ULF_55
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Seems Weeger might be their veteran pillar they keep to help lead the D.
Andersson might be available as he might look elsewhere.
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Seems Weeger might be their veteran pillar they keep to help lead the D.
Andersson might be available as he might look elsewhere.
Niemela was by far our best D in the prospects tournament. Surprised to not see him in the lineup yet.
I don’t think we ever see him both a Lilly in the lineup at the same time in the future. Wouldn’t be surprised to see one of them moved, and I’d assume Lilly has more value.
I don’t think we ever see him both a Lilly in the lineup at the same time in the future. Wouldn’t be surprised to see one of them moved, and I’d assume Lilly has more value.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
Lilly's got two years on his deal. Unless he catapults himself into "stud" category I could imagine the Leafs let him walk and let Niemela take his place if he isn't traded before then.
ULF_55
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If Liljegren "catapults himself into "stud"" category it will give the Leafs 1 stud defenseman.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
“Stud” might be too strong a word. “Legit and consistent Top 4 defenseman.” Better?
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I think Niemela is intriguing but doesn't strike me much as a Tre type player
I can see him getting involved in a prospect swap
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Dreakmur
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I didn't say whether he should or shouldn't make the team. I said "IF" he can't make it...
Having said that, I don't like him, and I don't think he should make it. Craig Berube, however, isn't asking for my opinion. If he doesn't make it again, for a new coach, when we need exactly what he's supposed to provide.... well, I guess that apparently doesn't mean anything....
rumman
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Hey, we all have opinions about players we don’t think will ever deliver, I certainly do…….
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With training camp battles underway I believe we are seeing that we have too much forward depth. I know people will say that we can never have too much depth but we are in real danger of losing players on waivers and possibly not getting regular season look at Cowan and Grebenkin (back to the KHL?).
Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Domi
Knies
McMann
Should be the locks, leaving the following group to fight for six or seven spots
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Holmberg
Robertson
Grebenkin
Pacioretty
Lorentz
Dewar
Reaves
Cowan
Minten
That's eleven guys for six or seven spots.
Minten can go to the Marlies. We can trade Jarnkrok and Kampf, waive Reaves. Does anyone see any risk in these moves? Would we regret not having Kampf and Jarnkrok later? Would we lose Reaves on waivers and regret that?
Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Domi
Knies
McMann
Should be the locks, leaving the following group to fight for six or seven spots
Kampf
Jarnkrok
Holmberg
Robertson
Grebenkin
Pacioretty
Lorentz
Dewar
Reaves
Cowan
Minten
That's eleven guys for six or seven spots.
Minten can go to the Marlies. We can trade Jarnkrok and Kampf, waive Reaves. Does anyone see any risk in these moves? Would we regret not having Kampf and Jarnkrok later? Would we lose Reaves on waivers and regret that?
TheDoldrums
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I think there's more of a chance we regret losing Robertson than Kampf or Jarnkrok, definitely. And certainly no regret on losing Reaves.
I view Kampf and Jarnkrok pretty similarly in terms of value. I do think it would be nicer to have Kampf's definite defensive centre play but Jarnkrok is a better player and has a better contract. I won't lose sleep over losing any of them tho, just keep the kid who can score goals. Grebenkin to Marlies, Cowan to London not much ambiguity there. Lorentz and Patches signed.
I view Kampf and Jarnkrok pretty similarly in terms of value. I do think it would be nicer to have Kampf's definite defensive centre play but Jarnkrok is a better player and has a better contract. I won't lose sleep over losing any of them tho, just keep the kid who can score goals. Grebenkin to Marlies, Cowan to London not much ambiguity there. Lorentz and Patches signed.
TheGroceryStick
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Rielly-Tanev
OEL-Andersson
Benoit-McCabe
Is a very good D group
OEL-Andersson
Benoit-McCabe
Is a very good D group
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If you can get decent value for Jarnkrok, I think you move him.
Cowan goes back to London and spend the season playing Centre to see if it’s an option, and keep him challenged and developing.
Lorentz for 4LW.
Now it’s either Robertson or Pacioretty. Robertson is a piece you hang on to for the long term, unless he reiterates he really doesn’t want to be here and will not resign.
Otherwise they have to invest in him. Patiently is not a viable long-term solution and it would be shortsighted to lose Robertson to keep him.
Cowan goes back to London and spend the season playing Centre to see if it’s an option, and keep him challenged and developing.
Lorentz for 4LW.
Now it’s either Robertson or Pacioretty. Robertson is a piece you hang on to for the long term, unless he reiterates he really doesn’t want to be here and will not resign.
Otherwise they have to invest in him. Patiently is not a viable long-term solution and it would be shortsighted to lose Robertson to keep him.
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I tend to agree.
However, I think Cowan is earning a nine game look. I have heard Grebenkin has the "back to the KHL/Europe" clause if he doesn't make the NHL. I am hoping we can convince him to stay with the Marlies and be a call up. That does make this an easy decision.
TheDoldrums
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The way Grebenkin was playing to the crowd during his fight, I hope he likes the idea of Toronto enough to stay. He would definitely be a potential callup if he sharpens his overall game. But him going back to the KHL isn't a terrible scenario and there's really no place for him at the moment on a team trying to win right now.
Weegar is the real prize in my opinion…
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I shake my head every time I remember that we gave Jarn a 10-team no trade list. I can't even blame Dubas too much for it given that we also gave one to Kampf and even Klingberg.
ULF_55
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Don't know why he'd be available though.
Andersson is UFA in 2 years, so he doesn't fit in their timeline.
Weeger is saying the right things.
Flames' MacKenzie Weegar sends powerful message with commitment to stay
MacKenzie Weegar didn't sign in Calgary to be part of a rebuild. But the defenceman tells Eric Francis that he's committed to being part of the solution, not the problem.
“Obviously when we signed here we didn’t think it was going to turn out like this, but that happens, things can change quick in this league,” said the Flames defenceman, who inked an eight-year, $50 million extension with the team shortly after arriving in 2022.
“I’m here for a long time.
“I love the city.
“It’s easy to ask for a trade, but I grew up not to be a quitter.
“I want to stay here. I want to win a Cup here, I’ve said that.
“I believe in Connie and Husk and Backlund and Naz and everybody here.
“I think we’re not far.
“I believe in that. I want to turn it around.
“I think it starts with yourself. You’ve got to take it upon yourself to help the organization.
That’s kind of where my head is at.”
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I think we have a few guys that could be changed out over the course of the year.
Reaves - His role diminished under Berube...I would not be surprised if this were the case again, Lorentz offers a PK option and some size.
Jarnkrok - He's had 3-4 bad playoffs in a row now, nice regular season player but someone we can move on from
Timmins - He's a nice #6-7 but he's maybe 8th on our depth chart at this time, we can make do with a cheaper option, maybe he can return a 6-7th round pick
Robertson - He wants to move...if we get a proper return, do it
Liljegren - It depends on how he and Berube jive...if they don't work, I think they'll move on, his contract structure is friendly for trading him as we've paid him out a decent amount already with a signing bonus.
Hirvonen - Tree didn't draft him, he's not big and it's hard to see where he may end up in our line up, others are coming.
Reaves - His role diminished under Berube...I would not be surprised if this were the case again, Lorentz offers a PK option and some size.
Jarnkrok - He's had 3-4 bad playoffs in a row now, nice regular season player but someone we can move on from
Timmins - He's a nice #6-7 but he's maybe 8th on our depth chart at this time, we can make do with a cheaper option, maybe he can return a 6-7th round pick
Robertson - He wants to move...if we get a proper return, do it
Liljegren - It depends on how he and Berube jive...if they don't work, I think they'll move on, his contract structure is friendly for trading him as we've paid him out a decent amount already with a signing bonus.
Hirvonen - Tree didn't draft him, he's not big and it's hard to see where he may end up in our line up, others are coming.
Still burns my butt we could have had him but Dubas opted for Brodie instead.
Completely blind to LHD-RHD balance during his entire tenure, and we are still feeling the effects, trotting out 5LHD and 1RHD last season, with nothing but Niemala and Timmins as our RHD pipeline.
Meanwhile other teams have RHD depth and prospects falling out of their asses….
Weegar would have settled 1RHD ages ago.
We are still putting band aids there.
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Noting Weegar is a Right Handed D, who's best moments have been playing LD and mostly plays LD. He's playing LD with Calgary, and paired with Andersson most often. He mostly played LD with Florida, paired with Ekblad.
While I've always been a proponent of obtaining Weegar, he doesn't solve our RD issue that much.
Other people have talked about Andersson in this thread earlier... and I'm not sold on him. He's not that big, isn't physical at all, coughs the puck up a lot. He's a traditional offensive defenseman, and I just don't think he'd be worth the price.
Menzinger
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Agents have learned that GMs aren't willing to dig their heels in over them. Expect more and more guys to keep getting them around the league
According to who?
The only time I’ve ever heard us being linked to Weegar was Dubas offering a package involving Andreas Johnsson which Florida obviously turned down
And if we’re taking both having been UFAs, there are a ton of reasons why players don’t end up in certain cities that have nothing to do with the team choosing the other option over them.
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