Trades & Free Agency Thread - Still Too Soon Off-Season Edition

[Dreakmur]

Stars went cold. That's the explanation.

Ok, so stats don’t really mean that much then?

 

[Dreakmur]

He hasn't showed up in the playoffs since getting paid...and 0 PP goals in his last 73 regular season games despite the most PP TOI...terrible.

It’s not just since getting paid, it’s been since he became a checking target.

 

[Dreakmur]

I doubt kerfoot is gone. Seattle won't take him at 3.5M and they have better options in dermott or Holl. Most likely dermott is gone

Look at who else will be available. Holl and Dermott aren’t even in the top dozen defensemen that will be exposed.

Kerfoot isn’t even a centre, and he might be the best centre available.

 

[rumman]

You don't need to overhaul your entire roster every year to improve your team either.

Kerfoot, Hyman, Thornton, Galchenyuk, Foligno, and Simmonds are all regulars who may not be back next year. If you add Mikheyev and Engvall to that list as well, you are only looking at the Big 4 and Spezza coming back next year.

I highly doubt the Leafs are overhauling half of their offense. Bringing in 5 new guys, which is likely what is going to happen this year, is already fairly excessive.

maybe addressing the problem instead of replacing the fringes would help? Just an idea........

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I doubt kerfoot is gone. Seattle won't take him at 3.5M and they have better options in dermott or Holl. Most likely dermott is gone

Hyman will be replaced by Bunting or someone similar

Galchenyuk will be back I think but if we move on it will be an internal replacement like Robertson

Foligno was barely a leaf and was a trade deadline rental so he wasn't even in the plans long-term

Leafs are going to most likely have 4 of the same 6 bottom 6 players

They probably add 1 top 6 LW and 1 3rd line LW.

It's looking busy but doing nothing. We aren't making any significant adjustments to the roster and are going to be keeping the same bottom 6 play style which will not succeed in the playoffs.

Mikheyev won't be retained next year on a new deal. He's a guy that will either go back to the KHL if he stinks or have a rebound year and sign somewhere with more money available.

We should be using him to gain 2 mid round picks in 2021 and 2022 as we have next to no picks the next 2 drafts and a weak prospect pool in general

Kerfoot is one of the better forwards they can get in expansion and he is paid fairly at 3.5 mill. Seattle likely takes him if we make him available. The question is whether the Leafs trade him first (same with Dermott/Holl).

 

[rumman]

He hasn't showed up in the playoffs since getting paid...and 0 PP goals in his last 73 regular season games despite the most PP TOI...terrible.

and why would he? He's probably happy to have the extra time to iron all that money?

 

[Cor]

You don't need to overhaul your entire roster every year to improve your team either.

Kerfoot, Hyman, Thornton, Galchenyuk, Foligno, and Simmonds are all regulars who may not be back next year. If you add Mikheyev and Engvall to that list as well, you are only looking at the Big 4 and Spezza coming back next year.

I highly doubt the Leafs are overhauling half of their offense. Bringing in 5 new guys, which is likely what is going to happen this year, is already fairly excessive.

Kerfoot is likely taken expansion
Hyman is too pricey, so likely won't be back.
Thornton was ungood
Simmonds was mostly ungood
Galchenyuk and Foligno I'd bring back though, if possible, but I think Foligno goes back to Columbus and we might look for someone better than Galchenyuk for L2, and he doesn't really fit on L3 or L4.

Mikheyev will be back next year. He's good on the PK, and is a tremendous defensively. We know there's some form of offensive potential. I wouldn't even hate if he got a shot on L1 or L2 in more offensive start situations to see if it can be squeezed out. But at 1.65M, on L3 and PK, he's very good value and should be kept.

Engvall.... Ideally is only on L4, and frankly, he's fine there. But, if we can recoup a draft pick for him, give Joey Anderson that spot, and save 500K in the process, I feel like that's something that can happen.

So, other than Mikheyev, I can see why all the others wouldn't be back.

 

[Brobust]

It’s not just since getting paid, it’s been since he became a checking target.

He's a playmaker. Don't blame him when Zach Hyman can't finish his chances.

 

[Brobust]

Kerfoot is likely taken expansion
Hyman is too pricey, so likely won't be back.
Thornton was ungood
Simmonds was mostly ungood
Galchenyuk and Foligno I'd bring back though, if possible, but I think Foligno goes back to Columbus and we might look for someone better than Galchenyuk for L2, and he doesn't really fit on L3 or L4.

Mikheyev will be back next year. He's good on the PK, and is a tremendous defensively. We know there's some form of offensive potential. I wouldn't even hate if he got a shot on L1 or L2 in more offensive start situations to see if it can be squeezed out. But at 1.65M, on L3 and PK, he's very good value and should be kept.

Engvall.... Ideally is only on L4, and frankly, he's fine there. But, if we can recoup a draft pick for him, give Joey Anderson that spot, and save 500K in the process, I feel like that's something that can happen.

So, other than Mikheyev, I can see why all the others wouldn't be back.

The Spezza signing was basically to meet expansion requirements. They'r protecting 7 forwards.

 

[leafsfan5]

They are playing in a defensive role and they still put up 25-30 points a year while not giving up much defensively. They are not dead cap.

I also highly doubt the Leafs want to completely overhaul their bottom 6 + PK.

So we don't want to overhaul the bottom 6, want to keep the core the same, the defense is good so won't change too much for that.

What are we doing then?? Like what's the plan here for the team.

 

[Brobust]

So we don't want to overhaul the bottom 6, want to keep the core the same, the defense is good so won't change too much for that.

What are we doing then?? Like what's the plan here for the team.

I think they'll look for a reliable LW finisher to either replace Hyman or push him to the 3rd line.

 

[leafsfan5]

I think they'll look for a reliable LW finisher to either replace Hyman or push him to the 3rd line.

That isn't enough to make any genuine change to the club. Next year will be the same, or we'll miss the playoffs altogether

The identity of the core and team is the same, keep shuffling the chairs around them

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Kerfoot is likely taken expansion
Hyman is too pricey, so likely won't be back.
Thornton was ungood
Simmonds was mostly ungood
Galchenyuk and Foligno I'd bring back though, if possible, but I think Foligno goes back to Columbus and we might look for someone better than Galchenyuk for L2, and he doesn't really fit on L3 or L4.

Mikheyev will be back next year. He's good on the PK, and is a tremendous defensively. We know there's some form of offensive potential. I wouldn't even hate if he got a shot on L1 or L2 in more offensive start situations to see if it can be squeezed out. But at 1.65M, on L3 and PK, he's very good value and should be kept.

Engvall.... Ideally is only on L4, and frankly, he's fine there. But, if we can recoup a draft pick for him, give Joey Anderson that spot, and save 500K in the process, I feel like that's something that can happen.

So, other than Mikheyev, I can see why all the others wouldn't be back.

I would be fine with Foligno if we can't get a guy like Goodrow, but he'd have to come at 1.5 mill or less. Foligno doesn't bring more value than that, and he should not be any higher than a defensive specialist on a two-way bottom 6 line. He also needs speed on his line.

Foligno/Goodrow - Haula - Granlund
Mikheyev - Semyonov - Spezza

You have a two-way speed element (Mikheyev + Haula), a playmaking element that still go into tight areas, plays a decent defensive game, and still has a respectable shot (Granlund + Spezza), and a physical defensive specialist who are known for working hard and bringing energy (Foligno/Goodrow + Semyonov).

Also, Semyonov + Mikheyev have played together since they were 6 years old so I don't think chemistry is going to be an issue.

 

[Brobust]

That isn't enough to make any genuine change to the club. Next year will be the same, or we'll miss the playoffs altogether

The identity of the core and team is the same, keep shuffling the chairs around them

Don't know what to tell you. I guess you'll be miserable for the next year too.

Personally, I'm happy to see most of them back except for the Thornton and Spezza. Maybe a Holl upgrade would be good too.

 

[Dreakmur]

He's a playmaker. Don't blame him when Zach Hyman can't finish his chances.

But the stats should have projected that, right?

If not, how valuable are they?

 

[leafsfan5]

Don't know what to tell you. I guess you'll be miserable for the next year too.

Personally, I'm happy to see most of them back except for the Thornton and Spezza. Maybe a Holl upgrade would be good too.

Won't be miserable lol, there will just be no expectations of any kind of success for the club. They are who they are

You're not happy they're bringing back Spezza? He was one of our most impactful playoffs given his ice time and contract

 

[hamzarocks]

Kerfoot is one of the better forwards they can get in expansion and he is paid fairly at 3.5 mill. Seattle likely takes him if we make him available. The question is whether the Leafs trade him first (same with Dermott/Holl).

You overrate Kerfoot considerably, he's a meh 3C despite his strong playoffs. Doubt he gets selected. A lot better options and he isn't a top 6 player. Using him on the third line is already not working in Toronto so if SEA are trying to win off the bat they won't be looking to copy our model of having him play an important role in the top 9

He has a poor shot, poor puck control, and is a bad decision-maker with the puck on his stick. He is very streaky and his production generally comes when paired with strong talent (JT and Willy)

 

[Brobust]

Won't be miserable lol, there will just be no expectations of any kind of success for the club. They are who they are

You're not happy they're bringing back Spezza? He was one of our most impactful playoffs given his ice time and contract

Sorry, meant Simmonds.

The playoffs were miserable for sure. But I really liked what they did during the regular season. 1 good forward gives them more flexibility and I think they'll surprise, even in the Atlantic.

 

[Brobust]

You overrate Kerfoot considerably, he's a meh 3C despite his strong playoffs. Doubt he gets selected. A lot better options and he isn't a top 6 player. Using him on the third line is already not working in Toronto so if SEA are trying to win off the bat they won't be looking to copy our model of having him play an important role in the top 9

Yeah, Toronto's going to protect him anyway so the debate is kind of pointless.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It’s not just since getting paid, it’s been since he became a checking target.

Are we watching the same games? Marner had at the very least 3 wide open nets against Montreal that he fanned on or tried to get too fancy with.

Nobody is bullying him or checking him off pucks, if it was that easy to stop him people would do it in the regular season as well. There's something wrong with his brain and it gets significantly worse when the pressure rises, he makes baffling choices despite having time and space.

Turning the puck over by trying to force a Pee-wee shot from the blue line as the last man back is not the result of increased checking, it's an unforced error from his crumbling mental state. The kid was crying in the penalty box, that's not checking that's whatever Paul has put in his head for 20+ years.

At least if he got rocked by someone and started playing bad after that, I could understand blaming the checking. But to be honest I can't even remember the last time I saw Marner take a normal hit let alone an actually hard one.

 

[hamzarocks]

Yeah, Toronto's going to protect him anyway so the debate is kind of pointless.

would be better to trade him and get a 3rd rounder atleast. Need some picks and clearing up his cap space lets us get a shot at adding a better 3C, potentially including the Marner/Matthews Stopper in Danult.

 

[Dreakmur]

You overrate Kerfoot considerably, he's a meh 3C despite his strong playoffs. Doubt he gets selected. A lot better options and he isn't a top 6 player. Using him on the third line is already not working in Toronto so if SEA are trying to win off the bat they won't be looking to copy our model of having him play an important role in the top 9

Some teams might do something different, but this is who I see getting exposed:

Anaheim
Troy Terry, Sonny Milano, Derek Grant, Nicolas Deslauriers, Danton Heinen
Kevin Shattenkirk, Haydn Fleury, Jacob Larsson
Anthony Stolarz

Arizona
Tyler Pithlick, Christian Fischer,
Ilya Lyubishkin
Aidin Hill

Boston
Craig Smith, Chris Wagner,
Connor Clifton, Jakub Zboril
Callum Booth

Buffalo
Kyle Okposo, Cody Eakin, Zemgus Girginsons, Tage Thompson
Colin Miller
Dustin Tokarski

Calgary
Mikael Backlund, Andrew Mangiapane
Mark Giordano, Oliver Kylington
Tyler Parsons

Carolina
Jesper Fast, Steven Lorentz
Brady Skjei, Jake Gardiner
Jeremy Helvig

Chicago
Brett Connolly, Ryan Carpenter
Calvin de Haan, Nikita Zadorov
Colin Dalia, Malcolm Subban

Colorado
Nazem Kadri, TJ Compher
Devon Toews, Ryan Graves
Hunter Miska

Columbus
Kevin Stenlund, Eric Robinson
Dean Kukan
Matts Kilveneska

Dallas
Jason Dickinson, Blake Comeau, Tanner Kero
Andrej Sekera, Joel Hanley
Anton Khudobin

Detroit
Frans Neilson, Richard Panik
Troy Stecher, Dennis Cholowski
Kaden Fulcher

Edmonton
James Neal, Kyle Turris, Devin Shore, Juhjar Khaira
Kris Russell, Caleb Jones
Mikko Koskinen

Florida
Mason Marchment, Ryan Lumberg, Anthony Duclair, Lucas Wallmark
Anton Stralman, Radko Gudas, Markus Nutivaara
Samuel Montembealt

Los Angeles
Blake Lizotte, Carl Grundstrom, Lias Anderson, Andreas Athanasiou
Olli Maatta, Curits MacDermid
Jonathan Quick

Minnesota
Victor Rask, Nico Sturm
Matt Dumba, Carson Soucy
Kaapo Kahkonen

Montreal
Jonathan Drouin, Paul Byron
Joel Edmundson, Brett Kulak
Jake Allen

Nashville
Ryan Johanson, Matt Duchene, Colton Scissons, Nick Cousins, Yakov Trenin
Mark Boroweiki, Matt Benning
Connor Ingram

New Jersey
Andreas Johansson, Nathan Bastian
Will Butcher
Evan Cormier

New York
Andrew Ladd, Cal Clutterbuck, Leo Komarov, Matt Martin
Scott Mayfield
Ken Appleby

New York
Kevin Rooney, Colin Blackwell, Julian Gauthier
Anthony Deangelo
Keith Kinkaid

Ottawa
Chris Tierney, Austin Watson
Josh Brown
Anton Forsberg

Philadelphia
Oskar Lindholm, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Nolan Patrick
Shane Gostisbehere, Justin Braun, Robert Hagg
Felix Sandstrom

Pittsburgh
Matt Zucker, Jeff Carter
Marcus Petterson, Chad Ruhwedel
Casey DeSmith

San Jose
Kevin Lebanc, Matt Nieto
Radim Simek
Josef Korenar

St. Louis
Oskar Sundqvist, Sammy Blais,
Marco Scandello, Vince Dunn, Robert Bortuzzo
Ville Husso

Tampa Bay
Tyler Johnson, Patrick Maroon, Mathieu Joseph
Erik Cernak
Spencer Martin

Vancouver
Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, Jake Virtanen, Jay Beagle, Zach McEwan, Matthew Highmore
Madison Bowey
Braden Holtby

Washington
Carl Hagelin, Conor Sheary
Brendan Dillon, Nick Jensen, Michal Kampny, Trevor van Riemsdayk
Vitek Vanecek

Winnipeg
Mason Appleton, Janson Harkins
Nathan Beaulieu, Sami Niku
Mikhail Berdin

Looking at that, Alex Kerfoot is easily the most appealing Maple Leaf.

Mangiapane - Johansen - Lebanc
Zucker - Kerfoot - Sheary
Panik - Tierney - Smith
Robinson - Shore- Aube-Kubel

(Thompson, Appleton, Blackwell, Bastian, Marchment, Grundstrom)

Toews - Dumba
Skjei - Cernak
deHaan - Mayfield

(Shattenkirk, Dunn)

Allen
Hill

(Holtby, Khudobin)

 

[WTFMAN99]

would be better to trade him and get a 3rd rounder atleast. Need some picks and clearing up his cap space lets us get a shot at adding a better 3C, potentially including the Marner/Matthews Stopper in Danult.

I think you're most likely looking at someone like Haula coming in for 3C.

Some teams might do something different, but this is who I see getting exposed:

Looking at that, Alex Kerfoot is easily the most appealing Maple Leaf.

Mangiapane - Johansen - Lebanc
Zucker - Kerfoot - Sheary
Panik - Tierney - Smith
Robinson - Shore- Aube-Kubel

(Thompson, Appleton, Blackwell, Bastian, Marchment, Grundstrom)

Toews - Dumba
Skjei - Cernak
deHaan - Mayfield

(Shattenkirk, Dunn)

Allen
Hill

(Holtby, Khudobin)

Leddy likely the exposed party in NYI
Lucic waiving in CGY - Mangipage staying
Johansen likely protected, Duchene probably not.
Lebanc and Rielly Smith don't need to be exposed either.

Believe Toews will be protected in COL too, expectation is they're asking Erik Johnson to waive ot may buy him out.

 

[Brobust]

would be better to trade him and get a 3rd rounder atleast. Need some picks and clearing up his cap space lets us get a shot at adding a better 3C, potentially including the Marner/Matthews Stopper in Danult.

Nope. they really like him. I'm guessing the ask is 1st round pick or a top 6 forward in return.

If teams don't like the price, they'll be happy to keep him.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah, Toronto's going to protect him anyway so the debate is kind of pointless.

They're gonna protect him thinking they can get a good return... then realize he's not very valuable and decide to keep him.