Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Kiwi]

People, Hamilton is reported to be wanting 8M+ on an 8 year deal

On a 7 year deal your probably looking at 8.5M+

If we are keeping the big 4 I don't see how we could sign him at that and even ice a team let alone one with an improved bottom 6

This team looked good defensively, what we need to find are cost controlled Bottom 6ers with speed,some offensive punch and lineup flexibility so one injury doesn't completely screw us

That's what any surplus resources needs to go towards

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Johnton said an American team that's out of playoffs and a player with multiple years left on his deal...Also said it is someone that would excite leafs fans and that we would be keeping the big 4 and Rielly. To me that means it cant be a guy whos too expensive because we wouldn't be able to afford that. And it likely has to be a forward because in this scenario we would be letting Hyman walk to afford this kind of player. I broke it down to Dvorak, Konecny and Meier.

Never thought I would say this, but if Toews' career is over, it could legitimately be Kane, who checks all of CJ's criteria. Leafs could take Kane at 50%, plus Toews whole contact to put on LTIR, and Chicago comes out about 7M ahead in terms of real money even with the retention*. Cap would presumably matter less to them for 2 years while they rebuild.

I'll leave it to everyone to decide for themselves what Kane would cost. Suffice to say it would truly be going all in, but these type of deals usually end up costing less than what people expect.

*Both have 14M left in real dollars. Leafs taking 14M of Toews while Chicago retains 7M of Kane would put Chicago up 7M even with retention. (They save 21M in total is another way to look at it, but I saw this as less valid, because any team can lower their payroll by trading good players.)

 

[Donnie740]

Carolina seems ambivalent about keeping Dougie Hamilton as they move into their offseason.

Kinda like Boston felt about him. Kinda like his Calgary felt about him too.

Three years in Boston then out the door. Three years in Calgary then out the door. Three years in Carolina and now what?

Dougie Hamilton is laughably overrated. Whatever team gets duped into blowing $8m on him is making a disastrous mistake.

Mind boggling that some people here are pushing hard for the Leafs to get rid of Rielly and sign Hamilton.

Nit only will Rielly cost less money, he’s also a better defenceman than Hamilton.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Keefe was NOT favored to win vs Columbus, they had the same record as us, and were our worst possible matchup.
MTL loss is valid (yet required losing their Captain, and best defensive dman), but, so is his resume for his age is just as if not more impressive, and also has an AHL championship win
I do believe he mismanaged the team by leaving Hyman on the top line and not mixing it up and not having them ready.

These were all easy to find.

Spoiler alert: You need to beat good teams to win a cup instead of making excuses every year in the 1st round.

 

[Rielly4]

Never thought I would say this, but if Toews' career is over, it could legitimately be Kane, who checks all of CJ's criteria. Leafs could take Kane at 50%, plus Toews whole contact to put on LTIR, and Chicago comes out about 7M ahead in terms of real money even with the retention*. Cap would presumably matter less to them for 2 years while they rebuild.

I'll leave it to everyone to decide for themselves what Kane would cost. Suffice to say it would truly be going all in, but these type of deals usually end up costing less than what people expect.

*Both have 14M left in real dollars. Leafs taking 14M of Toews while Chicago retains 7M of Kane would put Chicago up 7M even with retention. (They save 21M in total is another way to look at it, but I saw this as less valid, because any team can lower their payroll by trading good players.)

If Chicago retains 50% its possible but thats a big if

 

[showtime8]

I think (myself included) we will regret trading Marner if we do.

I also don’t think the caps gonna be flat for 5 years esp with the ESPN/TNT deal.

A lot of it will depend on the value we get in return, but I would tend to agree with you.

Because the playoff loss is so recent, we're still looking for solutions when we can't really get any for another month.

In terms of losing Marner as a player, he provides a little bit of everything to the roster. He kills penalties, puts up points and is one of the leaders on the team. Yeah, I get that doesn't mean much right now, but it is important when facing the media in a place like Toronto. So if you're the Leafs, you're looking to fill all of those spots with several different players if you decide to trade him.

 

[4thline]

Trying to find someone that fits the CJ description that is also an easy cap fit is a tough slog. Discounting ELC's, need to have at least 2 yrs remaining on current contract, be on a US team that missed the playoffs:

<3m -Troy Terry, Sean Walker, Oskar Lindblom, Vladislav Gavrikov, Tage Thompson - some good, higher upside buy low names, but nothing really that "excites"
3-4m - Roope Hintz, Radek Faksa, Collin Miller, Will Butcher- Hintz stands alone as exciting, Faksa as solid, others nah
4-5m -Chychrun, Dvorak, Klingberg, Lebanc, Severson - now we're talking, but these are big trades, that either need retention or money going back, not to mention acquisition high cost
5-6m- Atkinson, Konecny, Schmaltz, Meier, Henrique, Silvferberg, Lindell - As above

I don't see how we can go any higher than that without touching the big 4 up front, and don't see how we could fit anyone from the bottom lists without 50% retention or Rielly/Muzzin/Brodie going the other way

 

[Mickey Marner]

People, Hamilton is reported to be wanting 8M+ on an 8 year deal

On a 7 year deal your probably looking at 8.5M+

If we are keeping the big 4 I don't see how we could sign him at that and even ice a team let alone one with an improved bottom 6

This team looked good defensively, what we need to find are cost controlled Bottom 6ers with speed,some offensive punch and lineup flexibility so one injury doesn't completely screw us

That's what any surplus resources needs to go towards

Not sure why people want him so bad anyways. He'd help with our PP, but he's all offense and no intensity, just like the rest of our team.

 

[mydnyte]

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These were all easy to find.

Spoiler alert: You need to beat good teams to win a cup instead of making excuses every year in the 1st round.

betting odds ...they only want to make $$, so, the odds are based on betting trends, and they adjust the odds to influence how they want people to bet.
some outlets didnt like our adds, for example

THE HOCKEY NEWS' SERIES PICK: Blue Jackets in five games

the previous year, CBJ swept TB, and the Leafs were like TB 'lite' ...so, even with the changes the Jackets had, it was still a style that the Leafs were really bad against.
For example, in this years playoffs, i only feared 2 teams Montreal and Calgary, not because they had the most talent, or were better teams, but because they play a style that drives us nuts, and have a stifling defense. I was hoping Mtl would pass the Jets, and let the Oilers take out Montreal, and then go we have a really hard fought batter vs Helly, and then go head to head against the Oilers.

 

[mydnyte]

Trying to find someone that fits the CJ description that is also an easy cap fit is a tough slog. Discounting ELC's, need to have at least 2 yrs remaining on current contract

<3m -Troy Terry, Sean Walker, Oskar Lindblom, Vladislav Gavrikov, Tage Thompson - some good, higher upside buy low names, but nothing really that "excites"
3-4m - Roope Hintz, Radek Faksa, Collin Miller, Will Butcher- Hintz stands alone as exciting, Faksa as solid, others nah
4-5m -Chychrun, Dvorak, Klingberg, Lebanc, Severson - now we're talking, but these are big trades, that either need retention or money going back, not to mention acquisition cost
5-6m- Atkinson, Konecny, Schmaltz, Meier, Henrique, Silvferberg, Lindell - As above

I don't see how we can go any higher than that without touching the big 4 up front, and don't see how we could fit anyone from the bottom lists without 50% retention or Rielly/Muzzin/Brodie going the other way

dont know the quote, if its a F, or D so, just did a quick search of hits leaders:
Ristolainen
Zadorov
Kreider (unlikely)

 

[WTFMAN99]

betting odds ...they only want to make $$, so, the odds are based on betting trends, and they adjust the odds to influence how they want people to bet.
some outlets didnt like our adds, for example
the previous year, CBJ swept TB, and the Leafs were like TB 'lite' ...so, even with the changes the Jackets had, it was still a style that the Leafs were really bad against.
For example, in this years playoffs, i only feared 2 teams Montreal and Calgary, not because they had the most talent, or were better teams, but because they play a style that drives us nuts, and have a stifling defense. I was hoping Mtl would pass the Jets, and let the Oilers take out Montreal, and then go we have a really hard fought batter vs Helly, and then go head to head against the Oilers.

Eh, the several I found vs the 1 you found, I feel alright about the consensus.

Also you weren't scared of NYI/BOS/CAR/TBL/COL/VGK etc? They're all great teams

 

[pspot]

imo any big moves are going to have to come from trades . I'm assuming Shanny/Dubas have a shorter leash now and handing out any significant contracts past JT's term is not happening
there should be lots of opportunities but they'll have to make a hard trade which i'm not sure they are capable of
otherwise they'll tinker with mid roster and d again which i expect is the most likely scenario.

 

[mydnyte]

Eh, the several I found vs the 1 you found, I feel alright about the consensus.

Also you weren't scared of NYI/BOS/CAR/TBL/COL/VGK etc? They're all great teams

you'd need to get that far first ...but, this team (sadly) elevates its play (and lowers it) based on the opponent
the ones that 'scared' me would have been NYI, CAR. and COL (instead of Vegas) surprisingly. the Isles, and Canes are much better versions of MTL and Cal's style, so, if we couldnt get past those ones, they would have eaten our lunch.

 

[Shak19]

The guy CJ is referring to is Tom Wilson

 

[Nylanderthal]

The guy CJ is referring to is Tom Wilson

Why would the caps be interested in moving him? Further to that, what the hell would they want from Toronto that makes sense? We don’t have any draft picks for them to recoup from the awful mantha trade, and I don’t see a 4 quarters for a dollar bill kinda deal either where we send spare parts over.

 

[Stigma]

The guy CJ is referring to is Tom Wilson

Speculation or inside knowledge?

 

[ottomaddox]

I know this maybe an unpopular proposal, but is it possible Nylander could be used in a trade. Not because he's playing bad. He's had a good year, and a good playoff. He would return very good value and Toronto could round out their depth.

 

[mydnyte]

I know this maybe an unpopular proposal, but is it possible Nylander could be used in a trade. Not because he's playing bad. He's had a good year, and a good playoff. He would return very good value and Toronto could round out their depth.

We have 3 natural scorers only on the team ...Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander.
I believe we lost vs Mtl because our top line didnt have a secondary scoring threat, and it was easy to just double team Matthews, nd thats why Nylander was productive, as the top matchup was always vs Matthews and Nylander was too much for the secondary shutdown they had.
its also what made our 2nd unit so successful, the dual scoring threats.
if we lose Nylander, that weakens us more than losing Marner, as the scoring threat is always more dangerous than the 'playmaker'.

 

[Duffman955]

We have 3 natural scorers only on the team ...Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander.
I believe we lost vs Mtl because our top line didnt have a secondary scoring threat, and it was easy to just double team Matthews, nd thats why Nylander was productive, as the top matchup was always vs Matthews and Nylander was too much for the secondary shutdown they had.
its also what made our 2nd unit so successful, the dual scoring threats.
if we lose Nylander, that weakens us more than losing Marner, as the scoring threat is always more dangerous than the 'playmaker'.

Exactly

Marner never shot and Hyman flubbed a ton of great chances and breakaway

I want a strong LW that can shoot on the top line. Put a player like Kreider there, and it'll be unstoppable

 

[Legion34]

The guy CJ is referring to is Tom Wilson

can’t be. He played
In the playoffs

 

[ShaneFalco]

We have 3 natural scorers only on the team ...Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander.
I believe we lost vs Mtl because our top line didnt have a secondary scoring threat, and it was easy to just double team Matthews, nd thats why Nylander was productive, as the top matchup was always vs Matthews and Nylander was too much for the secondary shutdown they had.
its also what made our 2nd unit so successful, the dual scoring threats.
if we lose Nylander, that weakens us more than losing Marner, as the scoring threat is always more dangerous than the 'playmaker'.

Nylander was by far our most dangerous player and keefs played him 17 min on average. Meanwhile Mitch hadn't scoed a PP goal all year, and hasn't scored in the playoffs for what 18 games? And he gets 24 min +
There's just something weird about the whole Marner thing.

 

[Metroid]

All this CJ talk is fluff to get our minds off nothing being done.

 

[ShaneFalco]

He kills penalties, puts up points and is one of the leaders on the team

He kills penalties but he could be replaced easily. A leader on the team? He wears the 'A' but I've never seen him as a leader. More like the guys just like him because he's goofy. He puts up points in the regular season

 

[Amadeus]

Brock McGinn - Auston Matthews - Mitch Marner
Mike Hoffman - John Tavares - William Nylander
Matt Calvert - Sean Kuraly - Ilya Mikheyev
Luke Glendening - Jason Spezza - Corey Perry
Pierre Engvall/Adam Brooks

Rielly - Brodie
Holl - Muzzin
Sandin - Bogosian
Jani Hakanpa/Luke Schenn

Campbell
Mike Smith

There's your revamped team up front.

Forwards are fully revamped. Notable Exclusions are Zach Hyman, Alex Galchenyuk, Wayne Simmonds, Nick Foligno, Joe Thornton. Hoffman adds an element of a shot that is really missing from our PP at the moment. Brock McGinn, Matt Calvert, Luke Glendening, Sean Kuraly and Corey Perry add the toughness we need on our forward group.

Really think signing Mike Smith will be good for us and go with a tandem. Mike Smith will organically improve our D as he's the best puck handling goalie and will help with the possession game.

 

[mydnyte]

Nylander was by far our most dangerous player and keefs played him 17 min on average. Meanwhile Mitch hadn't scoed a PP goal all year, and hasn't scored in the playoffs for what 18 games? And he gets 24 min +
There's just something weird about the whole Marner thing.

it would have been such an easy 'fix' move Nylander to the top line and stack it, but, i guess Keefe was afraid after the Columbus nuclear option backfired, or just swap Marner/Nylander so that Mtl couldnt focus only on Matthews and blocking passing lanes, because Nylander has no issues shooting from about anywhere, and is much more mobile looking for a pass. ...unlike Marner being glued to the half-boards and afraid to skate into the slot.