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showtime8 said:
Would there be any opportunity with the Leafs trading for a guy like Boris Katchouk? Played in the Soo and could be a prospect for prospect swap. He could play in the bottom 6 immediately as well.
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I like that idea. I've always been a fan. He gets better every year and had some very solid AHL numbers this year. He kind of projects to be a Conner Brown type (with maybe less scoring). Good in all situations.
 
Stigma said:
I like that idea. I've always been a fan. He gets better every year and had some very solid AHL numbers this year. He kind of projects to be a Conner Brown type (with maybe less scoring). Good in all situations.
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To me there is two options with how to go about the trade.

The first option would be for the Leafs to trade a recent draft pick that projects to take a bit longer time developing like Hirvonen, but might have some upside, while Tampa figures out their cap situation going forward.

The second option is a Brooks, Anderson or SDA type of prospect in a straight swap.

I know Tampa is looking for cheaper contracts moving forward as they are significantly over the cap already, but I'm sure Seattle takes one of their bigger forward contracts.
 
WayneTrain said:
You listed what I'd be okay with as a 4th line. Brooks-Spezza-Anderson. Young legs on either side of Spezza to get the youthful juices flowing. A guy who can coach them both up on the bench, and do a lot of talking on ice. Think it'd be a line that brings a lot of energy. I've been impressed with the play of Brooks, and he was one of very few Leafs to initiate a scrum in that Habs series. Anderson plays a hard forechecking game. I think this line could be good and super cheap. Include Robertson on the 3rd line and the fact our starter next year makes 1.65m, it leave us with some extra spending money.
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I listed guys who would be exposed in the draft.
 
Brobust said:
He's a UFA. I think there's a high chance that Dubas and co will pitch him a good plan to get him into the NHL.

Imagine the tears if Ho Sang - Tavares tear it up for the leafs.
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Honestly, Ho Sang is probably not a bad bet. If they're dumpster diving on guys like Galchenyuk, you may as well go look for high talent guys like Ho Sang. Florida had a lot of success with guys like Duclair and Verhaeghe who are on the younger side who have the skill and the fresh legs.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Dubas was reasonably confident in a lot of things last year.

I actually don’t think they’ll take Spezza, but that’s what I would do.

I’m more worried they skip the players we hope they take and scoop up Adam Brooks. I think it’s more important to protect Brooks and Anderson than Holl and Dermott, so 7-3-1 with Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl, Dermott and Hutchinson exposed.
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you would take the guy that will retire if you take him ...you'd be fired pretty fast
 
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Stephen said:
Honestly, Ho Sang is probably not a bad bet. If they're dumpster diving on guys like Galchenyuk, you may as well go look for high talent guys like Ho Sang. Florida had a lot of success with guys like Duclair and Verhaeghe who are on the younger side who have the skill and the fresh legs.
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Is Ho Sang still part of the Islanders organization or is he a free agent?
 
showtime8 said:
To me there is two options with how to go about the trade.

The first option would be for the Leafs to trade a recent draft pick that projects to take a bit longer time developing like Hirvonen, but might have some upside, while Tampa figures out their cap situation going forward.

The second option is a Brooks, Anderson or SDA type of prospect in a straight swap.

I know Tampa is looking for cheaper contracts moving forward as they are significantly over the cap already, but I'm sure Seattle takes one of their bigger forward contracts.
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Yeah, that trade scenario would definitely depend on the Tampa situation. To date, they haven't squeezed him in and he's more than ready to play. Maybe he wants a chance elsewhere?

What they ask for may be hard to predict. My guess, given that Katchouk is trending to becoming a regular bottom 6 player, is that they ask for one of our 2nd tier type of prospects. Abruzzeese, Miettenen, Abramov, Ovichnikov, Hirvonen. That type.

Anyway, I like Katchouk as potentially one of those hard-nosed players we find ourselves.
 
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Moves I'd like to see of we are sticking with the same core

1. Trade Travis Dermotts' rights for a 2021 3rd and a 2022 4th.

Teams who could be interested are LA Kings, Winnipeg Jets, Detroit Redwings

2. Pierre Engvall for a 2021 5th round pick

Teams who could be interested are Edm, Colorado, Arizona

3. Ilya Mikheyev for 2021 4th and 2022 5th

Teams who could be interested are Boston, Chicago, San Jose

Basically this is getting rid of the garbage depth that fails to perform on our team due to contradicting playoff style then what we need in the bottom 6. We recoup mid round pick in the next 2 years drafts which is really important for us.

UFA Signings:

Chris Dreiger 2M x 3
Michael Bunting 1M x 2
Ryan Getzlaf 1M x 1
Zach Bogo 1.2 x 1
Jamie Oleksiak 2.2 x 2
Casey Cizikas 3M x 4
Galchenyuk 1.2M x 1
Perry 1M x 1
Brock McGinnis 2.2 x 3

Expansion draft: The Kraken take Kerfoot helping us save 3.5M which goes towards Cizikas

Lineup

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
McGinn - JT -Nylander
Robertson - Getzlaf - Galchenyuk
Spezza - Cizikas - Perry

Defense

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzim - Holl
Oleksiak - Lilijgren


Campbell
Dreidger

Bogo 7th D
Brooks extra forward

Sandin AHL top pairing and 1st call up

Cap works to be: ~80.5M leaving around 1M in cap space
 
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Stephen said:
Honestly, Ho Sang is probably not a bad bet. If they're dumpster diving on guys like Galchenyuk, you may as well go look for high talent guys like Ho Sang. Florida had a lot of success with guys like Duclair and Verhaeghe who are on the younger side who have the skill and the fresh legs.
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Verhaeghe - Barkov - Duclair was so effective. That line is my biggest takeaway from these playoffs. If Toronto followed that philosophy they'd have 3 amazing lines.

Florida would probably have made the 2nd round and further if they weren't so undisciplined. Even with their goalie issues.
 
hamzarocks said:
Moves I'd like to see of we are sticking with the same core

1. Trade Travis Dermotts' rights for a 2021 3rd and a 2022 4th.

Teams who could be interested are LA Kings, Winnipeg Jets, Detroit Redwings

2. Pierre Engvall for a 2021 5th round pick

Teams who could be interested are Edm, Colorado, Arizona

3. Ilya Mikheyev for 2021 4th and 2022 5th

Teams who could be interested are Boston, Chicago, San Jose

Basically this is getting rid of the garbage depth that fails to perform on our team due to contradicting playoff style then what we need in the bottom 6. We recoup mid round pick in the next 2 years drafts which is really important for us.

UFA Signings:

Chris Dreiger 2M x 3
Michael Bunting 1M x 2
Ryan Getzlaf 1M x 1
Zach Bogo 1.2 x 1
Jamie Oleksiak 2.2 x 2
Casey Cizikas 3M x 4
Galchenyuk 1.2M x 1
Perry 1M x 1
Brock McGinnis 2.2 x 3

Expansion draft: The Kraken take Kerfoot helping us save 3.5M which goes towards Cizikas

Lineup

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
McGinn - JT -Nylander
Robertson - Getzlaf - Galchenyuk
Spezza - Cizikas - Perry

Defense

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzim - Holl
Oleksiak - Lilijgren


Campbell
Dreidger

Bogo 7th D
Brooks extra forward

Sandin AHL top pairing and 1st call up

Cap works to be: ~80.5M leaving around 1M in cap space
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That's ugly.

Bunting is a huge gamble. He might not even be an NHL quality player.

McGinn is a 3rd or 4th line winger.

Getzlaf is done. He was worse than Thornton last year.
 
Dreakmur said:
That's ugly.

Bunting is a huge gamble. He might not even be an NHL quality player.

McGinn is a 3rd or 4th line winger.

Getzlaf is done. He was worse than Thornton last year.
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I think Getzlaf bounces back. He was a 50+ point center on the 2019 and 2020 Ducks, last year was bad but he had injuries and no real motivation to play.

I think he will rebound better than Spezza did on the leafs and can be a 50 point 3C who runs PP1 for us.

Bunting is a lesser gamble than what Zito did when he took Verhaghe on a 2 year deal. Verhaghe became a 60+ point winger on the Panthers top line this year. Bunting has dominant AHL stats, is 25, has solid size and is a Scarborough boy entering his prime (vs Simmonds who was one at the end of his career). Bunting is the exact calculated target Dubas has to make. 2 Years for cheap (1M) and give him the top LW spot to play with AM34 and Marner to develop chemistry and produce. He is a must get for me and a guy that plays either top line or 2nd line to maximize his value and have a 50+ point top 6er for 2 years at 1M (and then who is replaced internally by Amirov)

McGinn is a 30ish point 3LW who has a feisty style and is good on the forecheck. He is a good player who has shown to work harder in the playoffs and fits into the killer intensity thing having scored some huge playoff goals for the Canes (Capitals had the OT winner in game 7). He sticks at 2LW and gets a shot to be a consistent 2018 Zach Hyman type player or we can reshift the lines to have Galchenyuk move up (or Robertson slide to 2LW if he shows he is ready).

This lineup has a strong bottom 6, that has skill, speed, IQ and toughness.

Cizikas and Perry are the grinding forecheckers who throw hits and can drop the gloves al while having a scoring touch

Spezza and Getzlaf are the savvy veterans who can still contribute at a quality level making near league minimum. They will work far better than Thornton (who was 41 and clearly washed up) and Simmonds (body was broken down and he couldn't;t hold the puck as well as in his youth). Getzlaf is also a proven winner and terrific leader unlike Joe/Marleau were, and has 120 points in 125 playoff games. He is a guy who can step up and handle the pressure.

Robertson and Galchenyuk are the speed/skill and offense creators for the bottom 6 with both having unique chance generation abilities. We can drop AG to the 4th line and move Perry up for more balance but overall both have the ability to create offense in the zone and off the rush with the puck on their stick or as a shooting threat.

If we don't move any big players, this team is deeper, tougher, has winning leadership, and a bottom 6 that can provide offense and win playoff games. We provide a major breakout candidate with excellent shooting abilities in the top 6 and another grinding hyman-lite to play on the 2nd line. The defense is very deep with Bog and Sandin serving as the 7th and 8th defenders. We also have a goalie tandem with Campbell and Driedger battling it out for who gets to be the playoff starter.
 
hamzarocks said:
Moves I'd like to see of we are sticking with the same core

1. Trade Travis Dermotts' rights for a 2021 3rd and a 2022 4th.

Teams who could be interested are LA Kings, Winnipeg Jets, Detroit Redwings

2. Pierre Engvall for a 2021 5th round pick

Teams who could be interested are Edm, Colorado, Arizona

3. Ilya Mikheyev for 2021 4th and 2022 5th

Teams who could be interested are Boston, Chicago, San Jose

Basically this is getting rid of the garbage depth that fails to perform on our team due to contradicting playoff style then what we need in the bottom 6. We recoup mid round pick in the next 2 years drafts which is really important for us.

UFA Signings:

Chris Dreiger 2M x 3
Michael Bunting 1M x 2
Ryan Getzlaf 1M x 1
Zach Bogo 1.2 x 1
Jamie Oleksiak 2.2 x 2
Casey Cizikas 3M x 4
Galchenyuk 1.2M x 1
Perry 1M x 1
Brock McGinnis 2.2 x 3

Expansion draft: The Kraken take Kerfoot helping us save 3.5M which goes towards Cizikas

Lineup

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
McGinn - JT -Nylander
Robertson - Getzlaf - Galchenyuk
Spezza - Cizikas - Perry

Defense

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzim - Holl
Oleksiak - Lilijgren


Campbell
Dreidger

Bogo 7th D
Brooks extra forward

Sandin AHL top pairing and 1st call up

Cap works to be: ~80.5M leaving around 1M in cap space
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Dreiger and Oleksiak are big underpays. Dreiger is apparently being targeted by Seattle. Oleksiak will use Edmundson as a bar, and he's significantly better than Edmundson.

Cizikas is a crazy overpay.
 
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Brobust said:
Dreiger and Oleksiak are big underpays. Dreiger is apparently being targeted by Seattle. Oleksiak will use Edmundson as a bar, and he's significantly better than Edmundson.

Cizikas is a crazy overpay.
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Cizikas is the best 4th line center in hockey. Was making 3.5M on his last deal and proved how effective he was for the isles on their 4th line. 3M on 4 is a deal you make when your contending and your missing a piece like Cizikas in your bottom 6.

Oleksiak I'm hoping being a Toronto boy, will take a discounted deal and a prominent role (he'd play 17-18 minutes a night). Think he could be enticed to come here and serve as Lilijgren's partner on a short-term deal.

Edmunson was used more heavily when he was signed playing 20:44, 19:23, 18:27 the three years prior to signing. Oleksiak played 14:44, 15:49, and 20:23 in his most recent three years, being used in a shelter and lower role than Edmunson. I'd take Edmunson over Oleksiak for the 3LHD role on the same deal but he is already signed with the habs.

Driedger is an insert, can replace him with Bernier or Reimer. Just need a decent 1B goalie option in case Campbell struggles or gets hurt.
 
hamzarocks said:
Cizikas is the best 4th line center in hockey. Was making 3.5M on his last deal and proved how effective he was for the isles on their 4th line. 3M on 4 is a deal you make when your contending and your missing a piece like Cizikas in your bottom 6.

Oleksiak I'm hoping being a Toronto boy, will take a discounted deal and a prominent role (he'd play 17-18 minutes a night). Think he could be enticed to come here and serve as Lilijgren's partner on a short-term deal.

Edmunson was used more heavily when he was signed playing 20:44, 19:23, 18:27 the three years prior to signing. Oleksiak played 14:44, 15:49, and 20:23 in his most recent three years, being used in a shelter and lower role than Edmunson. I'd take Edmunson over Oleksiak for the 3LHD role on the same deal but he is already signed with the habs.

Driedger is an insert, can replace him with Bernier or Reimer. Just need a decent 1B goalie option in case Campbell struggles or gets hurt.
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Cizikas had 14 points in the regular season and 5 points in 19 games in the playoffs.

Ok, so maybe he was a defensive shutdown centre. Well, here are the forwards he played the most against in the playoffs: Pat Maroon, Ross Colton, Tyler Johnson. So Trotz didn't use him as such either.

When he was matched up against Crosby, Krejci, Malkin etc.: he was basically out chanced 2:1 or sometimes worse.

Whoever signs Cizikas to a multiyear deal will be the clown of the offseason. He did f*** all during the playoffs and was outplayed in almost every matchup he faced except for the Tampa 4th line.
 
Brobust said:
Verhaeghe - Barkov - Duclair was so effective. That line is my biggest takeaway from these playoffs. If Toronto followed that philosophy they'd have 3 amazing lines.

Florida would probably have made the 2nd round and further if they weren't so undisciplined. Even with their goalie issues.
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Florida also traded a second round pick and some loose change to get Sam Bennett. That was a worthwhile reclamation too and would have given us a guy who enjoys the playoffs.
 
Stephen said:
Florida also traded a second round pick and some loose change to get Sam Bennett. That was a worthwhile reclamation too and would have given us a guy who enjoys the playoffs.
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That's what happens when you bring in a skilled young player and put him with a ridiculous playmaker like Huberdeau. Maybe the leafs should have tried that with Mikheyev at some point. Instead he spent the entire season stapled to the 3rd line because of his defensive ability.
 
Brobust said:
That's what happens when you bring in a skilled young player and put him with a ridiculous playmaker like Huberdeau. Maybe the leafs should have tried that with Mikheyev at some point. Instead he spent the entire season stapled to the 3rd line because of his defensive ability.
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Might also be time to use Marner on a line where he’s not with an $11 million center to make someone light up offensively.
 
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Brobust said:
Cizikas had 14 points in the regular season and 5 points in 19 games in the playoffs.

Ok, so maybe he was a defensive shutdown centre. Well, here are the forwards he played the most against in the playoffs: Pat Maroon, Ross Colton, Tyler Johnson. So Trotz didn't use him as such either.

When he was matched up against Crosby, Krejci, Malkin etc.: he was basically out chanced 2:1 or sometimes worse.

Whoever signs Cizikas to a multiyear deal will be the clown of the offseason. He did f*** all during the playoffs and was outplayed in almost every matchup he faced except for the Tampa 4th line.
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If leafs are not comfortable with him other solid names for the 4th C are Bonino (similar deal maybe 1 year less term), Travis Zajac (Probably around 2M x 2 years), Bozak, Filppula, and Brassard. A lot of decent 4th line options, though he was the one who had the best combination of production, physicality age, and experience playing on a winning team
 
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