Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

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I am not saying they are not human or should not have emotions.

The reason he deleted the apps is bc he is afraid of all the negative stuff fans would comment, which shows going into the series, he doesn't have full confidence the Leafs and himself will do well. Bc if he got more confidence and have stronger belief, he would not have done that. This is not a backup plan but you can't go into a competition thinking you might fail. It is like playing to win or playing to not to lose.

Personally, I think all pro-athletes and public figures should have their manager and agent or just hire someone to run their social media accounts and just have an alias account for friends and families.

deleting social media doesn’t mean he’s afraid, it could also just mean it’s a distraction. Everyone deals with and processes the things they see differently.

His playoff performance is one thing, he should and will be judged on that. But for you to sit here and judge him for making decisions that are probably for his benefit and mental health is pretty stupid. It has nothing to do with anything at all. If you ask many professional athletes in a candid moment, most would probably say social media gets to them. Some are better at handling it than others.
 
Would Marner in a package for Eichel be something we can look at?

It'll take more than just Marner but Marner may be the best overall player the Sabres get back in any return for him.

They’d more likely do something around Marner and Reinhart, than Marner and Eichel.
 
Would Marner in a package for Eichel be something we can look at?

It'll take more than just Marner but Marner may be the best overall player the Sabres get back in any return for him.

why would the leafs make that move? It just leaves them in the same place, maybe a slightly better player we acquire but it doesn’t solve the cap space issues.
 
They’d more likely do something around Marner and Reinhart, than Marner and Eichel.

Marner is twice the player Reinhart is.

What Marner lacks in value for Eichel, we can probably add in a prospect and pick.
 
I am not saying they are not human or should not have emotions.

The reason he deleted the apps is bc he is afraid of all the negative stuff fans would comment, which shows going into the series, he doesn't have full confidence the Leafs and himself will do well. Bc if he got more confidence and have stronger belief, he would not have done that. This is not a backup plan but you can't go into a competition thinking you might fail. It is like playing to win or playing to not to lose.

Personally, I think all pro-athletes and public figures should have their manager and agent or just hire someone to run their social media accounts and just have an alias account for friends and families.

It's not for the fact that he wasn't confident, it's more along the lines of how abusive people can be when things don't go their way. And for 90% of people, it's just them throwing love and you'll get em next time. But you hear about the stuff that people were saying about Ethan Bear and Mark Scheifle just finished a press conference where he said people were threatening him and his family members. It's that kind of crap and to be honest, I don't blame him. Social Media is a cesspool for people to unleash hate without any recourse.
 
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just because you have the cap, it doesn’t mean those players want to sign here. Which is why no management team in their right mind would make that type of gamble. It’s stupid. You’re not signing all four of those guys in UFA. It’s just not happening. This isn’t EA Sports

There are plenty of UFAs. There are also plenty of trade targets.

Unloading Marner has to be done.
 
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The trade Muzzin to sign Hamilton is definitely intriguing. Though I'd want a guarantee from Hamilton he'd sign before pulling the trigger on it

muzz has a full NTC. If you were sure. You could expose muzz to expansion.
Super unlikely though
 
Fits with his career too. Never been on a team that's had a deep run, and scores like a 4th liner in the playoffs too. He's one of those players that has developed this strange following despite not really ever achieving much.

The Leafs were terrified of him all series. That made a difference.
 
There are plenty of UFAs. There are also plenty of trade targets.

Unloading Marner has to be done.

If they can make a GOOD hockey trade that improves your team and by circumstances frees up some cap. You do it, but I’m sorry you don’t move Marner just to clear cap space.

which is why I think a lot of people need to get in touch with reality. Unless we get a new GM Marner isn’t going anywhere lol. So get used to him being here.

will they look at moving him? I’d hope so, be open to it. But I don’t think they will find a deal they like enough to pull the trigger
 
Marner is twice the player Reinhart is.

What Marner lacks in value for Eichel, we can probably add in a prospect and pick.

The point of trading Marner is about rebalancing the salary cap management.

Reinhart is a very good player. Plus other assets, will allow us to add depth to this team again.
 
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The key to a successful Dubas offseason to meaningfully remake the team, produce upgrades and keep the Big 4 together can be found in the "Kapanen Method."

That is you take tradeable assets and move them out for pure futures to replenish the organization, while simultaneously translating those cap savings to buy big on a pandemic deflated free agent market.

In the Kapanen method, we got the Amirov pick, Hallander and a bunch of other trimmings for moving on from Kapanen.

This summer, I would probably look at trading Jake Muzzin as the big sacrifice, work with Seattle to determine whether they are picking Dermott or Kerfoot and then dispose of Kerfoot if Seattle doesn't want him and then also let Andersen walk and make a final decision on Hyman. If we lose all of these guys, we gain about $16 million cap space. Then there's the lower end free agents like Simmonds, Thornton who might add another $2.25 million to the pot.

Then I go spend that money like a drunken sailor: target big ticket Dougie Hamilton to replace Muzzin. Re-sign Morgan Rielly within reaason. Get a platoon goalie, and look at forward options like Palmieri, Granlund. If we don't have success with Hamilton, maybe we bring on a couple of extra D like Larsson, David Savard and a reclamation like Ryan Murray. Maybe be we look at Taylor Hall finally or Gabriel Landeskog.

Basically the idea is to carve out as much cap space for futures as possible and then spend the money aggressively. The big enemy here is a stagnant roster and nibbling around the edges. Dubas needs to attack the middle class contracts, bring in a flow of assets and then spend that new found cap. He did it last year. He's got to do the same again this year.
I think thats what Dubas will be doing. But at the end of the day, the CORE FOUR needs to bring their A game in playoffs and Keefe must find a way to split them into three lines to spread the offence. To me it is simple, I don't know the breakdown but lets say the avg Caphit for contenders breakdown as follows:
Top line-22mil
2nd line-17mil
3rd line-11mil
4th line 4mil

Something like that and let the core four make others better.
 
The point of trading Marner is about rebalancing the salary cap management.

Reinhart is a very good player. Plus other assets, will allow us to add depth to this team again.

I'm not sure what other assets would be attractive to the Leafs from that Sabres team.
 
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I think thats what Dubas will be doing. But at the end of the day, the CORE FOUR needs to bring their A game in playoffs and Keefe must find a way to split them into three lines to spread the offence. To me it is simple, I don't know the breakdown but lets say the avg Caphit for contenders breakdown as follows:
Top line-22mil
2nd line-17mil
3rd line-11mil
4th line 4mil

Something like that and let the core four make others better.

The thing is we can’t bleed out UFAs leaving every year without getting things back to replenish the farm and we have to be proactive about roster construction. So I think we need to move out assets to fuel that circulation of assets.
 
It's not for the fact that he wasn't confident, it's more along the lines of how abusive people can be when things don't go their way. And for 90% of people, it's just them throwing love and you'll get em next time. But you hear about the stuff that people were saying about Ethan Bear and Mark Scheifle just finished a press conference where he said people were threatening him and his family members. It's that kind of crap and to be honest, I don't blame him. Social Media is a cesspool for people to unleash hate without any recourse.
Like I said, public figures should let someone run their social medias and have alias account for friends and families.
 
The thing is we can’t bleed out UFAs leaving every year without getting things back to replenish the farm and we have to be proactive about roster construction. So I think we need to move out assets to fuel that circulation of assets.
Completely agree, thats what TB been doing over the past few years. They got plenty of good picks and prospects for guys like Miller, Drouin, and others.
 
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I'm not sure what other assets would be attractive to the Leafs from that Sabres team.

Yeah, no way. I consider Sam Reinhart is a fairly unspectacular 2nd line C only. Solid player, but not one you replace Marner with. The only player I'd consider trading Marner for in a package of pluses is Jack Eichel, and I'd argue, from a Sabres perspective, they won't get an asset back more valuable than Marner.
 
I'd much rather Reinhart, Risto, 1st overall pick for Marner and Holl

both those trades are awful. Especially to a division rival. Eichel would probably stay if they got Marner and those two together would be dominant
 
Buffalo isn’t even in my top 5 of realistic places to trade Marner.

Point is, Eichel for Marner solves nothing
Maybe not capwise but you get another big proven goal scoring scoring C for a small winger who's game does not translate to the playoffs. If he is healthy 1 for 1 is a no brainer. You then could move Nylander if you want. Anyway this talk is moot cause Marner all but not being moved.
 
To Toronto-
J.T Miller
Nate Schmidt
Vasily Podkolzin

To Vancouver-
Mitch Marner
Justin Holl
We want to trade marner. We don't want to trade him for shit. Why do your proposals make us get absolute shit? Wtf?
 
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