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Anyone else worried about our Centre depth, especially if we lose Kerfoot to Seattle?
SHANNYPLAN
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LEAFS - COYOTES
Christian Fischer & Lawson Crouse
for
Travis Dermott & Ilya Mikheyev
LEAFS - CANUCKS
JT Miller
for
Morgan Rielly
LEAFS - KINGS
Pierre Engvall
for
Brendan Lemieux @ 500k Ret
FREE AGENCY
Kerfoot --> Seattle*
Dougie Hamilton 7 x 7
Barclay Goodrow 3 x 1.75
Jason Spezza 1 x 750 k
Zack Bogosian 1 x 1.25
Rittich/Driedger 1/2 x 1.65
Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Goodrow - Miller - Fischer
Lemieux - Brooks - Spezza
Brodie - Hamilton
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Bogosian
Campbell
POWERPLAY
Miller
Nylander - Spezza - Matthews
Hamilton
Crouse/Fischer/Goodrow
Marner - Tavares - Robertson
Sandin
Christian Fischer & Lawson Crouse
for
Travis Dermott & Ilya Mikheyev
LEAFS - CANUCKS
JT Miller
for
Morgan Rielly
LEAFS - KINGS
Pierre Engvall
for
Brendan Lemieux @ 500k Ret
FREE AGENCY
Kerfoot --> Seattle*
Dougie Hamilton 7 x 7
Barclay Goodrow 3 x 1.75
Jason Spezza 1 x 750 k
Zack Bogosian 1 x 1.25
Rittich/Driedger 1/2 x 1.65
Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Goodrow - Miller - Fischer
Lemieux - Brooks - Spezza
Brodie - Hamilton
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Bogosian
Campbell
POWERPLAY
Miller
Nylander - Spezza - Matthews
Hamilton
Crouse/Fischer/Goodrow
Marner - Tavares - Robertson
Sandin
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SeaOfBlue
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Semyonov too. 60.6% on almost 1000 draws in the KHL this past year. Not sure he will be anything fancy on a 4th line or anything but it's nice to have a guy who can at least be trusted on a PK (at least to take draws like Spezza does), put in an honest two-way effort, and to win some timely draws. Worst case, we just use Brooks or turn to Spezza as the full time 4C and put Anderson or one of our many other depth options on the 4th line instead.
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What's most important to me is that they bring ingredients to the team.
Matthews, JT, 88 don't PK
I don't particularly want Mikhayev back, or Hyman for that matter. Spezza might take a draw but he's not a real PK guy. Our special teams have been a weakness, so important that whoever comes in can give us those qualities.
31 Thoughts article is out.
Nothing relating to the Leafs.
No leaks on our end lol.
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31 Thoughts article is out.
Nothing relating to the Leafs.
Any 40 year old UFA's on the market?
With dealing Marner you have 2 ideologies
1. star for star - Eichel for Marner, Kane for Marner, Jones for Marner those type of deals
2. Then you have quantity vs quality
I would lean to #2. On the mainboard, they had a Marner for Kane and it was lukewarm at best then some Hawks fan posted a Pius Suter, Kubilik and Connor Murphy for Marner which was poo-pooed by leaf fans.
If might look at that deal if they took out Murphy and put in Alex Nylander.
You lose Marner at 10.9 and will say 100 points a year
You get Kubalik s 30 goals and 46 points 3.7 mil RFA 2022
Suter 20 goals and 40 points .950 mil RFA 2021
Nylander 13 goals and 30 points .836 mil RFA 2021
Those numbers are based on career stuff but would be better on the Leafs.
A couple of things you would get all 3 lower than 6 million and have 116 points injecting into the lineup to replace Marner's 100 points a year. You open up about 5 million in salary to resign Hyman and give some of that to Reilly for his extension
Now you have Freddy $5 million, Kerfoot 3.5 (gone to Sea)which you can move as you can slot Suter into 3rd line C. That is 8.5 mil to fill 1 top 6 wingers (if Roberston doesn't slot up there) and reconfigure the rest of your 3rd line and 4th lines plus sign your RFA's. Around 8.5 million in flat cap could go a long way.
Nylander - Matthews - Nylander
Roberston - Tavares - Kubalik
Hyman - Suter - XXX
Spezza - Brooks - Mik
Brodie - Reilly
Holl(or upgrade) - Muzzin
Dermott - Sandin
Bogoisian
Campbell
co-tandem goalie
If dealing Marner is the thing that shakes up the core then there is options for sure.
1. star for star - Eichel for Marner, Kane for Marner, Jones for Marner those type of deals
2. Then you have quantity vs quality
I would lean to #2. On the mainboard, they had a Marner for Kane and it was lukewarm at best then some Hawks fan posted a Pius Suter, Kubilik and Connor Murphy for Marner which was poo-pooed by leaf fans.
If might look at that deal if they took out Murphy and put in Alex Nylander.
You lose Marner at 10.9 and will say 100 points a year
You get Kubalik s 30 goals and 46 points 3.7 mil RFA 2022
Suter 20 goals and 40 points .950 mil RFA 2021
Nylander 13 goals and 30 points .836 mil RFA 2021
Those numbers are based on career stuff but would be better on the Leafs.
A couple of things you would get all 3 lower than 6 million and have 116 points injecting into the lineup to replace Marner's 100 points a year. You open up about 5 million in salary to resign Hyman and give some of that to Reilly for his extension
Now you have Freddy $5 million, Kerfoot 3.5 (gone to Sea)which you can move as you can slot Suter into 3rd line C. That is 8.5 mil to fill 1 top 6 wingers (if Roberston doesn't slot up there) and reconfigure the rest of your 3rd line and 4th lines plus sign your RFA's. Around 8.5 million in flat cap could go a long way.
Nylander - Matthews - Nylander
Roberston - Tavares - Kubalik
Hyman - Suter - XXX
Spezza - Brooks - Mik
Brodie - Reilly
Holl(or upgrade) - Muzzin
Dermott - Sandin
Bogoisian
Campbell
co-tandem goalie
If dealing Marner is the thing that shakes up the core then there is options for sure.
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Why don't you want Mikheyev back when he is one of the better guys in the league at PK? Especially when you are concerned about said PK. Maybe he is not a long term commitment or anything, but he is making 1.6 mill and can at least be a high quality 4th liner. I doubt you find better in UFA for the same money.
We are on the same page. I think everyone needs to fill some kind of role effectively.
Mikheyev - shutdown and PK specialist. Someone you can just put in your own end and use to break out because he can blow past people, and does not give up much even if he is not scoring a ton either.
Semyonov - faceoff and PK specialist. Just get him to take draws and get off, or use him as a 5th PKer. If he can kill 10-11 minutes a game without giving up much, and occasionally pots a few at the other end, we have a perfect 4th liner making near league minimum. If not, then look at Brooks to do the same.
Spezza - faceoff and PP/PK specialist. Same as Semyonov, except he is right-handed and more offensive than defensive.
Not saying this should be the lineup, but just take a look at this lineup for example:
Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Bunting/Galchenyuk - Tavares - Nylander
Goodrow - Haula - Granlund
Mikheyev - Semyonov - Spezza
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Cole - Liljegren
PP: Hyman, Matthews, Marner, Bunting/Galchenyuk, Tavares, Nylander, Granlund, Spezza, Rielly, Liljegren
PK forwards: Hyman, Marner, Mikheyev, Goodrow + Haula/Semyonov/Spezza for draws/#5 PKer
PK defense: Muzzin, Holl, Cole, Brodie + Rielly/Liljegren for #5 PKer.
EN: Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Rielly, Spezza/Granlund/Bunting/Galchenyuk/Hyman (depending on the look you want).
Other than Haula and Semyonov (who still could take draws on the PK or even replace Hyman/Marner on the PK altogether), every single guy in that lineup plays some kind of important special teams role with Hyman and Marner being the only duplicates. The Leafs should be able to roll all of their lines and only need to stack up on the big 4 when they need a goal.
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Any 40 year old UFA's on the market?
Ryan Getzlaf is a UFA. But he’s already won a cup so I doubt he’d ever come here under some delusion that this team can win anything.
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The second series of 0 pts for us. Can't have a guy giving you literally zero offense for the $$ he gets with the way we're top heavy.
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SIMMONS: There's much more to an NHL GM's job than signing players | Toronto Sun
WILL LEAFS, PERRY FINALLY HOOK UP?
Corey Perry and the Maple Leafs have been doing this out-of-step dance for the past couple of years now, never, it seems, with both sides in sync at the very same time.
The Leafs wanted to sign the veteran Perry after he was bought out by the Anaheim Ducks following the 2019 NHL season. That was the plan. And that was Perry’s first choice, too, being a kid from Peterborough, to leave California and wind up in Toronto.
It just didn’t work out that way, much as both sides had an interest. The Leafs could only pay so much for Perry: Dallas, at the time, offered an incentive-laden deal for the rugged winger and former Hart Trophy winner, who ended up in the Stanley Cup final and wound up getting paid almost $3 million in the process by the Stars.
Fast forward to this past off-season, with the Leafs bringing back an oldtimer in Jason Spezza and signing another oldtimer, Joe Thornton, each of them for $700,000. At the time of those signings, Perry was still waiting for a call. And at the time, the Montreal Canadiens were looking to spend more than the Leafs on free agent Wayne Simmonds.
The Leafs wound up signing Simmonds for $1.5 million on October 9. Seven weeks after that deal, Montreal signed the then 35-year-old Perry for half the amount Simmonds got.
Perry played a large role in the playoff success of Dallas last summer and fall and has been a strong contributor to the Canadiens through two rounds of the playoffs to date. It wouldn’t be the least bit surprising to see the Leafs take another run at Perry in free agency this summer.
WILL LEAFS, PERRY FINALLY HOOK UP?
Corey Perry and the Maple Leafs have been doing this out-of-step dance for the past couple of years now, never, it seems, with both sides in sync at the very same time.
The Leafs wanted to sign the veteran Perry after he was bought out by the Anaheim Ducks following the 2019 NHL season. That was the plan. And that was Perry’s first choice, too, being a kid from Peterborough, to leave California and wind up in Toronto.
It just didn’t work out that way, much as both sides had an interest. The Leafs could only pay so much for Perry: Dallas, at the time, offered an incentive-laden deal for the rugged winger and former Hart Trophy winner, who ended up in the Stanley Cup final and wound up getting paid almost $3 million in the process by the Stars.
Fast forward to this past off-season, with the Leafs bringing back an oldtimer in Jason Spezza and signing another oldtimer, Joe Thornton, each of them for $700,000. At the time of those signings, Perry was still waiting for a call. And at the time, the Montreal Canadiens were looking to spend more than the Leafs on free agent Wayne Simmonds.
The Leafs wound up signing Simmonds for $1.5 million on October 9. Seven weeks after that deal, Montreal signed the then 35-year-old Perry for half the amount Simmonds got.
Perry played a large role in the playoff success of Dallas last summer and fall and has been a strong contributor to the Canadiens through two rounds of the playoffs to date. It wouldn’t be the least bit surprising to see the Leafs take another run at Perry in free agency this summer.
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I like this lineup. The botton 6 is changed up for the better and the offense improves as well. Defence is solid as well.
Hope it's true
Guy was obviously hurt and is getting a bad rap . He's a leader who plays a heavy game .
He's been kind of underwhelming for a guy that plays 19-20 minutes a night with 60% offensive zone starts. He's a middle six winger playing in an elevated role so unless he comes at that price I step away.
If I was him, I'd want another do-over. His time here was incomplete. Come back and finish what you came to start! (Get past the first round... Lol kidding)
But for real.
I’d be good with that. I wonder if he feels he has unfinished business, doesn’t want that to be his legacy here.
That’s an understated part of the first series loss. I wasn’t just JT’s injury depleting the top 6, NF and ZH’s injuries really limited their effectiveness. That’s 1/2 the top six.
Sigh.
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Just some anonymous guy with like 2-3k followers. I'm not sure it's legitimate but he doesn't tweet rumours or anything so maybe.
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Within the notion that Dubas is still running this team for the 2021-22 season and won't touch the core:
1. I don't know why everyone's worried about losing Kerfoot. I hope they lose Kerfoot instead of a defenseman.
2. Shop Rielly. Losing Rielly to free agency without getting assets in return will send this franchise on an accelerated downward trajectory.
2. If I'm Bogosian, I'd go searching for more money and/or a better chance at playoff success. But if he's willing to re-sign at similar money then absolutely re-sign him. A player with similar attributes should be sourced.
3. I'd move Kerfoot regardless then go about sourcing 3 or 4 mediocre yet competent centers of varying ages. The superstar centers are supposed to carry this team. 3rd and 4th line centers' job is holding the fort in this cap structure. $11M plus $11M plus $1M plus $1M is an above average investment into the center ice position. You'd be surprised how little difference there is between the production of a Kerfoot and some rando center picked off the scrap heap.
4. Get another goalie! And hopefully a longer term solution. Campbell is just as likely to tank as a starter as flourish. Expansion draft summer is good time to source a goalie as many teams are worried about losing their 2nd goalie for nothing. The downside of this is that Campbell might be gonzo in such a scenario because Campbell was hardly the problem in the playoffs.
5. With the team probably losing one of Dermott or Holl plus dealing Rielly, sign a defender for the money Rielly is ticketed to make in 2021-22.
6. Fill in the rest with youth.
1. I don't know why everyone's worried about losing Kerfoot. I hope they lose Kerfoot instead of a defenseman.
2. Shop Rielly. Losing Rielly to free agency without getting assets in return will send this franchise on an accelerated downward trajectory.
2. If I'm Bogosian, I'd go searching for more money and/or a better chance at playoff success. But if he's willing to re-sign at similar money then absolutely re-sign him. A player with similar attributes should be sourced.
3. I'd move Kerfoot regardless then go about sourcing 3 or 4 mediocre yet competent centers of varying ages. The superstar centers are supposed to carry this team. 3rd and 4th line centers' job is holding the fort in this cap structure. $11M plus $11M plus $1M plus $1M is an above average investment into the center ice position. You'd be surprised how little difference there is between the production of a Kerfoot and some rando center picked off the scrap heap.
4. Get another goalie! And hopefully a longer term solution. Campbell is just as likely to tank as a starter as flourish. Expansion draft summer is good time to source a goalie as many teams are worried about losing their 2nd goalie for nothing. The downside of this is that Campbell might be gonzo in such a scenario because Campbell was hardly the problem in the playoffs.
5. With the team probably losing one of Dermott or Holl plus dealing Rielly, sign a defender for the money Rielly is ticketed to make in 2021-22.
6. Fill in the rest with youth.
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