Trades & Free Agency Thread - Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[The Iceman]

The advantage in trading for Mitch Marner:
Marner is owed a $9.6M signing bonus this offseason.

Once that's paid, he'll be owed $24.8M over the last four years of his deal. That's $6.2M per year. It's a complete bargain for teams like Ottawa, Buffalo, Columbus, and Arizona.

 

[AllDay28]

the worst of it blaming the fans for how the roster is constructed like this is the worst take ive read... or calling the franchise garbage, who is the gm of this so called garbage franchise.... all avenues should be looked at, Dubas is not bigger than the "franchise" what a joke

the Leafs are the most overrated franchise in all of sports. Let’s stop acting like this teams history isn’t completely full of titles during a 6 team league.

 

[djdev]

Of course, all your point proves that Dubas did a fantastic job this season with how the team appeared on paper. The coaches and players need to be the ones who need to be held accountable here. PP was garbage, zero intensity to the game, top line scoring 1 goal in 7 games, refusing to try anything but keeping everything the same regardless how many times they failed, refusing to play the only line that was consistently scoring in Gally-Kerfoot-Nylander.

All of these can't be blamed on the GM.

exactly. nobody here looked at this team before this series and said "ye dubas got this wrong, we are going to lose"

 

[Captain Crunch]

Dubas has absolutely 0 blame this season. We were going to stomp on the North division, the players and coach choked hard. Dubas did his job, which is to make as best a team as he could make. Players and coach didn't do their jobs to execute and perform on the ice.

There’s no way in Hell Dubas should not have to shoulder any blame. He signed Tavares when we clearly weren’t ready for that big of a step. Then he was more than happy to dole out all that money to the rest of the “core”. The team is not built properly, and that is ALL on him (and Shanahan)!
This nickel and dime shit to try to plug holes will not work!

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

If someone from the core not named Matthews isn’t moved this off-season, I’ll gladly renounce my support of this organization. Giving this core yet another shot after 5 disappointing 1st round exits is the definition on insanity. We haven’t made it out of the first round for 17 years.

 

[Legion34]

exactly. nobody here looked at this team before this series and said "ye dubas got this wrong, we are going to lose"

I didn’t like the foligno trade. I was good with the rest.

edit. Foligno owes us a cheap 1 year deal. He was terrible.

 

[stickty111]

the Leafs are the most overrated franchise in all of sports. Let’s stop acting like this teams history isn’t completely full of titles during a 6 team league.

So why were you going after fans who were angry and upset? You just contradicted your point.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

There’s no way in Hell Dubas should not have to shoulder any blame. He signed Tavares when we clearly weren’t ready for that big of a step. Then he was more than happy to dole out all that money to the rest of the “core”. The team is not built properly, and that is ALL on him (and Shanahan)!

Yea but that is in the past, tell me if you thought anything before the playoffs other than us beating the shit out of any of the 3 qualified teams. That's a job well done. Yes he needs to share a blame for the contracts but he makes it work with the cap space he has got and still puts a strong team on the ice. That's the job GM should be doing.

 

[djdev]

I didn’t like the foligno trade. I was good with the rest.

edit. Foligno owes us a cheap 1 year deal. He was terrible.

ye not everyone was happy, but it wasnt a universally disliked move. most thought it was a decent get.

 

[ToneDog]

Every time I ask myself what I would do if I were Kyle Dubas, the only answer I can think of is to quit and watch this team from a safe distance.

There will be teams lined up to hire him. OHL teams.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I didn’t like the foligno trade. I was good with the rest.

edit. Foligno owes us a cheap 1 year deal. He was terrible.

In fairness to Foligno, he was very good in his first few games prior to aggravating his injury.

 

[Leaffan1991]

This would be my lineup for next year

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Galchenyuk Tavares Palmieri
Robertson Cizikas Mik
Gabriel Brooks Spezza

Muzzin Jones
Hjalmarsson Brodie
Sandin Bogosian
Lilly

Campbell
Driedger

Marner traded for a signed Seth Jones
Rielly traded for first round pick plus grade A Prospect

 

[Cleetus]

the Leafs are the most overrated franchise in all of sports. Let’s stop acting like this teams history isn’t completely full of titles during a 6 team league.

so Dubas is more important than the franchise? lmao!!!!!

 

[93gilmour93]

Bogo and Spezza for sure, not understanding all the love for Simmonds though. He didn't do what he was brought in for and did basically nothing after his injury.

I would bring him back for half the price and to be a permanent 4th liner for the season. Wayne for 750k and I’m good with it

 

[Captain Crunch]

Yea but that is in the past, tell me if you thought anything before the playoffs other than us beating the shit out of any of the 3 qualified teams. That's a job well done. Yes he needs to share a blame for the contracts but he makes it work with the cap space he has got and still puts a strong team on the ice. That's the job GM should be doing.

Yes, that’s true. And it is indeed on the players and coach for what happened in this series (I still find it hard to believe what has come out about Marner and his refusal to switch roles on the PP, I have totally soured on him). I feel Nylander performed well, as did Brodie, Spezza, and Campbell. And Kerfoot played well when he played with Nylander. Matthews needed to do more, though.

 

[Gabriel426]

The root of this discussion was people being shortsighted wanting management turnover based on short term results. Certain posters would have fired Sakic and Yzerman 3 years into their tenures, and great teams/programs would not have happened.

The goal is to win the Cup. This current team lacks character to do so. And it all starts with the Core. We could have J Toews coming in for 1 mil but if he is only playing 12mins a night, it won't help. I am not going say it had been 5 years bc they were too young in the first two years. Something is not right with this group and keeping them together and expecting different results is fools gold.

 

[ryno23]

Easiest is to move Marner. Here are a few players I would try to trade for. Hopefully being able to add 2 players for Marner and in some cases still leave us cap space to add a 3rd line guy in FA

NYR 7 million
Zibanajed (JT moves to the wing)
Lafreniere

CGY (7 million)
Tkachuk - straight up.

PHI (8.5 million)
Koneckny
Loughton

VAN (10.8 million) a wash on the cap
Boeser
JT Miller

BUF (10 million)
Eichel

CBJ (10.8) has to be extensions for both players at team friendly deals
Jones
Domi

 

[Torontonian]

Stickty, I consider you a respected and capable poster. Sometimes it’s ok to agree to disagree.

Dubas is neither respected nor capable. The bobbling if Sandin and Liljegren’s development this year is just one mess up in a long line of blunders that Dubas has made.

I wouldn't call Sandin development a bobble, At the start they had issues trying to get him into the lineup but they allowed him practice and be around the "good pros" and then he got hurt when he was sent to the AHL to play some games for two months. They exposed him and let him play in the playoffs, kinda like what they did with Roberston to show them what you need to do to be a NHL player in the playoffs.

Lillypad on the other hand, I'm not sure where he fits in the orginaztion anymore, played some games for us but you would have to think this is the last year for him to make the team out of camp.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Easiest is to move Marner. Here are a few players I would try to trade for. Hopefully being able to add 2 players for Marner and in some cases still leave us cap space to add a 3rd line guy in FA

NYR 7 million
Zibanajed (JT moves to the wing)
Lafreniere

CGY (7 million)
Tkachuk - straight up.

PHI (8.5 million)
Koneckny
Loughton

VAN (10.8 million) a wash on the cap
Boeser
JT Miller

BUF (10 million)
Eichel

CBJ (10.8) has to be extensions for both players at team friendly deals
Jones
Domi

I am asking for Bjorkstrand instead of Domi if I am making a move with CBJ. Domi is negative value at this point.

Jones + Bjorkstrand + Korpisalo for Marner + Holl is a base I can see happening if the Leafs can't find a suitable one-for-one deal.

 

[ryno23]

I am asking for Bjorkstrand instead of Domi if I am making a move with CBJ. Domi is negative value at this point.

Jones + Bjorkstrand + Korpisalo for Marner + Holl is a base I can see happening if the Leafs can't find a suitable one-for-one deal.

But is Bjorkstrand much of the same a guy not willing to get dirty in the playoffs? I think Domi would relish a chance at the playoff here and not shy away from the physical play

 

[nuck]

ye not everyone was happy, but it wasnt a universally disliked move. most thought it was a decent get.

I guess you have to look at that one as Dubas having way more inside info than what we were party to as fans. Because many fans agreed doesn't make it a smart move as it was calculated on Nick playing at a higher level than he had all season, and he couldn't deliver. KD is supposed to be making decisions based on better intel and it didn't work out, like the Thornton and Simmonds signings, calculated risks. If things pan out like with Campbell and Spezza he gets the glory so he gets to wear the horns too.

 

[Legion34]

In fairness to Foligno, he was very good in his first few games prior to aggravating his injury.

But why would we pay a first for a guy who had injuries leading up to it? That’s the issue. Personally I wanted to keep this first more than others. With the pandemic and our staff more likely to have a top player slip to 25

 

[Gabriel426]

I really think Columbus will be Marner's destination.
BJs can't afford to resign the players and even if trading them away, none of the pieces coming back will be as good as Marner and also at 6mil for the next 4 years.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

RD Seth Jones
RW Oliver Bjorkstrand
G Joonas Korpisalo


RW Mitch Marner
RD Justin Holl

I don't see a Marner trade, but that would be a base I imagine Dubas could consider. Also don't worry about the ordering of the pairings... They will both be playing quite a bit.

Kerfoot taken in expansion. Malgin and Engvall traded for picks.

Sandin, Robertson, Anderson, Bogosian, and Brooks are your primary competition.

I really don't think this team needs a huge identity overhaul. Moving Marner sends a message and eliminates a guy who is too one-dimensional for our team.

 

[djdev]

I guess you have to look at that one as Dubas having way more inside info than what we were party to as fans. Because many fans agreed doesn't make it a smart move as it was calculated on Nick playing at a higher level than he had all season, and he couldn't deliver. KD is supposed to be making decisions based on better intel and it didn't work out, like the Thornton and Simmonds signings, calculated risks. If things pan out like with Campbell and Spezza he gets the glory so he gets to wear the horns too.

fans are fans, they have their own ways of running stuff clearly. every single analyst that gets paid to talk hockey all agreed it was the correct move, he got injured..i dont know how dubas is supposed to at fault for that.