Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Menzinger]

Evolving Wilds model projects 8.5 mil in free agency for Hamilton

 

[Dreakmur]

he gets slightly more Ozone starts than D zone ones. Rielly got more sheltered deployment this season interestingly enough

I was referring more to competition. He’s on the second pair, and the first pair would get all the toughest assignments.

 

[Rare Jewel]

he gets slightly more Ozone starts than D zone ones. Rielly got more sheltered deployment this season interestingly enough

That doesn't really give you the right kind of picture because 2nd and 3rd liners still do get OZS. Tactically or logically Brind'Amour likely gives the heavier match ups to Slavin and Pesce.

 

[ToneDog]

Evolving Wilds model projects 8.5 mil in free agency for Hamilton

I like Hamilton except that he is as soft as Rielly and Brodie and we can't afford him at that cap hit (we could not afford Petro at that number IMO).

 

[TheBigFour]

i would think that if leafs sign Hamilton, rielly is definitely traded in seperate deal or part of the carolina sign trade deal which could have others parts included.
would love to add warren foegele.

 

[Menzinger]

I was referring more to competition. He’s on the second pair, and the first pair would get all the toughest assignments.

That doesn't really give you the right kind of picture because 2nd and 3rd liners still do get OZS. Tactically or logically Brind'Amour likely gives the heavier match ups to Slavin and Pesce.

Its definitely accurate to say he wasn't on their shutndown pair. BUT it's not as if he was being completely kept away from tougher matchups either.

If the Leafs were to add him Id.suspect they'd still use the Muzzin unit to handle the tougher defensive minutes

 

[Cor]

I highly doubt we are the team for Dougie Hamilton.

 

[Stephen]

I wouldn't be sure that Rielly out, Hamilton in is that much of a change. Particularly if you're adding $3m for one player.

Rielly is due for a raise so time is running out on that $5 million price tag. If we choose to use it next year we walk him straight to free agency at which point you’re probably paying him anyway or we’re left with no Rielly, no prospect and picks back and no Hamilton. Death by own rental.

My first preference would be to dump Muzzin before he goes off a cliff and then pay Rielly’s raise through the Kessel cap coming off the books and a little sweetener to get up to about $7 million.

But generally I want us to be very proactive in trading out and aggressively spending UFA dollars to remake the team.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Its definitely accurate to say he wasn't on their shutndown pair. BUT it's not as if he was being completely kept away from tougher matchups either.

If the Leafs were to add him Id.suspect they'd still use the Muzzin unit to handle the tougher defensive minutes

For between $8m-$9m should that be necessary or an issue? The teams cap allocation is already in question, further adding to that probably shouldn't be pursued.

 

[613Leafer]

I like Hamilton except that he is as soft as Rielly and Brodie and we can't afford him at that cap hit (we could not afford Petro at that number IMO).

The way I look at it, for as much I like Rielly, he'd only be the #1 dman on 2 Stanley Cup winning teams in the salary cap era. Getting an upgrade there is almost a requirement to winning the Cup.

Hamilton, even if not crushingly physical, can still handle bigger bodied players better, has better reach, and has the point shot that could substantially improve our PP by creating another legit threat and opening things up more for Matthews & co.

So if we can find a way to add a dman like Hamilton, who would be the best leafs dman in 30+ years, you do it.

You can win a Cup with Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander as your top 3 forwards. If it means we can add Hamilton, I'd be shipping Marner and Rielly off. Way better cap balanced team, way better depth, and it should add some high quality picks/prospects (in addition to pieces that can help right away + capspace that can help right away) to help us sustain the contending window longterm.

 

[ToneDog]

i would think that if leafs sign Hamilton, rielly is definitely traded in seperate deal or part of the carolina sign trade deal which could have others parts included.
would love to add warren foegele.

I think we should trade Rielly to Carolina irrespective of signing Hamilton. We could sign Oleksiak, Larsson, Vatanen or Mike Reilly much cheaper and add some quality up front with the cap savings and assets from Rielly trade.

 

[Cor]

I wonder what an Evander Kane trade looks like.

 

[ToneDog]

The way I look at it, for as much I like Rielly, he'd only be the #1 dman on 2 Stanley Cup winning teams in the salary cap era. Getting an upgrade there is almost a requirement to winning the Cup.

Hamilton, even if not crushingly physical, can still handle bigger bodied players better, has better reach, and has the point shot that could substantially improve our PP by creating another legit threat and opening things up more for Matthews & co.

So if we can find a way to add a dman like Hamilton, who would be the best leafs dman in 30+ years, you do it.

You can win a Cup with Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander as your top 3 forwards. If it means we can add Hamilton, I'd be shipping Marner and Rielly off. Way better cap balanced team, way better depth, and it should add some high quality picks/prospects (in addition to pieces that can help right away + capspace that can help right away) to help us sustain the contending window longterm.

Oh I agree but at that money, we didn't even give Petro a serious sniff. Now if we could move Marner and open cap space, sure but Dubas says he is not.

If I could trade Marner:

Sign Hamilton (8x7??) and trade Rielly
Sign Hall (5x3??) and trade Marner

That is how you upgrade your team when you have nothing in the pipeline close other than Robbie and Sandy.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Rielly is due for a raise so time is running out on that $5 million price tag. If we choose to use it next year we walk him straight to free agency at which point you’re probably paying him anyway or we’re left with no Rielly, no prospect and picks back and no Hamilton. Death by own rental.

My first preference would be to dump Muzzin before he goes off a cliff and then pay Rielly’s raise through the Kessel cap coming off the books and a little sweetener to get up to about $7 million.

But generally I want us to be very proactive in trading out and aggressively spending UFA dollars to remake the team.

I get what you're saying, but there's still two seasons left on his deal at still at a good number. I wouldn't move him myself.

I agree on Muzzin though. That should at least be looked at, but with a NTC it makes it more difficult.

 

[ER89]

Evolving Wilds model projects 8.5 mil in free agency for Hamilton

Rielly+Hyman or Hamilton+Goodrow.

I think those come in both ~10.5-11.5 total. Take your pick I guess?

 

[ER89]

Oh I agree but at that money, we didn't even give Petro a serious sniff. Now if we could move Marner and open cap space, sure but Dubas says he is not.

If I could trade Marner:

Sign Hamilton (8x7??) and trade Rielly
Sign Hall (5x3??) and trade Marner

That is how you upgrade your team when you have nothing in the pipeline close other than Robbie and Sandy.

In this stupid world where marner stays (ugh) what about trading rielly, even though I think he is solid and I like him, and not signing hyman? Should open up ~10ish million right there. You bring on Dougie, and this allows you to trade one of dermott /holl with kerfoot being picked up by vegas. All those should give you some room for a goodrow+ another player or a coleman no?

Like there's gotta be something available that dubas knows to be this smug about his plan. Like he isn't a complete idiot. I know he hasn't had success but this isn't benning we are talking about. Will be interesting to say the least!

 

[613Leafer]

I get what you're saying, but there's still two seasons left on his deal at still at a good number. I wouldn't move him myself.

I agree on Muzzin though. That should at least be looked at, but with a NTC it makes it more difficult.

This offseason is our last chance to move Rielly for value. He's a UFA after next season.

The "two" years you're probably seeing on cap friendly includes the 2020-2021 season.

 

[ToneDog]

In this stupid world where marner stays (ugh) what about trading rielly, even though I think he is solid and I like him, and not signing hyman? Should open up ~10ish million right there. You bring on Dougie, and this allows you to trade one of dermott /holl with kerfoot being picked up by vegas. All those should give you some room for a goodrow+ another player or a coleman no?

Like there's gotta be something available that dubas knows to be this smug about his plan. Like he isn't a complete idiot. I know he hasn't had success but this isn't benning we are talking about. Will be interesting to say the least!

I have been saying sign Hamilton and trade Rielly for weeks but if you do it and keep Marner, you now have 4 forwards and 1 dman taking up 60% of your cap leaving you with around 32m for the rest of the roster. I'd tread carefully.

 

[ToneDog]

This offseason is our last chance to move Rielly for value. He's a UFA after next season.

The "two" years you're probably seeing on cap friendly includes the 2020-2021 season.

Unless you can resign him to a favorable number, you gotta move him. I bet that will be Dubas' chip to clear cap space and go UFA shopping.

 

[Stephen]

I get what you're saying, but there's still two seasons left on his deal at still at a good number. I wouldn't move him myself.

I agree on Muzzin though. That should at least be looked at, but with a NTC it makes it more difficult.

Actually, the runway on Rielly is only next year. That’s why management needs to make a decision.

 

[Rare Jewel]

This offseason is our last chance to move Rielly for value. He's a UFA after next season.

The "two" years you're probably seeing on cap friendly includes the 2020-2021 season.

Yep.

I'd still look to keep him past it though.

 

[ER89]

I have been saying sign Hamilton and trade Rielly for weeks but if you do it and keep Marner, you now have 4 forwards and 1 dman taking up 60% of your cap leaving you with around 32m for the rest of the roster. I'd tread carefully.

I mean we might as well embrace it fully no?

 

[mydnyte]

Hamilton will get 8 from somebody. Comparable to Brent Burns when he got 8×8.

nobody save NJD has the cap space to add that ...and he's not worth that.

 

[mydnyte]

Oh I agree but at that money, we didn't even give Petro a serious sniff. Now if we could move Marner and open cap space, sure but Dubas says he is not.

If I could trade Marner:

Sign Hamilton (8x7??) and trade Rielly
Sign Hall (5x3??) and trade Marner

That is how you upgrade your team when you have nothing in the pipeline close other than Robbie and Sandy.

if we sign Hamilton for 8, rather than offer that to Pietro last year, I'd be super PO'd

 

[Rielly4]

The thing is next years UFA D men class is very stacked, so even if we did lose Rielly to free agency we would likely have many options as to replacing him. That being said I doubt management will struggle to re-sign him. Sandin being top PP could change things though, could force us to go for a more defensive dman than Rielly.