, how about focusing on the things we've been lacking? We've lacked scoring depth - Tre has addressed this. We've lacked physicality - he's addressed this too. We've also been outcoached, and haven't had a world-class #1 goalie who could steal us a series since Eddie. I'd prefer it if we focus on addressing these actual problems rather than breaking the parts that have worked for the sake of change.
They haven't. Lighting it up in the regular season is nice and all, but if it has ended pretty much the same way since 2018, what is it for? Going back to the top, you can't outscore all your problems in the playoffs.

What they are actually lacking has been there almost from the start, a combination of poor cap management, faulty roster construction, as well as now the trading of most of the attractive assets.

So, how do you get this #1 goalie if there are few assets or cap space once you've cobbled together a 20ish man roster?
 
Disagree entirely. Yes, we haven't won, but it hasn't necessarily been for the lack of production from our big 4. As shown in the TB example, we've lost even when our big 4 produced to expectations simply because the other team's cheap depth players came through when ours didn't.

I don’t care who scores, I just want to team to win. The current setup can’t win when it matters most.

Thus the proposed solution to part with the aspect that has worked just makes no sense. The idea that we have "so little to lose" is also not true - Marner for example has another half decade at least of his prime. That's what we'd be losing if we trade him in for a few quarters like Pesce.

Building a team is like filling a toolbox. The most expensive wrench in the world doesn’t help you when you need a keyhole saw.

Instead of trying to dismantle the things that have worked, how about focusing on the things we've been lacking? We've lacked scoring depth - Tre has addressed this. We've lacked physicality - he's addressed this too. We've also been outcoached, and haven't had a world-class #1 goalie who could steal us a series since Eddie. I'd prefer it if we focus on addressing these actual problems rather than breaking the parts that have worked for the sake of change.

There is a salary cap. We can’t just add and add and add. In order to spend more on defense, we need to spend less on forwards. That’s the simple reality.
 
I love the analogy that a dollar is better than 4 quarters. In practice though its:
$1.50
$1.75

And that makeup didn't work as a dollar, it won't work as $1.75
 
That TB example seems like cherry-picking; @Fogelhund made another post with their production that painted a much less pretty picture. Anecdotally, from the CBJ and MTL series', they were not particularly good. In the CBJ play-in, they were shut out twice and struggled to get any even-strength production in the last few games.

But it almost does prove the point: you can't out-score your problems in the playoffs, and due to the salary cap, what the big boys make is intrinsically linked to what the GM is able to surround them with.


Why would you trade him for a UFA? Pesce (or whichever UFA) would be in addition to what you would receive for Marner in a trade.

Also, this is quite a big discredit to a very good player who happens to be a defensive player. Which wouldn't hurt around here.


They haven't. Lighting it up in the regular season is nice and all, but if it has ended pretty much the same way since 2018, what is it for? Going back to the top, you can't outscore all your problems in the playoffs.

What they are actually lacking has been there almost from the start, a combination of poor cap management, faulty roster construction, as well as now the trading of most of the attractive assets.

So, how do you get this #1 goalie if there are few assets or cap space once you've cobbled together a 20ish man roster?

CBJ we were just awful all-around. Dubas gave up on that team early. MTL series, our 11m forward got knocked out right away and Price, one of the all-time greats, stole that series. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that one other than it's nice to have a hall of fame level goalie...and maybe also a couple of big butchers on D wouldn't hurt.

Not sure what you mean by cherry-picking. Playoffs are small sample size, any example we draw can be misconstrued as cherry-picking. Our top guys came through in both TB series, but not in the Florida series, yes. Our depth guys did not show up in any series however, and that's the crux of the issue. If we go back to the Florida series, no star player on either team stood out - it was a physical grindfest with Bob suddenly rediscovering his Vezina form.

Our cap management hasn't been great, but it hasn't been that bad. But the biggest mistakes weren't giving Marner or Matthews 11, they were giving Murray/Mrazek 4, Kerfoot 3.5, Holl 2.5, etc. All of these guys should have been near league minimum players.

We wouldn't trade Marner for Pesce - we'd trade Marner for cap spend on defense presumably. Pesce was just one example of what we can get with that cap. Hanifin would be another, though we'd have to overpay to get him to Canada. In any of these scenarios, I think we're worse-off without Marner.

Finally, getting that #1 goalie isn't an issue of cap, it's an issue of availability. Those guys don't show up on the market too often. Saros was apparently out there briefly, maybe he'll be available in the off-season. How do we afford him? Well, he has a smaller cap hit than Bertuzzi. Markstrom and Ullmark would be the other options - their cap hits are in the same range as well.
 
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