Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[hullsy47]

Anderson has just 12 points in his last 45 games.

Tavares is 3 points shy of a PPG in his Leaf regular season games and has 8 points in 13 playoff games including the one he got knocked out in this year.

One of these players is actually good. Hint: It's not Anderson.

Nothing wrong with tavsras 29 0ther teams would have given him 9 million at least..
His wife and nimself chose toronto to raise the family and be a good human being
This all boils down to the leafs deciding if they can win the fan base back for marner he just needed to produce and he didn't

 

[Dragao6]

Nothing wrong with tavsras 29 0ther teams would have given him 9 million at least..
His wife and nimself chose toronto to raise the family and be a good human being
This all boils down to the leafs deciding if they can win the fan base back for marner he just needed to produce and he didn't

Well if he truly wanted the leafs then he would have accepted less
At the time I was really hoping but I put 10 as the absolute max
Not just because of his value but also it will heavily affect other contracts with the kids.
I’m fine with matthews and nylander should have stayed at 6 at the time take it or leave it but his contract isn’t an issue

the marner one though wow, specially looking at kucherov as comparable
These kids haven’t won anything

 

[Cor]

Nothing wrong with tavsras 29 0ther teams would have given him 9 million at least..
His wife and nimself chose toronto to raise the family and be a good human being
This all boils down to the leafs deciding if they can win the fan base back for marner he just needed to produce and he didn't

San Jose offered 13M. Isles and another team offered 12M.

Tavares, nor his contract are the issue.

It's the Marner one.

 

[Dreakmur]

San Jose offered 13M. Isles and another team offered 12M.

Tavares, nor his contract are the issue.

It's the Marner one.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Cor]

They aren't mutually exclusive.

That is correct.

 

[Dreakmur]

That is correct.

Both contracts are an issue.

 

[Cor]

Both contracts are an issue.

Not really. Tavares is still generating offense at an elite rate. He had some finishing issues, but that was mainly a sh% issue. This season was Tavares' 3rd lowest of his career, and well below his career average. So unless you think Tavares has forgotten how to shoot effectively, it's likely we are going to see that sh% climb next season, and his usual goal pace return.

The issues with Marner are much more deep rooted. On the surface, Mitch Marner produces and performs like one of the best players in the league. His defensive ability is almost underrated at this point, and his offensive ability speaks to itself. He also is a respectable PKer. However, there appears to be a mental block with Mitch Marner in which the player he is in the last few playoff series, versus the player he is in the regular season, are entirely different.

The best case scenario, is Marner remaining a Leaf, and gets passed that mental block, and can be the player he is, in the playoffs. He's shown flashes before (the 17-18 series), so we know it's possible.

However, that brings us into a discussion of whether it's possible, in this flat cap world, to build a team with 3 11M players. But that discussion is more about team building strategy, and doesn't affect whether a player is worth it or not.

 

[Legion34]

Both contracts are an issue.

meh. Plenty of players are still productive from 30-34. Tavares has 4 years left. He will probably move to wing at some point as he gets older. But he can easily still play.

marner is 1.5 overpaid. That’s about the extent of the bad contracts we have.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

sour grape all around I see. If the ultimate goal is winning the cup then he's ahead in my book.

Did Josh Anderson win the cup or something?

I think he's better than his numbers have shown, but frankly, 5.5x7 was a huge risk for a guy with his injuries and he didn't have a good year at all. That contract in a flat cap environment, for a guy who plays the way he does (likely to degrade even faster) is one of the more onerous ones in the league at this point.

 

[Torontonian]

Both contracts are an issue.

I guess you didn't see the huge improvement Tavares made in his game this season becoming defensively sound while having 50 points in 56 games. His offensive struggled at the start of the year because of this and was still 6 points away from being a PPG.JT has been a PPG since joining the Leafs and I can see him being a PPG moving forward.

Marner is another issue though

 

[Dreakmur]

I guess you didn't see the huge improvement Tavares made in his game this season becoming defensively sound while having 50 points in 56 games. His offensive struggled at the start of the year because of this and was still 6 points away from being a PPG.JT has been a PPG since joining the Leafs and I can see him being a PPG moving forward.

Marner is another issue though

Tavares would have to be Selke-level defensively to be worth 11 million while scoring at less than a point per game.

 

[Dreakmur]

meh. Plenty of players are still productive from 30-34. Tavares has 4 years left. He will probably move to wing at some point as he gets older. But he can easily still play.

If he ever gets moves to the wing, that contract is a disaster. Wingers aren’t worth 11 million, especially wingers who only play wing because they can no longer play centre.

 

[Legion34]

I am personally against signing Hyman Back based on the rumoured numbers. But that being said. M

ek got 5.25 x 8
RNH got 5.125 x 8.

Ek is a 24 year old c
RNH is a multiple time 60 pt C.

I mean. Hyman has to come in less
Than them right? Like 4 tops on a long term deal

 

[darrylsittler27]

I know one thing, this is the year the cap mess manifests. The goal is to win a cup, not gamble to win a round. This team is several players away from a cup.

 

[showtime8]

I am personally against signing Hyman Back based on the rumoured numbers. But that being said. M

ek got 5.25 x 8
RNH got 5.125 x 8.

Ek is a 24 year old c
RNH is a multiple time 60 pt C.

I mean. Hyman has to come in less
Than them right? Like 4 tops on a long term deal

Are you talking about a Generic GM contract or a Dubas contract?

The number has to be less than 4.5 for it to make sense.

Regardless, I don't think there's any way that the Leafs can afford to have Hyman back in the fold unless they move a top 4 forward contract.

 

[Brobust]

I am personally against signing Hyman Back based on the rumoured numbers. But that being said. M

ek got 5.25 x 8
RNH got 5.125 x 8.

Ek is a 24 year old c
RNH is a multiple time 60 pt C.

I mean. Hyman has to come in less
Than them right? Like 4 tops on a long term deal

All it take is for one team to really obsess over him.

My guess is the Rangers.

 

[Stephen]

San Jose offered 13M. Isles and another team offered 12M.

Tavares, nor his contract are the issue.

It's the Marner one.

I find both contracts to be problems, but obviously for different reasons.

Before he came to Toronto, I was never particularly a huge fan of Tavares and thought he largely didn't live up to the massive hype that had followed him in the early part of his OHL career before his draft season.

Some of the common HFBoards comparisons were Jonathan Toews and Steven Stamkos during the early part of his career in the NHL. Tavares was sort of in the neither nor middle child out of the three, having neither the offensive production and spectacular goal scoring of a Stamkos or the big game championship winning pedigree of a Toews.

Fast forward to present, Tavares is a fine player and showed signs of fighting through what looked like premature decline, so hopefully we still have a near PPG player to work with entering next season. But with the flat cap and the Leafs underachieving for the last few years, you can see things have already failed to go according to the script. Obviously the plan would have seen Toronto take gradual steps and win playoff rounds and with the cap increasing at a reasonable rate could have purchased more finishing pieces before the Hyman, Andersen (and next year Rielly) deals ran out. We are well past that point now and spinning wheels.

The Marner angle has been covered so I'll just leave that one alone but we know what the talking points are.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I am personally against signing Hyman Back based on the rumoured numbers. But that being said. M

ek got 5.25 x 8
RNH got 5.125 x 8.

Ek is a 24 year old c
RNH is a multiple time 60 pt C.

I mean. Hyman has to come in less
Than them right? Like 4 tops on a long term deal

You'd like to think so, but the media really likes to drum up his value and ultimately teams don't know exactly what other teams are offering. If SN/TSN are reporting that he's looking at 5.5×6 it isn't doing us any favours if the interested parties believe that's his market price.

 

[Stephen]

All it take is for one team to really obsess over him.

My guess is the Rangers.

The Ranger have overcommitted to LW as it is with Panarin, Lafreniere, Kreider and I would be surprised if your guess was correct.

 

[Rielly4]

I get that JT had better offers and was a big ticket UFA. So it makes sense he got that kind of contract. That being said Marner is a considerably better player than JT so I dont see how Marners contract can be bad and JTs isnt.

 

[Stephen]

You'd like to think so, but the media really likes to drum up his value and ultimately teams don't know exactly what other teams are offering. If SN/TSN are reporting that he's looking at 5.5×6 it isn't doing us any favours if the interested parties believe that's his market price.

I look at the kind of success Coleman and Goodrow have had with the Lightning and if they were on the Leafs closing in on their second cup win, I suspect Dreger and Friedman would be whispering $10 million AAV. Flat cap or none.

 

[Brobust]

The Ranger have overcommitted to LW as it is with Panarin, Lafreniere, Kreider and I would be surprised if your guess was correct.

Hyman can play both wings.

 

[Stephen]

I get that JT had better offers and was a big ticket UFA. So it makes sense he got that kind of contract. That being said Marner is a considerably better player than JT so I dont see how Marners contract can be bad and JTs isnt.

They're both bad contracts justified by pointing at each other, and built on the original sin of having to pay for Tavares on the UFA market.

In house though, Marner gives you the better bang for the buck from an offensive production POV, but again, we all know where he falls short.

 

[Stephen]

Hyman can play both wings.

I think they would be looking at spending their cash on center strength and bonafide power forwards.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I get that JT had better offers and was a big ticket UFA. So it makes sense he got that kind of contract. That being said Marner is a considerably better player than JT so I dont see how Marners contract can be bad and JTs isnt.

Neither are worth their deals, but we had RFA leverage with Marner. Our offer for Tavares had to best up to 30 other teams. With Marner we always had four 1st round picks and the cap space to fall back on. Dubas let the Marner camp walk all over him from the second the Matthews deal was signed and ended up not only giving him comically high UFA money, but made himself look like a fool in the process.