GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[OVO16]

I don't think they have nearly the money for any of those guys, and most of them aren't going anywhere in any case. If its true the Leafs are in on Kuemper and at least one more non reclamation forward their coin is mostly spoken for. They have no draft picks left to buy salary retention so are in a pretty tough spot to make a top 4 upgrade happen, unless they actually move Mo which would change their options.

If Bogo leaves they will hopefully bring in someone with at least his amount of sandpaper so the D isn't creampuff soft but its going to be for bottom rung money again. They only have a few really good prospects and the ELCs are what will offset the overpaid top 4 forwards so I think whatever their solution is, its UFAs, again, unless Rielly goes for a younger and cheaper D so they gain room for a trade or maybe a Savard/Oleksiak/Suter/Hjarmarsson/Oleksiak UFA.

To me, the X draft, Rielly and the backup goalie are the next hurdles and then see how much budget is left from that for D.

I never said target those players. Well maybe outside of a few if we can match it.

Main intent was to give examples of the type of player that we need

 

[OVO16]

Petry, Pesce, Dumba, Weegar?

Shea Weber was #1 Pairing
Dougie Hamilton Was #1 Pairing
Jared Spuergon was #1 Pairing
Aaron Ekblad was # Pairing.

Obviously circumstances are gonna change next season with Weber out and Hamilton a FA. But my point remains

 

[Stephen]

Adding bad players like Thornton was never a good idea. We need to add good players who compete hard.

It's a weird concept to think veterans, grit and toughness are discredited because the Leafs brought in the wrong players. There wasn't anything wrong with Corey Perry.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Umm...Foligno and Nash were basically not there leaving skill as the thing that was going to get TOR past MTL. That did not happen.

Foligno played 4 games and we lost 3 of them. We were a better team with him not in the lineup.

Skill was the only thing that was going to get TOR past MTL because all of our grit was useless. For guys who are supposed to bring heart and hard work instead of being talented, they did a pretty good job at providing absolutely nothing.

It is a really backward way of blaming skill.

 

[CatchyTune]

He's a UFA. Why is he signing in Seattle instead of any of the other teams that might want him?

Apparently they are already talking contract extension and should sign after taking him. Theres a thread on here I think.

 

[rumman]

One team being surprisingly good doesn't mean the next team will be

Yup, doesn’t mean they won’t either. Guess we’ll find out…..

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It's a weird concept to think veterans, grit and toughness are discredited because the Leafs brought in the wrong players. There wasn't anything wrong with Corey Perry.

It's discredited when they don't have skill to go with it. Hard work and toughness are useless if you are a bad player. We found that out the hard way in the playoffs this year.

There are a lot of skill players who are not big or tough but are amazing hockey players who win Championships. There are practically none who are big or tough but don't have the skill to go with it, and the few who remain are quickly losing their jobs.

There should not be a single guy in our lineup who is there because he primarily provides toughness or size. If they don't bring something of actual value, it is nothing more than an excuse for being a bad hockey player who should not be in anyone's lineup.

 

[Dreakmur]

It's discredited when they don't have skill to go with it. Hard work and toughness are useless if you are a bad player. We found that out the hard way in the playoffs this year.

There are a lot of skill players who are not big or tough but are amazing hockey players who win Championships. There are practically none who are big or tough but don't have the skill to go with it, and the few who remain are quickly losing their jobs.

There should not be a single guy in our lineup who is there because he primarily provides toughness or size. If they don't bring something of actual value, it is nothing more than an excuse for being a bad hockey player who should not be in anyone's lineup.

Hard work is useless on its own…. Just like skill is useless on its own.

 

[Stephen]

It's discredited when they don't have skill to go with it. Hard work and toughness are useless if you are a bad player. We found that out the hard way in the playoffs this year.

There are a lot of skill players who are not big or tough but are amazing hockey players who win Championships. There are practically none who are big or tough but don't have the skill to go with it, and the few who remain are quickly losing their jobs.

There should not be a single guy in our lineup who is there because he primarily provides toughness or size. If they don't bring something of actual value, it is nothing more than an excuse for being a bad hockey player who should not be in anyone's lineup.

The problem is the Leafs aren't constructed like a real cohesive team. They have the skill guys at the top who skill and they try to import what's missing on the depth, churning through two years of random supporting cast on short term deals.

What really needs to happen is our skill guys need to play with more toughness, more killer instinct and whatever is missing, and management needs to find tougher support guys who can contribute on the skill side and not just check boxes off and be wind dressing. Because the deeper you go in the playoffs the more these roles blur. You need the third and fourth lines to chip in offense and you need the first and second lines to block a shot, win a battle in the corner, clear the crease when the time comes.

 

[ottomaddox]

I just want to forget that Galchenyuk giveaway that resulted in a 2-0.

I don't think I want him back.

 

[Amadeus]

Is it just me or is that Price story about him seeing a specialist coming out is a ploy to get him not selected. I honestly want to see him get picked by Seattle so bad.

 

[stickty111]

It's discredited when they don't have skill to go with it. Hard work and toughness are useless if you are a bad player. We found that out the hard way in the playoffs this year.

There are a lot of skill players who are not big or tough but are amazing hockey players who win Championships. There are practically none who are big or tough but don't have the skill to go with it, and the few who remain are quickly losing their jobs.

There should not be a single guy in our lineup who is there because he primarily provides toughness or size. If they don't bring something of actual value, it is nothing more than an excuse for being a bad hockey player who should not be in anyone's lineup.

Yup. If grit and toughness is the primary factor in the playoffs, that 2013 Leafs team would have won the cup. The funny thing about that series is when went grit in game 1 with Orr and Mclaren, we were attrocious. When we went towards more skill and speed in Frattin, thats how we got back in the series.

 

[Amadeus]

I just want to forget that Galchenyuk giveaway that resulted in a 2-0.

I don't think I want him back.

Meh.

 

[ottomaddox]

Yup. If grit and toughness is the primary factor in the playoffs, that 2013 Leafs team would have won the cup. The funny thing about that series is when went grit in game 1 with Orr and Mclaren, we were attrocious. When we went towards more skill and speed in Frattin, thats how we got back in the series.

I don't remember it that way. Orr and McLaren didn't have a lot of ice time in general.

I do remember Grabo laying on the ice waiting for the refs to call a penalty on more than 1 occasion.

 

[Kiwi]

I just want to forget that Galchenyuk giveaway that resulted in a 2-0.

I don't think I want him back.

Id happily take him back if he's willing to take 1M or so

He's useful depth imo

 

[hamzarocks]

If everyone here wants to love Holl and pretend he's the reason our defense is great, so be it but then we need to make a quick decision on Rielly and look at moving him if he doesn't take around 6-6.5M on a long term deal.

"Leafs Kerfoot Gone to Sea - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps"

This is the team I came up with for next year following Kerfoot being taken in expansion draft over McCann (this was just me purely hoping, not expecting it sadly)

Top 9 is much stronger with Saad, McCann, Dillon Dube, Mikael Granlund being new acquisitions along with Robertson getting the final top 9 spot

Defense-wise brought in Goligoski to play with Brodie and provide puck moving. He isn't close to Mo but no cap left and I signed him at 3.5M letting us save a lot on Rielly's new deal. We can still have the shutdown pair everyone seems to love, though I played Muzzin - Lilijgren and Dermott - Holl on the second and third pairing with these defense pairing all getting 20ish minutes in time due to no clear cut 1D but potentially 5 top 4 defenders

 

[New Liskeard]

Adding bad players like Thornton was never a good idea. We need to add good players who compete hard.

Thornton at 700 k last year was hardly the issue and the reason the Leafs lost. For 700 K he actually was better than I thought he would be. No harm, no foul bringing him in IMO.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

I just want to forget that Galchenyuk giveaway that resulted in a 2-0.

I don't think I want him back.

what he did is a fireable offence. I don’t want him anywhere near the blue and white unless it’s on the opposing bench.

 

[LaPlante94]

Yup. If grit and toughness is the primary factor in the playoffs, that 2013 Leafs team would have won the cup. The funny thing about that series is when went grit in game 1 with Orr and Mclaren, we were attrocious. When we went towards more skill and speed in Frattin, thats how we got back in the series.

We were down 1-0 losing game 1 to a Cup favourite. We won game 2 after Mclaren got benched and then lost the next 2. Frattin entering the lineup didn't get us back into a series we were only down 1-0 in.

What I do miss about that team was that 2 of our higher paid players actually showed up and produced offence and scored. Grabovski and Kulemin combined for 0 goals too and they were considered skill guys. Frattin also scored 0 goals. Don't think skill and speed did much that series. Our top players just played like our top players and Franson had a hell of a series and we almost won as the underdog team.

 

[Griffin76]

Id happily take him back if he's willing to take 1M or so

He's useful depth imo

1-1.5 on a 1 year prove yourself. He did well. He did everything they asked him to do. They treated him right. Give him a full season and if he does prove himself, look at giving him a raise with some term. He could develop some real chemistry in the top six if given the chance.

 

[ER89]

Thornton at 700 k last year was hardly the issue and the reason the Leafs lost. For 700 K he actually was better than I thought he would be. No harm, no foul bringing him in IMO.

i don't know what games you were watching but he causes many of the goals against. Also he played so much but brought absaf***inglutely nothing.

Next time we get vet help maybe we shouldn't target veterans who don't know how to win ala marleau and jumbo.

 

[Kiwi]

1-1.5 on a 1 year prove yourself. He did well. He did everything they asked him to do. They treated him right. Give him a full season and if he does prove himself, look at giving him a raise with some term. He could develop some real chemistry in the top six if given the chance.

I'd just roll his contract over year over year for 1M, his career in North America was almost over so unless he lights the world on fire I doubt we will have a ton of competition signing him

 

[Buds17]

He's a UFA. Why is he signing in Seattle instead of any of the other teams that might want him?

He's never been the go-to guy before for a team. An expansion team might be the best fit for that opportunity.

 

[Budz]

I would be happy with a legit 1 LW and Gally on line 2 cheap.

Gally JT Marner

 

[gabeliscious]

I just want to forget that Galchenyuk giveaway that resulted in a 2-0.

I don't think I want him back.

I think we can do a lot worse. For $1.5 or less I would love him back. Good middle 6 winger with lots to prove.