Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Cleetus]

Well firstly he has a shot so that threat opens up more space for others. With mitch if you let him open and take away his passing lane you get a muffin shot to the logo. Secondly, he is bigger, better on the boards and more physical. Could he be a collosal bust? Sure. But I bet he'd get you more than zero goals in 18 games.

well we don't know.... Marner and Matthews had a lot of dominance in the regular season, but got shut down in the playoffs, of course you could be right, just saying its a different game in the playoffs...

 

[francis246]

I brought this up in the line-up thread, but I think you could kill 3 birds with one stone if you focus on a trade with the Coyotes.

1. Nick Schmaltz - Really talented 3rd line centreman, that can play 2nd line centre with injury or on the wing if needed. Locked in to a contract for another 5 years at a decent number and I think he fits the style in which the Leafs play.

2. Lawson Crouse - Power forward that needs work on his skating, but would fill in the lack of physicality in the line-up. Could play anywhere from 1st - 3rd line wing, but more suited for the 2nd line.

3. Darcy Keumper - Not an elite goaltender, but a really good 1B that the Leafs would love to get for this upcoming season in the final year of his deal.

* add ons based on contracts, value, etc. I'm not sure what the additional players would be, but I feel like if you trade Marner, it has to be in a package deal and not a 1 for 1.

You easily lose the deal in the short term. Marner is a 90 point winger with a bloated contract and mixed reputation within the city. But the important part of the deal is that you spread money throughout the line-up and add 3 spots that you will be looking for anyways. Physicality, depth and goaltending.

again just a really brutal deal

 

[showtime8]

My top one is LA. I think it makes a lot of sense. They have plenty of assets and need to start making some moves. Another is Calgary. They seem poised for a shake up this off-season. Arizona, mainly once we pay Marner’s bonus is another target. They’ve got some pieces. Depending on how the expansion draft goes, Seattle has some potential as well. Finally, I think there’s potential for something with Columbus. It’s not my favourite possibility, however.

LA by far, makes the most sense to me.

Hmmm... what would the targets be in LA?

 

[showtime8]

again just a really brutal deal

Thanks for the input. Care to elaborate?

 

[francis246]

Yeah, you don't trade him for nothing... but the cap space that opens up is an asset.

Just the players and picks coming back don't necessarily have to equal Marner. Add in the open cap space, then evaluate the deal.

theres really only 1 team that can realistically make it work and that’s probably the LA Kings.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'd much rather Reinhart, Risto, 1st overall pick for Marner and Holl

Really Risto? I have not seen him play this past year but he is just a bigger version of Barrie.
As for Reinhart, he is okay

 

[Gabriel426]

Buffalo isn’t even in my top 5 of realistic places to trade Marner.

Point is, Eichel for Marner solves nothing

I agree, just moving 1 10mil plus player for another 10mil plus player

 

[Dreakmur]

Hmmm... what would the targets be in LA?

Gabe Vilardi
Adrian Kempe
Lias Andersson
Alex Turcotte
Akil Thomas
Kale Clague

 

[Dreakmur]

theres really only 1 team that can realistically make it work and that’s probably the LA Kings.

It really is sad. Dubas overpaid him so much that most teams in the league wouldn't even try to make room for him.

 

[The Iceman]

Another example is swap out Marner and our 3 worst/cheapest forwards and replace instead with 4 guys with roughly the same value as Kerfoot. The cap hits roughly balance for us to be able to do that and now we have a top 9 consisting of Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Hyman and 5 guys with the approx. value of a Kerfoot. Then our fourth line could have been Spezza, Galyenchuk and Engvall or whatever.

It's amazing how much how much quality depth you can buy for the price of one Marner.

ESPECIALLY in a flat cap where $11 mill stretches like Gumby.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Gabe Vilardi
Adrian Kempe
Lias Andersson
Alex Turcotte
Akil Thomas
Kale Clague

kempe plus (Turcotte or Thomas) plus a second would be more than enough for me

 

[AllDay28]

this girl I partied with when I was younger is legitimately best friends with Dougie Hamilton. She talked about him when he got drafted to the OHL. It's funny cause then I would be like "meh dont care".. completely forgot til today. Got on her FB and told her to start the recruiting process to get him home.

 

[Cor]

Hmmm... what would the targets be in LA?

Byfield won’t be touchable.

But I would love a deal around Turcotte.

 

[Stephen]

I think Montreal’s continued playoff hot streak will discourage Toronto from really dismantling things.

 

[Gabriel426]

None of the 4 are getting moved so it’s all talk.
I wouldn’t be looking at a guy like Eichel, You want to change the dynamic you look at a guy like Brock Boeser. 5 million dollars and room for more balance.

Boeser got one year left on his deal and with the way Wild is playing, I have a feeling he is planning to go home. Leafs will QO him and he walks the following year.

 

[nuck]

Why would LA want Marner though? Aren't they a rebuilding team that would rather keep their young pieces.... This would seem like a Kessel type of deal for them. Except Kessel showed up in the playoffs.

I would think a team like Buffalo, that has had a failed rebuild and a disgruntled captain, not to mention that Dahlin is heading towards bustville, would be far more willing to deal.

Marner is 24 and the #4 scorer in the league so not really a Kessel comp. The only impediment would be cap space as he basically makes any team that can afford him better. I don't think of LA as necessarily the ideal trade partner but if they want to take a last run with Kopitar and Doughty a high end player in his prime is the perfect fit.

 

[socko]

The Leafs need proven goal scorers that can score now in the playoffs. Not prospects. If Spezza were to not be back next season the pickings are getting real slim for who can put the biscuit in the basket.

 

[Gabriel426]

Seattle is the perfect destination. West coast expansion team. Out of sight, out of mind.
That 2nd overall pick.++ would be nice

I really think Seattle will make a run at trading for Marner, due to the pressure of Vegas success.
Would be interesting what are the pieces in the expansion draft that Kraken can pick up.

 

[Menzinger]

Boeser got one year left on his deal and with the way Wild is playing, I have a feeling he is planning to go home. Leafs will QO him and he walks the following year.

I don't think the Wild will have room for him. Fiala and Kaprizov are getting paid this off-season and the team needs to save money for centres on top of that

 

[Gabriel426]

I think Montreal’s continued playoff hot streak will discourage Toronto from really dismantling things.

They must be dumber than we all thought if they believe that.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner is 24 and the #4 scorer in the league so not really a Kessel comp. The only impediment would be cap space as he basically makes any team that can afford him better. I don't think of LA as necessarily the ideal trade partner but if they want to take a last run with Kopitar and Doughty a high end player in his prime is the perfect fit.

I would trade Kopitar for Marner straight up.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't think the Wild will have room for him. Fiala and Kaprizov are getting paid this off-season and the team needs to save money for centres on top of that

Wilds are not the Leafs, they are not going to pay Fiala and Kaprizov, 10 mil each. Boeser is two yrs away from reaching UFA status and unless he scores like AM, Pasta and Ovie, he won’t be getting anything close to 10mil.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Kings
Mac Hollowell & 7th for Brendan Lemieux

Leafs - Canucks
Nate Schmidt & Nils Hoglander
for
Morgan Rielly

Leafs - Coyotes
Ilya Mikheyev for Lawson Crouse

Leafs - Wild
Pierre Engvall for Ryan Hartman

Expansion Draft
Alexander Kerfoot /Justin Holl

Sign:
- Barclay Goodrow 3 x 1.75 M
- Jason Spezza 1 x 700k
- Zach Bogosian 2 x 1.25 M
- Jamie Oleksiak 3 x 2.75M

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Goodrow - Hartman - Hoglander
Lemieux - Brooks - Spezza

Muzzin - Brodie
Oleksiak - Schmidt
Sandin - Bogosian

Campbell

 

[Dreakmur]

Leafs - Kings
Mac Hollowell & 7th for Brendan Lemieux

Leafs - Canucks
Nate Schmidt & Nils Hoglander
for
Morgan Rielly

Leafs - Coyotes
Ilya Mikheyev for Lawson Crouse

Leafs - Wild
Pierre Engvall for Ryan Hartman

Expansion Draft
Alexander Kerfoot /Justin Holl

Sign:
- Barclay Goodrow 3 x 1.75 M
- Jason Spezza 1 x 700k
- Zach Bogosian 2 x 1.25 M
- Jamie Oleksiak 3 x 2.75M

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Goodrow - Hartman - Hoglander
Lemieux - Brooks - Spezza

Muzzin - Brodie
Oleksiak - Schmidt
Sandin - Bogosian

Campbell

Why does any team make any of those deals?

 

[ER89]

well we don't know.... Marner and Matthews had a lot of dominance in the regular season, but got shut down in the playoffs, of course you could be right, just saying its a different game in the playoffs...

I agree. But its about figuring out what type of game translates into the playoffs where there is a lot less space. North-south players are usually stronger. But ofc I can't say i'm certain.