GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[United35]

Seems like these reporters hyping up the draft and post draft trades was BS

works like a charm for ratings etc.... got me hook line and sinker.

 

[ER89]

His moves this summer?? Please explain...

Did u just seriously ignore the lack therof portion? Explain?

 

[Antropovsky]

That was one of the most frustrating press conferences I have ever listened to.

... how did I know Dubas would use Montreal going to the final as a crutch. Also he mentions knowing the risk he's taking going into next season believing in the players to get it done. You can read between the lines and see that he knows he's on thin ice this upcoming season. He certainly doesn't seem to beaming with confidence.

He should have forced Hyman to re-sign last season or traded him for a cost-controlled asset.

He's really bled the team of all its assets... its frustrating to see a team filthy rich in assets end up with essentially nothing in a very short amount of time.

 

[Menzinger]

Im really just completely puzzled as to what Seattle is doing, or not doing I guess... and I'm absolutely floored that Carolina would just basically giveaway Ned.

The simplest answer is usually the right one. Imo they over-thought things and got too greedy in their side deal demands.

The draft strategy - focus on cheap and good defensive players - may turn out to be correct in the end, but I think they left too many good players off their list which will burn them.

 

[definedMF]

Please don't bring race into this. If this were basketball, and I said the same thing about needing more white players, how's that sound?

Honestly need to step back here pal. Hockey is for everyone, and if a minority member of the population says they would like representation on their team, in a 98% predominantly white played sport in a region as diverse as southern ontario, who LOST that representation with Kadri's departure, need not be questioned this intently.

Also khaira is decent and would be cheap. Move on.

 

[United35]

It might be hard to convince players to sign with the Leafs given how the team repeatedly gets humiliated in spectacular ways

first class organization with many player amenities.

Start looking out the windshield and not the rear view mirror

 

[The Podium]

... how did I know Dubas would use Montreal going to the final as a crutch. Also he mentions knowing the risk he's taking going into next season believing in the players to get it done. You can read between the lines and see that he knows he's on thin ice this upcoming season. He certainly doesn't seem to beaming with confidence.

He should have forced Hyman to re-sign last season or traded him for a cost-controlled asset.

He's really bled the team of all its assets... its frustrating to see a team filthy rich in assets end up with essentially nothing in a very short amount of time.

This team rich is assets had most graduate to the NHL….

 

[tronoleaf]

Honestly need to step back here pal. Hockey is for everyone, and if a minority member of the population says they would like representation on their team, in a 98% predominantly white played sport in a region as diverse as southern ontario, who LOST that representation with Kadri's departure, need not be questioned this intently.

Also khaira is decent and would be cheap. Move on.

I disagree but to each their own. There's no need to make a race comment like that. Racial representation? That has nothing to do with icing a hockey team and the comment was not needed.

Edit: for the record, I'm only half white

 

[saffronleaf]

first class organization with many player amenities.

Start looking out the windshield and not the rear view mirror

hard to tell which is which, given we're just running the same crap again

 

[Amadeus]

This team rich is assets had most graduate to the NHL….

Not really. We've only really developed Matthews, Marner and Nylander - all were top 10 picks.

No other asset, drafted by Dubas, has graduated from our farm and made any impact to be honest. Maybe a train of players are coming, but don't think they're fully developed yet in terms of strength. This tends to happen when you drafted small players.

 

[XXIV97]

Who is that handsome man in your profile picture?

It's Bob Stauffer (Oilers Now radio host) and Sarah Sanders.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not really. We've only really developed Matthews, Marner and Nylander - all were top 10 picks.

No other asset, drafted by Dubas, has graduated from our farm and made any impact to be honest. Maybe a train of players are coming, but don't think they're fully developed yet in terms of strength. This tends to happen when you drafted small players.

Who is coming from the 2018 or 2019 draft after the guys we drafted nd is ready to contribute right now?

 

[Menzinger]

Not really. We've only really developed Matthews, Marner and Nylander - all were top 10 picks.

No other asset, drafted by Dubas, has graduated from our farm and made any impact to be honest. Maybe a train of players are coming, but don't think they're fully developed yet in terms of strength. This tends to happen when you drafted small players.

We're also only three years from Dubas' first draft cycle as GM. Most non top 10 draft selections tend to take 3-5 years of development until they have their debut season.

I don't think it's particularly reasonable to expect 2-7th round picks taken in the last couple drafts by the team to be knocking on the Leafs roster this season

 

[The Podium]

Not really. We've only really developed Matthews, Marner and Nylander - all were top 10 picks.

No other asset, drafted by Dubas, has graduated from our farm and made any impact to be honest. Maybe a train of players are coming, but don't think they're fully developed yet in terms of strength. This tends to happen when you drafted small players.

What?! Kapanen, Johnson, Dermott, Holl, Hyman, Engvall, Mikheyev off the top of my head

Also you’re basing it on the 3 most recent drafts that look like they were good drafts?

 

[Gallagbi]

We're also only three years from Dubas' first draft cycle as GM. Most non top 10 draft selections tend to take 3-5 years of development until they have their debut season.

I don't think it's particularly reasonable to expect 2-7th round picks taken in the last couple drafts by the team to be knocking on the Leafs roster this season

I think everyone is basically assuming Robertson and Sandin are regulars in next years lineup too.

 

[kb]

Not really. We've only really developed Matthews, Marner and Nylander - all were top 10 picks.

No other asset, drafted by Dubas, has graduated from our farm and made any impact to be honest. Maybe a train of players are coming, but don't think they're fully developed yet in terms of strength. This tends to happen when you drafted small players.

No large player drafted made it either.

 

[Amadeus]

What?! Kapanen, Johnson, Dermott, Holl, Hyman, Engvall, Mikheyev off the top of my head

Also you’re basing it on the 3 most recent drafts that look like they were good drafts?

Drafted by Dubas.

Also want to point out that the only impact player you've mentioned above was drafted by Florida.

 

[Knies iT]

Who is coming from the 2018 or 2019 draft after the guys we drafted nd is ready to contribute right now?

Within realistic range of our picks?

2018: Bahl (Durzi), Dostal (SDA), Kurashev/Sharangovich (Hollowell). Having Bahl in our back pocket would be excellent Muzzin insurance.

2019 was an excellent draft with Robertson, Abramov, Abruzzese, etc. but it’s still way too early to tell to your point.

 

[The Podium]

Drafted by Dubas.

Also want to point out that the only impact player you've mentioned above was drafted by Florida.

Dubas had 3 drafts total… the fact that 2 players already have nhl experience is impressive

As for impact players, that list has 4 top 9 forwards and a top 4 D… don’t know what more you could ask for

 

[Gallagbi]

Dubas had 3 drafts total… the fact that 2 players already have nhl experience is impressive

As for impact players, that list has 4 top 9 forwards and a top 4 D… don’t know what more you could ask for

Took a quick glance and I don't think a single player available at our picks have turned out to be an impact guy at this point.

 

[OVO16]

Tampa young core players are extremely Tenacious and Feisty to go along with their skill. Kucherov/Pointe/Cirelli/Gourde/Hedman/Cernak/Sergachev. And you add Stamkos in there as well.

Thats the difference between their core guys and ours. They can mix it up and play the heavy game in the playoffs and still contribute.

Dubas has drafted guys with just pure skill made for pond hockey. They don't get the intangibles you need to win playoff series

 

[The Podium]

Tampa young core players are extremely Tenacious and Feisty to go along with their skill. Kucherov/Pointe/Cirelli/Gourde/Hedman/Cernak/Sergachev. And you add Stamkos in there as well.

Thats the difference between their core guys and ours. They can mix it up and play the heavy game in the playoffs and still contribute.

Dubas has drafted guys with just pure skill made for pond hockey. They don't get the intangibles you need to win playoff series

Dubas didn’t draft our core. Sandin, Robertson and Amirov for example are tenacious skilled guys

 

[Nylander88]

Or when Kerfoot was on his line or when Engvall was on his line....

Him and Kerfoot didn't play together. And Engvall often played the wing when on the fourth line. I don't remember Spezza and Kerfoot together ever. And I watched every game this year (as always). Maybe an accidental random shift. But never lined up as Kerfoot's winger or even linemate. Spezza played largely 4C all year. That's just a fact

 

[nuck]

Honestly need to step back here pal. Hockey is for everyone, and if a minority member of the population says they would like representation on their team, in a 98% predominantly white played sport in a region as diverse as southern ontario, who LOST that representation with Kadri's departure, need not be questioned this intently.

Also khaira is decent and would be cheap. Move on.

Living in Edmonton I am not a Jujhar fan. He has shown tantalizing skills from time to time but apart from his first full season, not nearly consistent enough for a contending team to wait on.

He will show you hits and faceoffs and then will be invisible for a 10 games. Vancouver can wait a couple of years for him to put it together but TO doesn't have the time to burn.

Edit - social commentary deleted

 

[Stephen]

Tampa young core players are extremely Tenacious and Feisty to go along with their skill. Kucherov/Pointe/Cirelli/Gourde/Hedman/Cernak/Sergachev. And you add Stamkos in there as well.

Thats the difference between their core guys and ours. They can mix it up and play the heavy game in the playoffs and still contribute.

Dubas has drafted guys with just pure skill made for pond hockey. They don't get the intangibles you need to win playoff series

The concept of drafting for skill over other factors is one of those concepts that bugs me to no end because you're always going to be looking for a specific package of abilities and body types that has to fit into a team concept.

Nevermind BPA on draft day, just look at the pro ranks. Is a more finesse skilled Tyler Ennis any more useful to an NHL roster than a Radko Gudas? Depends on what you already have and what you need.