stickty111
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That makes us much worse. You have made our D worse and not even improved our biggest problem up front.
Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition
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stickty111
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I think if Buffalo is willing to do a Eichel for Marner kind of deal, you have to consider it.
I'm telling you bro.... this is the move. 3 elite C's? When was the last time the league saw that? All three capable of running their own line. Also Eichel was well on his way of becoming a top 5 C in the league last year. Dude was a monster for a shoddy sabre team and put up 78 in 68. 94 pt, 43 goal pace.
Dreakmur
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And he did that by making all deals that none of the other teams would agree to. That’s spectacular!
danron1376
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pittsburgh had crosby, malkin and jordin staal at one point. worked out pretty good for them.
Trapper
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Until Staal needed a new contract and they had to trade him because you can’t spend half your cap on 3 forwards.
It just makes too much sense for both teams. Marner for picks does nothing for the leafs right now, Eichel could be seen as a lateral move but it’s the only “hockey” trade out there for Marner that doesn’t make the leafs significantly worse.
This is all dependent how bad Eichel’s injury is though.
SHANNYPLAN
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I also can see Philadelphia as a landing spot for Mitch Marner.
They have some good forwards, some good future assets as well, and I think they are going to look to make a splash.
Konecny has long been a player people here have coveted, for good reason. Our powerplay really hasn't been the same since we lost JVR as a net front guy. They have the 14th overall pick, and so on and so forth.
So follow along with me here;
- You trade M.Marner to the Flyers for T.Konecny, J.van Riemsdyk, L.Hogberg, and 14th Overall Pick. Might seem like a bit much, but the Leafs taking back JVR's 2 years and 14 million dollars remaining, sorta off sets any contract concerns weighing down Marner's value. What this trade does - provide the Leafs with a 2 for 1 scenario, while also picking up a decent prospect (with Dermott leaving, and Sandin fully graduating, good to keep the cupboard stockpiled), and gives us a chance to be in the first round again for this draft. Perhaps we swing for the fences with a Aatu Raty, who has fallen down the rankings due to a not so great production year (I personally still think the high end potential is there).
- CJ seems to think Zach Hyman will get offered 6M (or more) by other teams if he makes it to free agency. I think unfortunately, we need to take a similar strategy, in spreading that into multiple players, instead of 1.
- So, in free agency, I look to sign two players, 1 in the 3.25-3.5 range, and another in the 1.5-2M range. For the purpose of this discussion, I go after Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow, but, there's a couple different options there that can be had.
- Next, a bit of internal housekeeping, I keep Spezza for another year 750K and Bogosian for another year at 1.5M. I also bring back Calle Rosen, and not Martin Marincin, at 750K, to be our 7th d-man. With Liljegren acting as the 8th D, while playing with the Marlies.
- Now, it's time to find a tandem goalie. I've budgeted 2-2.5M (or less) for this spot. I think there are a couple options here, but I think Antti Raanta on a 1 year deal makes sense for both sides. Raanta has good fancy numbers, and despite his somewhat weak year, it was a small sample, but I think Raanta will need to take a 1 year deal somewhere to rebuild some value.
- This doesn't really matter, but I offer Jack Campbell a 3 year extension worth a total of 9 million dollars on day 1 of free agency as well.
- Finally, I move Engvall to a team for a 4th/5th rounder, and Sign Sean Kuraly, or a similar 4th line center, for 900K.
My 2021-22 lineup:
Blake Coleman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Barclay Goodrow - John Tavares - Travis Konecny
James van Riemsdyk - Alex Kerfoot - Ilya Mikheyev
Joey Anderson/Nick Robertson - Sean Kuraly - Jason Spezza
Adam Brooks
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Rasmus Sandin - Zach Bogosian
Calle Rosen
Jack Campbell
Antti Raanta
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They have some good forwards, some good future assets as well, and I think they are going to look to make a splash.
Konecny has long been a player people here have coveted, for good reason. Our powerplay really hasn't been the same since we lost JVR as a net front guy. They have the 14th overall pick, and so on and so forth.
So follow along with me here;
- You trade M.Marner to the Flyers for T.Konecny, J.van Riemsdyk, L.Hogberg, and 14th Overall Pick. Might seem like a bit much, but the Leafs taking back JVR's 2 years and 14 million dollars remaining, sorta off sets any contract concerns weighing down Marner's value. What this trade does - provide the Leafs with a 2 for 1 scenario, while also picking up a decent prospect (with Dermott leaving, and Sandin fully graduating, good to keep the cupboard stockpiled), and gives us a chance to be in the first round again for this draft. Perhaps we swing for the fences with a Aatu Raty, who has fallen down the rankings due to a not so great production year (I personally still think the high end potential is there).
- CJ seems to think Zach Hyman will get offered 6M (or more) by other teams if he makes it to free agency. I think unfortunately, we need to take a similar strategy, in spreading that into multiple players, instead of 1.
- So, in free agency, I look to sign two players, 1 in the 3.25-3.5 range, and another in the 1.5-2M range. For the purpose of this discussion, I go after Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow, but, there's a couple different options there that can be had.
- Next, a bit of internal housekeeping, I keep Spezza for another year 750K and Bogosian for another year at 1.5M. I also bring back Calle Rosen, and not Martin Marincin, at 750K, to be our 7th d-man. With Liljegren acting as the 8th D, while playing with the Marlies.
- Now, it's time to find a tandem goalie. I've budgeted 2-2.5M (or less) for this spot. I think there are a couple options here, but I think Antti Raanta on a 1 year deal makes sense for both sides. Raanta has good fancy numbers, and despite his somewhat weak year, it was a small sample, but I think Raanta will need to take a 1 year deal somewhere to rebuild some value.
- This doesn't really matter, but I offer Jack Campbell a 3 year extension worth a total of 9 million dollars on day 1 of free agency as well.
- Finally, I move Engvall to a team for a 4th/5th rounder, and Sign Sean Kuraly, or a similar 4th line center, for 900K.
My 2021-22 lineup:
Blake Coleman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Barclay Goodrow - John Tavares - Travis Konecny
James van Riemsdyk - Alex Kerfoot - Ilya Mikheyev
Joey Anderson/Nick Robertson - Sean Kuraly - Jason Spezza
Adam Brooks
Jake Muzzin - Justin Holl
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Rasmus Sandin - Zach Bogosian
Calle Rosen
Jack Campbell
Antti Raanta
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Trapper
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Why would Buffalo trade Eichel, a goal scoring center for a playmaking winger who can’t score. So he can pass to guys who can’t score.
They’d be better off trading to the Rangers for a Zibanejad or Lafreniere package etc.
Avilaj07
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I'm loving Owen Power. Guy is a franchise changing defenseman.
To Toronto
1st overall pick (Owen Power)
Sam Reinhart
Rasmus Ristolainen
To Buffalo-
Mitch Marner
Justin Holl
To Toronto
1st overall pick (Owen Power)
Sam Reinhart
Rasmus Ristolainen
To Buffalo-
Mitch Marner
Justin Holl
UFA's we should go hard after:
Goodrow
Cizikas
Kuraly
Driedger
Hjalmarsson
Hoffman Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Mik Cizikas Goodrow
Brooks Kuraly Spezza
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Hjalmarsson
Sandin Bogosian
Campbell
Driedger
Goodrow
Cizikas
Kuraly
Driedger
Hjalmarsson
Hoffman Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Mik Cizikas Goodrow
Brooks Kuraly Spezza
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Hjalmarsson
Sandin Bogosian
Campbell
Driedger
I never said the leafs can offer the best package, I just said it’s a deal that makes sense for both teams. Especially given the player ages.
Why would Buffalo want Zibanejad? He’s a UFA in a year , doubt he’d sign in Buffalo.
Avilaj07
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Trade Rielly for a high 1st plus A level prospect
Muzzin-Ristolainen
Power- Brodie
Sandin- Bogosian
TheGreatOne11
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Consider it for sure, but one of Tavares or Eichal would have to convert to wing. Not enough ice time to go around rolling three lines of stars. And they are all legitimate stars.
But i don't see him being traded honestly.
TheGreatOne11
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Rielly annoyed me all season, but he did show up for the playoffs. I don't know about getting rid of our best D man. Brodie close second. Was VERY solid for us, what an amazing deal that was.
Stephen
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I think Muzzin will be low key diminishing returns in the next few years with age, decline and mileage and I would quietly move on from him before the word gets out.
Stephen
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How about Andrew Mangiapane? He would be a scrappy guy who could add some energy. I also wouldn't mind circling back on the Sam Bennett idea either depending on Florida's plans.
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Dreakmur
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Konecny is the kind of player we've always needed.
As much as I love Konecny, I don't like the JVR part. The whole point of moving Marner is to better assign his cap space, and that second year might prevent us from resigning Morgan Rielly and/or Jack Campbell.
My max for Hyman would be either 5x4 or 4x5. Sucks that other cap mistakes means we can't afford more, but we are where we are.
There's actually some really good options if we want to go the UFA route.
Top-6: Jaden Schwartz, Blake Coleman, or Brandon Saad.
Middle-6: Casey Cizikas, Kyle Palmieri, Mikael Granlund
Bottom-6: Barclay Goodrow, Tomas Nosek, Joel Armia, Brock McGinn, Erik Haula, Sean Kuraly
Spezza is easy to bring back. I want Bogosian, but he might command more than 1.5 million. If it keeps the cap hit down, I'd actually give him a multi-year deal (1.5 x 2)
I have no idea what to do with the back-up role, since I don't know much about goalies.
My uneducated preference would be James Reimer, since we know he's a quality back-up and we know he's a low maintenance personality.
Love it. I think Kuraly might get a bit more, but he's exactly the kind of 4th liner we need.
I like it.
Who did we lose to Seattle? I can't see them not taking Kerfoot is he's available... tough if he's back, he has proven over and over that he's not a center.
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Or... sign Rielly, sign Hamilton. Trade Muzzin.
I would do the Eichel for Marner if Buffalo adds something as an injury protection.
Eichel is better than Marner as he can create his own offense and score on his own not relying on Matthews or Tavares to accumulate assits.
Eichel is bigger stronger and more physical than Marner.
If I am the Leafs make the deal based on the medical reports you see or are allowed to do on Eichel.
You run
Matthews - Eichel
Tavares - Nylander
you now need a guy on each line to play a 2oo foot game with speed and jam and can complement them.
Rielly most definitely isn't the Leafs best DEFENSEman. If he was the Leafs wouldn't have been looking for a partner for him that could compensate for his inconsistent defensive play all these years. This season Brodie and perhaps Muzzin has been the Leafs most consistent Dmen and even Holl was counted on more defensively than Rielly was with all the penalty killing duties.
Brodie is the reason why the Leafs top 4 became solid this year because finally we had someone who could play steady top pairing minutes and be defensively reliable and help Rielly out.
I wish we could trade him while his value is high and get some good assets back or perhaps even a good defensively reliable Dman in return, but I kinda doubt that will happen. I'd rather someone else open the wallet for his next contract, but it looks like the Leafs are going to be the ones to do it.
socko
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How much offense did Rielly generate by leading the rush into the O-zone? It was a lot. 2 or 3 times per playoff game. And we didn't score enough goals. I like Hamilton a lot. Especially if he's a UFA. But we don't have any money. I really don't want to continue to watch Dubas torch this teams future because he can't manage a salary cap.
TheGreatOne11
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Man if we could make that work i would LOVE it.
Like you said, i love Muzzin, he's a warrior, but i feel the decline will start soon.
Having Hamilton, Morgan and Brodie would be huge.
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