GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - post expansion list

[Dreakmur]

I mean in this context, I was talking about getting Tararensko, so that is the top 6 LW. With McCann in the fold as well,pretty sure he's more than capable to man the 3rd line center position to replace Kerfoot. Fairly certain we have Mikheyev and Robertson for the other 2 LW positions.

Oh, you're just trying to fill spots. My mistake, I was trying to build a quality team.

 

[SprDaVE]

Oh, you're just trying to fill spots. My mistake, I was trying to build a quality team.

What's this quality team you're trying to build? I'm dying to read about it. You're *really* good at judging them.

 

[Dreakmur]

What's this quality team you're trying to build? I'm dying to read about it. You're *really* good at judging them.

3rd line centre is very important. We can't just fill it with whatever.

 

[SprDaVE]

3rd line centre is very important. We can't just fill it with whatever.

That didn't really answer my question? You don't seem to think McCann is good enough for this role and he's a whatever. I'm not sure what to say to that.

Who is this great 3rd line center that will make everything better.

 

[Dreakmur]

That didn't really answer my question? You don't seem to think McCann is good enough for this role and he's a whatever. I'm not sure what to say to that.

Here's the roster as I see it right now:

Jared McCann - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
_______ - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
_______ - _______ - Ilya Mikheyev
Wayne Simmonds - _______ - Jason Spezza

Like Kerfoot, McCann is a much better winger than he is a centre. They are both "whatever" at that position.

Putting them at C also opens up a LW slot in the top-6, which is a big hole to fill.

Who is this great 3rd line center that will make everything better.

I hate Alex Wennberg, but at least he's a real center.
Nick Bonino isn't ideal, but again, at least he's a real centre. Same goes for Casey Cizikas and Brandon Sutter.

Luke Glendening and Sean Kuraly are probably 4th liners... but they're better centers than McCann. Same for Riley Sheahan.

Tomas Nosek and Derick Brassard would be good bargain options.

Mikael Granlund is probably too expensive, but he'd be a really nice option.


That leaves my top choice - Erik Haula. He's the ultimate utility player, since he's good at everything, but not great at anything.

 

[Stephen]

That leaves my top choice - Erik Haula. He's the ultimate utility player, since he's good at everything, but not great at anything.

Apparently his nickname is "Haula Famer" cause he has such a high opinion of himself. Maybe we need that kind of personality.

 

[Kiwi]

Seattle would be smart retaining on him if it meant getting premium assets from whatever team is trading for him, at 3.75m for the two years, he's very affordable. In saying that, Unless Toronto is trading a top prospect for him at that price we wont be getting that. I don't think teams would be paying a whole lot for him @ his full 7.5m cap hit.

Toronto can't be burning through our premium assets for someone thats had three shoulder surgeries imo.

If I was Seattle that's what I'd be doing to pull more assets but I don't think we can afford that asset wise

Yep I know. After Kerfoot likely gone, we'll have around 9M-ish of cap space with just a goaltender really needed... but it would be super tight. But with retention and/or another deal, it could work.

Mostly wishful thinking without the pick/prospect capital though.

If the Leafs reportedly had interest in Landeskog, Tarasenko wouldn't be that far fetched.

I think this team lacks offensive depth when I watch them so when I put teams together I tend to get 2-3 guys up front that cost in the 2-3M mark so the 3rd line has some offensive bite

 

[Mickey Marner]

Here's the roster as I see it right now:

Jared McCann - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
_______ - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
_______ - _______ - Ilya Mikheyev
Wayne Simmonds - _______ - Jason Spezza

Like Kerfoot, McCann is a much better winger than he is a centre. They are both "whatever" at that position.

Putting them at C also opens up a LW slot in the top-6, which is a big hole to fill.



I hate Alex Wennberg, but at least he's a real center.
Nick Bonino isn't ideal, but again, at least he's a real centre. Same goes for Casey Cizikas and Brandon Sutter.

Luke Glendening and Sean Kuraly are probably 4th liners... but they're better centers than McCann. Same for Riley Sheahan.

Tomas Nosek and Derick Brassard would be good bargain options.

Mikael Granlund is probably too expensive, but he'd be a really nice option.


That leaves my top choice - Erik Haula. He's the ultimate utility player, since he's good at everything, but not great at anything.

If we can find a cheap platoon goaltender, Danault isn't out of the question. You could give the new goalie Hyman's old 2.25 AAV, McCann for Kerfoot saves us 0.56 AAV as a Hyman LW replacement and you have Andersen's 5 AAV for 5.56 total leftover for Danault. 3C, G, top-six LW holes filled with equal money going in-out.

 

[17 Clark]

If we can find a cheap platoon goaltender, Danault isn't out of the question. You could give the new goalie Hyman's old 2.25 AAV, McCann for Kerfoot saves us 0.56 AAV as a Hyman LW replacement and you have Andersen's 5 AAV for 5.56 total leftover for Danault. 3C, G, top-six LW holes filled with equal money going in-out.

How many times do people have to be told he is not a replacement it’s not even the same player as Hyman no matter how many times you right it it isn’t going to happen lmao

 

[Mickey Marner]

How many times do people have to be told he is not a replacement it’s not even the same player as Hyman no matter how many times you right it it isn’t going to happen lmao

Salary and position replacement, not role replacement. Hyman's role likely won't be replaced at all this season.

 

[hockeynorth]

Here's the roster as I see it right now:

Jared McCann - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
_______ - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
_______ - _______ - Ilya Mikheyev
Wayne Simmonds - _______ - Jason Spezza

Like Kerfoot, McCann is a much better winger than he is a centre. They are both "whatever" at that position.

Putting them at C also opens up a LW slot in the top-6, which is a big hole to fill.



I hate Alex Wennberg, but at least he's a real center.
Nick Bonino isn't ideal, but again, at least he's a real centre. Same goes for Casey Cizikas and Brandon Sutter.

Luke Glendening and Sean Kuraly are probably 4th liners... but they're better centers than McCann. Same for Riley Sheahan.

Tomas Nosek and Derick Brassard would be good bargain options.

Mikael Granlund is probably too expensive, but he'd be a really nice option.


That leaves my top choice - Erik Haula. He's the ultimate utility player, since he's good at everything, but not great at anything.

Of all those guys McCann is the best C. Kerfoot better as 3C than all but the first 3 and McCann. Granlund is way more of a winger.

 

[ACC1224]

Apparently his nickname is "Haula Famer" cause he has such a high opinion of himself. Maybe we need that kind of personality.

I always laughed at Phil Mickelsons nickname when he was younger, FIGJAM.

 

[pspot]

Of all those guys McCann is the best C. Kerfoot better as 3C than all but the first 3 and McCann. Granlund is way more of a winger.

Kerfoot was one of the guys i thought stepped up in the playoffs, he wasn't great on faceoffs last year but has had at least one season above 50% , mccann is career 46% best. Puck possession is so huge especially for a team that doesn't forecheck. I like Mccan but maybe as a hyman replacement

 

[Byron Bitz]

How much will it cost to re sign Nick Foligno?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Brock McGinn anyone?

 

[SprDaVE]

Here's the roster as I see it right now:

Jared McCann - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
_______ - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
_______ - _______ - Ilya Mikheyev
Wayne Simmonds - _______ - Jason Spezza

Like Kerfoot, McCann is a much better winger than he is a centre. They are both "whatever" at that position.

Putting them at C also opens up a LW slot in the top-6, which is a big hole to fill.



I hate Alex Wennberg, but at least he's a real center.
Nick Bonino isn't ideal, but again, at least he's a real centre. Same goes for Casey Cizikas and Brandon Sutter.

Luke Glendening and Sean Kuraly are probably 4th liners... but they're better centers than McCann. Same for Riley Sheahan.

Tomas Nosek and Derick Brassard would be good bargain options.

Mikael Granlund is probably too expensive, but he'd be a really nice option.


That leaves my top choice - Erik Haula. He's the ultimate utility player, since he's good at everything, but not great at anything.

Wennberg? Bonino? Sutter? Glendening? Kuraly? Sheahan? Better than McCann...? Alrighty then. I feel like the only requisite is being to win a face off in your eyes and do nothing else?

The grass isn't always greener and I don't think your idea of quality is very good either.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It would be good to find a 2-way 3rd line centre that is physical but it's kind of a unicorn. Jenner or Zacha come to mind but not sure on the cost.

 

[pspot]

Wennberg? Bonino? Sutter? Glendening? Kuraly? Sheahan? Better than McCann...? I feel like the only requisite is being to win a face off in your eyes? Not sure that's really the only thing that matters and McCann has played a good amount of center to a pretty good pedigree.

The grass isn't always greener and I don't think your idea of quality is very good either.

honestly at this point i'm thinking playing JT in a shut down role and then sign someone like Wennberg as the 2nd line C .....set up man for nylander
obviously his contract doesn't equate to a shut down player but if they win thats the ultimate goal
then play him and Marner on second pp. with Matthews and Nylander as shooters on 1st unit

 

[kb]

Scenario 2 and 3 are good and, if that happens, I will give props to Dubas for his masterplan.

Scenario 1 is not good though. I don't know why these writers keep saying we gave up Hallander and a 7th to keep Kerfoot. We gave up Hallander, a 7th and McCann to keep Kerfoot. Saying just Hallander and a 7th is a half-truth. There was a trade. We can't pretend it didn't exist.

No. That is not how it works.

The Leafs acquired McCann for Hallander and a 7th. Transaction over.

Now they go into the expansion draft.

If they lose McCann.....then the expansion draft only cost the Leafs Hallander and a 7th because that is what they spent on McCann to keep everyone else.
If they lose Kerfoot.....then they acquired his replacement for Hallander and a 7th.

You can try to spin it, but it doesn't make that logic right. People are reaching to try to blame Dubas for losing a player in the expansion draft by tacking it onto the trade result. Losing a player in the expansion draft was a given from the outset. It cost Hallander and a 7th to mitigate the loss of either McCann or Kerfoot.

Simple concept that apparently people don't comprehend.

 

[BlueForever75]

McCann was acquired as insurance if Kerfoot is lost. If either of them are not selected then we are in a even better spot. There are many 3rd line center types available via UFA this coming off season. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Leafs sign someone like a Granlund to pivot the 3rd line and bringing back someone like Nash to pivot the 4th line. Having Matthews, Tavares, Granlund and Nash down the middle is ideal. If neither of McCann or Kerfoot are selected and we make those signings. The Leafs are better off having Kerfoot available to trade.

______ - Matthews - Nylander
Gally - Tavares - Marner
McCann - Granlund - Micheyev
Simmonds - Nash - Spezza
Engvall, Brooks

The gaping hole is that on the LW next to Matthews. My hope is there is trade in the works to fill that gap with Reilly being the main piece along with other players. Maybe a Reilly + Kerfoot deal to someone for a true power forward.

 

[pspot]

McCann was acquired as insurance if Kerfoot is lost. If either of them are not selected then we are in a even better spot. There are many 3rd line center types available via UFA this coming off season. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Leafs sign someone like a Granlund to pivot the 3rd line and bringing back someone like Nash to pivot the 4th line. Having Matthews, Tavares, Granlund and Nash down the middle is ideal. If neither of McCann or Kerfoot are selected and we make those signings. The Leafs are better off having Kerfoot available to trade.

______ - Matthews - Nylander
Gally - Tavares - Marner
McCann - Granlund - Micheyev
Simmonds - Nash - Spezza
Engvall, Brooks

The gaping hole is that on the LW next to Matthews. My hope is there is trade in the works to fill that gap with Reilly being the main piece along with other players. Maybe a Reilly + Kerfoot deal to someone for a true power forward.

Granlund has a couple pretty solid seasons under his belt and wonder if he'd come in at a discount cause he hasn't been able to be consistent
18+min , 60+ pts and 50+fo %

 

[Stigma]

No. That is not how it works.

The Leafs acquired McCann for Hallander and a 7th. Transaction over.

Now they go into the expansion draft.

If they lose McCann.....then the expansion draft only cost the Leafs Hallander and a 7th because that is what the spend on McCann to keep everyone else.
If they lose Kerfoot.....then they acquired his replacement for Hallander and a 7th.

You can try to spin it, but it doesn't make that logic right. People are reaching to try to blame Dubas for losing a player in the expansion draft by tacking it onto the trade result. Losing a player in the expansion draft was a given from the outset. It cost Hallander and a 7th to mitigate the loss of either McCann or Kerfoot.

Simple concept that apparently people don't comprehend.

Maybe you should have read the comments after my initial comment before posting. I acknowledged that my wording was wrong. But if you required a little self-esteem boost at my expense then I'm happy I provided that for you.

 

[Magic Man]

If Kerfoot is taken and McCann is considered a LW. In FA the best options for the Leafs cap structure at 3C are...

Nick Bonino
Mikael Granlund
Erik Haula
Travis Zajac
Alex Wennberg

Not a very attractive list if the goal in moving Kerfoot was to bring in an edgier 3C. Comparable players though. I like Bonino.

 

[Amadeus]

Brock McGinn anyone?

Would like him for sure. He can play up and down in the lineup and is strong along the boards. More of what we need to fill our roster up.

Get McGinn, Glendening and maybe someone like Perry to round out our forward group.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

No. That is not how it works.

The Leafs acquired McCann for Hallander and a 7th. Transaction over.

Now they go into the expansion draft.

If they lose McCann.....then the expansion draft only cost the Leafs Hallander and a 7th because that is what they spent on McCann to keep everyone else.
If they lose Kerfoot.....then they acquired his replacement for Hallander and a 7th.

You can try to spin it, but it doesn't make that logic right. People are reaching to try to blame Dubas for losing a player in the expansion draft by tacking it onto the trade result. Losing a player in the expansion draft was a given from the outset. It cost Hallander and a 7th to mitigate the loss of either McCann or Kerfoot.

Simple concept that apparently people don't comprehend.

If you replaced hockey players with grapes and bananas, I'm pretty sure it could be proven that even apes understand this concept. It's an embarrassment to our species that this argument is even happening.