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Might be light on Coleman and Goodrow and a tad heavy on Spezza, Bogo and possibly the two goalies but I like your thinking.
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Might be light on Coleman and Goodrow and a tad heavy on Spezza, Bogo and possibly the two goalies but I like your thinking.
hamzarocks
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Both guys have produced and won in the playoffs
Kuznetsov has one of the best playoff performances of the 2010s
Wilson is a guy you have to live with in terms of his style. You hope you can have him hone it down but overall he's a superstar powerforward player who would create insane space for Matthews on his line and has the hands and shot to convert and set up chances
Coleman is going to get 5+ ... Literally the same player as Hyman is.
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Evgeny Kuznetsov 15-16 playoffs: 12 games - 1 G - 1 A
He was the same age then as Marner is now.
Wilson is a piece of shit with worse self control than Kadri.
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The Coleman + Goodrow + Seth Jones obsession is so funny and unimaginative.
You guys should apply for jobs at Sportsnet.
You guys should apply for jobs at Sportsnet.
The key test for Dubas will be the Hyman contract.
Here is how I look at Hyman. If he was playing for MTL he would have 10-15 goals and for many other teams he would be the same. Leafs deploy him with 2 of the most skilled players in the league. You can't pay a high price for that. You pay him on what he would be on other teams. NHL GM's aside from Holland know they don't have the talent to prop him up like the Leafs and his numbers would drop.
If he wants anything north of $4 million you have to let him walk. Ideally, Hyman is playing on the 3rd line and driving that line to be a big shutdown line that can chip in goals.
You overpay him as a top-line guy and there goes any flexibility Dubas had left.
Hyman is the key decision going forward and will know if Dubas can add to the team without removing the core like they said
Here is how I look at Hyman. If he was playing for MTL he would have 10-15 goals and for many other teams he would be the same. Leafs deploy him with 2 of the most skilled players in the league. You can't pay a high price for that. You pay him on what he would be on other teams. NHL GM's aside from Holland know they don't have the talent to prop him up like the Leafs and his numbers would drop.
If he wants anything north of $4 million you have to let him walk. Ideally, Hyman is playing on the 3rd line and driving that line to be a big shutdown line that can chip in goals.
You overpay him as a top-line guy and there goes any flexibility Dubas had left.
Hyman is the key decision going forward and will know if Dubas can add to the team without removing the core like they said
Deslauriers Ana big banger goes to the net 4th line .
Perry would love to have agitator that gets away with shit.
We will have room to go up on Coleman an goodrow if we don't sign Hyman .
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I think extending Hyman for anything more than $3.5M is a fireable offence.
The second Tom Wilson steps on the ice in a Leaf uniform, the NHL gives him a lifetime suspension on basic principle.
Mickey Marner
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Imagine that, cap space being an issue...
I'm cautiously pessimistic that anything of use will be accomplished.
Term is the biggest issue with his history of injuries. You can overpay him by $500k AAV and its no big deal but if you have to buy him out after 2 years on a 5 year deal you have a problem.
The Friedman story isn't news.
Of course every GM "tries some things" but Dubas tied his own hands with the 4 retirement contracts. Until he makes a move with one of those then there's no real chance for improvement.
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Honestly, if Mark Hunter had one good draft, we wouldn't be bothered by the salaries at all.
How many ELCs playing regular minutes on this team?
Mickey Marner
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I imagine he'll find himself unemployed before he moves one of them. Unfortunately, I don't expect that pink slip to come this off-season. Five consecutive series losses isn't enough, no, we must have six, maybe even seven before anything is done.
Leafs got great value from league minimum deals. The ELC's are not the problem. Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe, Matthews and Marner are the problem.
This reads like one of those Danny Ainge stories for those that also follow basketball.
Danney Ainge spent almost 20 years as a GM and had a thousands stories of "almost trades" to keep the fanbase engaged while he did nothing.
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They've got 7 forwards coming off the books that will need to be replaced and STILL have above $47M tied up in cap space on just forwards. That's about 60% of your total cap space tied up in forwards without you even signing the seven replacement forwards. So unless you're signing every remaining one of those 7 forwards needing replacement to almost league min, you're in the hole again.
Let's say/hope that Seattle takes Kerfoot....that's get out of jail on $3.5 M (Kerfoot is fine but he's a very average 3C imo). If you can get rid of you know who and allocate some of his ~11 M to defence and free up another $3 M of cap space at least in that deal, well now you're cooking in terms of using up a smaller percentage of your cap on forwards and having some room to maneuver.
As of now, they have very little room to maneuver with forwards outside of signing past-prime guys to cheap which we know didn't work this past season. They get rid of you know who and if Seattle also takes Kerfoot then it both gives you a needed locker room turnover and cap flexibility.
Let's say/hope that Seattle takes Kerfoot....that's get out of jail on $3.5 M (Kerfoot is fine but he's a very average 3C imo). If you can get rid of you know who and allocate some of his ~11 M to defence and free up another $3 M of cap space at least in that deal, well now you're cooking in terms of using up a smaller percentage of your cap on forwards and having some room to maneuver.
As of now, they have very little room to maneuver with forwards outside of signing past-prime guys to cheap which we know didn't work this past season. They get rid of you know who and if Seattle also takes Kerfoot then it both gives you a needed locker room turnover and cap flexibility.
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Honestly, this would have excited me last offseason but not anymore.
If we don’t reshape the core, the rest is nonsense. There simply isn’t any money to fix the issues on this team.
You can’t keep adding guys on one year deals for minimum wage to provide “character”. Character needs to come from your core.
We can’t keep adding guys in their late 30’s on one year deals to provide leadership. Leadership needs to come from the core.
The core needs to change.
I realize that they aren’t going to come out in a press conference and tell everyone they are trading Marner, but if they aren’t prepared to break up the core, not much will change and I honestly believe interest in this team will wane. People are truly fed up.
The management team is running the risk of having Marner booed every time he touches the puck. Then a trade gets even more difficult.
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Dubas isn't exactly inactive. Whether you think his moves are good or not, he makes a lot of them
Yeah, you can say what you want about Dubas, but he is consistently looking to make big moves to improve the team.
I doubt Dubas is going to stop that now
I doubt Dubas is going to stop that now
One poster ( don't remember who) had a fantastic point on zach. Hyman is awesome yes, but he plays like its the playoffs in the regular season making him so effective. But when in the playoffs everyone plays like its the playoffs (because it is) he becomes a lot less effective. Would I like to re-sign him? Yes. More than 3.5? f*** no.
Blake Coleman is worth the obsession. He’s a really good player.
Goodrow and Jones however….. lol
Eh, the ideal value should be between (depending on term) 3.75-4.25M. And frankly, that might be low balling it.
Hyman has scored at a 28 goal pace over the last 3 seasons. 165 games. That’s quite a large sample size.
He could walk into free agency and his agent could probably get a team to give him the Josh Anderson deal.
Hyman is the exact type of forward teams should crave.
Anything starting with a 5 shouldn’t happen. Anything starting with a 4 or less is acceptable.
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