Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[CelticDruid]

I would bring him back for half the price and to be a permanent 4th liner for the season. Wayne for 750k and I’m good with it

Simmonds would be a wasted roster spot.

He can't skate worth a dam and as far as physicality goes he was a complete non factor.

 

[CelticDruid]

We were surprisingly pretty good defensively but I’d still want to upgrade on the second pair. Rielly and Brodie were fantastic, I’d want Jones to replace Rielly ideally but that probably isn’t happening, so I’m fine with that top pair. Holl was good all season long but an upgrade on him would be fantastic in case one of the top 3 dman go down like we just saw. Holl is no more than a 4th and probably more suited for the third pair unless he’s carried by someone like Muzzin.

Hopefully we can re-sign Bogo and run a Sandin - Bogosian third pair. Sandin will be a stud, he needed more games in during the regular season instead of just being thrown into the playoffs.

We were surprisingly good defensively because we were in the North division, I'm sure we would have been exposed a lot more if it was a regular season. There will always be an asterisk to this season.

 

[Clark4Ever]

But why would we pay a first for a guy who had injuries leading up to it? That’s the issue. Personally I wanted to keep this first more than others. With the pandemic and our staff more likely to have a top player slip to 25

I'm not defending the trade. I thought we overpaid from the get go. I'm just saying that we didn't get to see the best version of Foligno and it makes the trade look even worse.

 

[SeenSchenn2]

One thing is very clear to me: Protecting Justin Holl over Travis Dermott would be a terrible mistake.

 

[ToneDog]

Easiest is to move Marner. Here are a few players I would try to trade for. Hopefully being able to add 2 players for Marner and in some cases still leave us cap space to add a 3rd line guy in FA

NYR 7 million
Zibanajed (JT moves to the wing)
Lafreniere

CGY (7 million)
Tkachuk - straight up.

PHI (8.5 million)
Koneckny
Loughton

VAN (10.8 million) a wash on the cap
Boeser
JT Miller

BUF (10 million)
Eichel

CBJ (10.8) has to be extensions for both players at team friendly deals
Jones
Domi

NYR, CBJ, Vancouver say No. No thanks to Philly and Calgary trades.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

But is Bjorkstrand much of the same a guy not willing to get dirty in the playoffs? I think Domi would relish a chance at the playoff here and not shy away from the physical play

Domi lacks shooting ability and disappears with physical play as well. He is Marner-lite with more of a temper, which usually just gets him in trouble.

Bjorkstrand doesn't run people through the boards, but he does forecheck well, he will drive the net, and he can snipe. We need that more than just raw physicality. I think we can get a 25-30 goals and 60 points out him if he plays with Tavares... He'd also be a major weapon on the PP.

 

[TMLAM34]

One thing is very clear to me: Protecting Justin Holl over Travis Dermott would be a terrible mistake.

I think we need to upgrade on either Holl or Dermott, whichever doesn’t get selected in the expansion draft… Having either of those guys on the second pairing isn’t very good at all when they’re both suited for the third pairing.

 

[sxvnert]

the Leafs are the most overrated franchise in all of sports. Let’s stop acting like this teams history isn’t completely full of titles during a 6 team league.

As are most original six franchises.

 

[sxvnert]

One thing is very clear to me: Protecting Justin Holl over Travis Dermott would be a terrible mistake.

Get rid of both to Seattle on the condition they take Kerfoot. Everybody wins.

 

[djdev]

3 way trade with columbus and calgary with the main pieces being:
columbus - jones, laine.
calgary - tkachuk, gaudreau.
toronto - marner, rielly.

add bit pieces to make it work.

calgary gets marner, laine
toronto gets jones, tkachuk
columbus gets gaudreau, rielly

 

[Kiwi]

CJ is as reliable as it gets for this sort of front office insider gossip.

All of it seems fairly logical too.

Not really, that coach is the GM's hire so if the coach needs to go the GM who hired him should follow him out the door

 

[SeaOfBlue]

3 way trade with columbus and calgary with the main pieces being:
columbus - jones, laine.
calgary - tkachuk, gaudreau.
toronto - marner, rielly.

add bit pieces to make it work.

calgary gets marner, laine
toronto gets jones, tkachuk
columbus gets gaudreau, rielly

I personally think the Leafs would need more, and I don't see them moving Rielly for sure. He's a character guy for this team and he brings it in the playoffs.

 

[2 Slick]

I can't believe I'm seeing some people blaming Jack Campbell for losing this series. His save percentage was well over .950% until the third period of game six. If you can't win a playoff series with numbers like that, then your team is trash.

I realize he let in a baby soft goal on the first goal against in game 7. Maybe if his team wasn't so inept at scoring, then it wouldn't have mattered. The fact remains he let in 2 goals or less, if a team that has the Rocket Richard winner and statistically the best goal scorer of his generation, then that's not his fault.

The Leafs scored ONE time in seven games in the first period. That's not Campbell's fault. He let in FOUR goals through the first four games.

It's not his fault the rest of the team didn't start on time in the 5th, 6th and 7th game.

Coming in as a career back-up goaltender who had stellar stats the entire post-season, I think he handled the pressure quite well.

All goaltenders have a bad game or let in an ugly goal... it happens to every one of them every single season and even in the playoffs. I've seen some of the best teams giving up tons of soft goals. Go watch the other playoff games, you'll see tons of goals against.

In any case, Campbell isn't the reason they lost the series. Matthews, Marner and Hyman combining for two goals in 7 games is why they didn't make it past the first round.

Those that blame Campbell won't be happy to know that Campbell is still here next season.

Campbell had a better save percentage in the playoffs and regular season than Andersen ever did in his half decade here. Adios, Andersen, that's the real stinker of a goaltender.

 

[Gallagbi]

One thing is very clear to me: Protecting Justin Holl over Travis Dermott would be a terrible mistake.

Can someone fill me in on this Dermott love? This is the guy who couldn't get into the lineup and when he did he coughed up the game in OT because he heard footsteps...again

 

[djdev]

I personally think the Leafs would need more, and I don't see them moving Rielly for sure. He's a character guy for this team and he brings it in the playoffs.

well its just the main pieces, like i said u can add picks and things to make it work. but i think the leafs make out pretty well here as is given they will probably be saving a decent amount in salary. and while i agree he brings it in the playoffs you have to give up quality if u wanna get quality back. i think jones is a btter dman than rielly for the record.

 

[Gary Nylund]

fans are fans, they have their own ways of running stuff clearly. every single analyst that gets paid to talk hockey all agreed it was the correct move, he got injured..i dont know how dubas is supposed to at fault for that.

Dubas is in charge so he gets the credit when things go well and gets the blame when things go bad. These so called analysts are entertainers who parrot each other for the most part, what they think doesn't change the fact that Dubas makes the decisions. Dubas grossly over estimated what this team is capable of, simple as that and our cupboards are much more empty than they otherwise would be because of it.

 

[Gabriel426]

We were surprisingly good defensively because we were in the North division, I'm sure we would have been exposed a lot more if it was a regular season. There will always be an asterisk to this season.

Some of the teams in other divisions were a lot worse than the teams in the North.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

well its just the main pieces, like i said u can add picks and things to make it work. but i think the leafs make out pretty well here as is given they will probably be saving a decent amount in salary.

Not for long though. You need to give big raises to both Tkachuk and Jones and in the end we likely end up having to pay the most salary after 2 years.

 

[Gabriel426]

Dubas is in charge so he gets the credit when things go well and gets the blame when things go bad. These so called analysts are entertainers who parrot each other for the most part, what they think doesn't change the fact that Dubas makes the decisions. Dubas grossly over estimated what this team is capable of, simple as that and our cupboards are much more empty than they otherwise would be because of it.

I would not use the term over-estimated but definitely over-rated. I look at what Dubas did this year the same as what AA did when he traded for Dickey, Reyes and others in the off season and ended up missing the playoffs. They both gambled and lost. Nobody expected AM and Marner to be this bad in a 7 games series against the Habs who they owned in the regular season. We are literally the Sens back then and Spezza is the link between the two, lol.

 

[djdev]

Not for long though. You need to give big raises to both Tkachuk and Jones and in the end we likely end up having to pay the most salary after 2 years.

matthew tkachuk is never going to make marner money, hes not getting a "big raise" on the 7 million he gets now..he doesnt put up the numbers. and iff you are paying a likely norris candidate in the future a few million more than rielly then im fine with that

 

[SeaOfBlue]

well its just the main pieces, like i said u can add picks and things to make it work. but i think the leafs make out pretty well here as is given they will probably be saving a decent amount in salary. and while i agree he brings it in the playoffs you have to give up quality if u wanna get quality back. i think jones is a btter dman than rielly for the record.

Jones is better than Rielly, but you can have both. I'd rather have both.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

matthew tkachuk is never going to make marner money, hes not getting a "big raise" on the 7 million he gets now..he doesnt put up the numbers. and iff you are paying a likely norris candidate in the future a few million more than rielly then im fine with that

Well if he is worth bringing in, one would hope he can at least become a 9 mill player similar to a Rantanen... If he doesn't get a raise on his 7 mill, that means he has disappointed.

 

[Gabriel426]

3 way trade with columbus and calgary with the main pieces being:
columbus - jones, laine.
calgary - tkachuk, gaudreau.
toronto - marner, rielly.

add bit pieces to make it work.

calgary gets marner, laine
toronto gets jones, tkachuk
columbus gets gaudreau, rielly

Flames don't have the cap for Marner and Laine.

 

[djdev]

Jones is better than Rielly, but you can have both. I'd rather have both.

agreed, but i dont see a path there. at least in this scenario you shake the very core of this team up, you arguably get slightly better and the salary long term either stays the same or goes down a bit.
clearly things as they stand arent working.

but imagine a cycle line of JT tkachuk and hyman...yes plz

 

[djdev]

Flames don't have the cap for Marner and Laine.

again, u add dumps and pieces to make it work..its just a basic framework around these players