They won’t move reaves, he provides something nobody else does. When he’s on, we all love him. Holmberg is the new Jarnkrok imo.
What does he provide? He's a fourth-liner that isn't good defensively, doesn't provide depth scoring, doesn't PKThey won’t move reaves, he provides something nobody else does. When he’s on, we all love him. Holmberg is the new Jarnkrok imo.
Dermott + Johnsson isn't going to move the needle for many teams, that have what we really need. I mean, Weegar, Manson... pick a few other names Weegar is cheap for Florida, and they are looking to cut salary, so the odds they move him are slim
Yes, it was Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar that Friedman claimed was rejected by Dubas. It was later refuted by Zito, but I can't seem to find any evidence of that now.
In any case, that would have been such a lopsided trade, that it doesn't even pass the sniff test. Dubas would be banned from the NHL had he actually rejected, and Zito as well if he made that trade. While many didn't realize it, Weegar had already broken out as a fantastic D, but the points weren't there yet so most didn't notice him. I was talking about him in Feb 2020 as someone we should target...posted this in March 2020.
Insurance so others don’t take liberties with our top players. Physicality, energy. He doesn’t need to pk or score. That’s his role, and nobody else can fill it right now. For that reason, the leafs see value in him.What does he provide? He's a fourth-liner that isn't good defensively, doesn't provide depth scoring, doesn't PK
This enforcer build has been long played out on Toronto with Martin, Simmonds, Reaves. It accomplishes very little
Right, I forgot it was Dermott and Johnsson.
Thanks for posting but don’t post it too loudly as this piece seems to rankle some to no end and leads to an immediate and blanket denial, followed by the assertion that it was a made up media rumor and will be summarily dismissed…..
The immediate denials will then be Liked by the Dubasites here who can’t tolerate any besmirching of their idols legacy.
There was a lot of "think" in the quote.Yes, it was Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar that Friedman claimed was rejected by Dubas. It was later refuted by Zito, but I can't seem to find any evidence of that now.
O issues with anything you say here and my post was not directed at you.Or just maybe similarly to how you didn’t remember certain details, I also misremembered elements of this.
There is no agenda in my post. I didn’t remember your post as being accurate so I responded as I would anything else. Turns out I was wrong in this particular case, and I accept that. I could not care less about spinning a narrative, defending Dubas or his legacy.
It would be nice if we could just talk hockey and leave this supporter/detractor stupidity out of it.
When has that stopped anyone? In the playoffs Marchand was still running around playing like a rat, McAvoy suplexed Matthews in game 3 to no responseInsurance so others don’t take liberties with our top players. Physicality, energy. He doesn’t need to pk or score. That’s his role, and nobody else can fill it right now. For that reason, the leafs see value in him.
He also keeps tigers away.When has that stopped anyone? In the playoffs Marchand was still running around playing like a rat, McAvoy suplexed Matthews in game 3 to no response
Reaves will only fight bums and he will never be on the ice to retaliate on the other team's stars. The Leafs stars have to defend themselves, not wait for Reaves to go fight a 12th forward as a form of retaliation. While I'm sure he's a great lockerroom guy and everyone loves him, what he does accomplishes next to nothing
Not too mention, when Marchard injured Liljegren, Reaves was in the game.When has that stopped anyone? In the playoffs Marchand was still running around playing like a rat, McAvoy suplexed Matthews in game 3 to no response
Reaves will only fight bums and he will never be on the ice to retaliate on the other team's stars. The Leafs stars have to defend themselves, not wait for Reaves to go fight a 12th forward as a form of retaliation. While I'm sure he's a great lockerroom guy and everyone loves him, what he does accomplishes next to nothing
Had some value... but even back in 2020 I posted that they really "weren't going to move the needle" for other teams. I mean we ended up moving Johnsson for a second, and giving away Dermott not long after, that's not enough, nor was it ever for a good D man.In hindsight, it seems very lopsided, but Dermott and Johnsson had some value back then.
The issue with the 'protection' angle is obvious. Reaves is strictly a goon, as such he's only "allowed" to fight other goons.Not too mention, when Marchard injured Liljegren, Reaves was in the game.
I saw a good comment and it's true. Players like Reaves don't keep the flies off, they attract them.
The issue with the 'protection' angle is obvious. Reaves is strictly a goon, as such he's only "allowed" to fight other goons.
So Marchand and 95%+ of players in the league know Reaves can't do anything. So he can only protect from other goons, except if you're also a goon and Reaves stops you from doing your job then you won't have a job very long.
The issue with the 'protection' angle is obvious. Reaves is strictly a goon, as such he's only "allowed" to fight other goons.
So Marchand and 95%+ of players in the league know Reaves can't do anything. So he can only protect from other goons, except if you're also a goon and Reaves stops you from doing your job then you won't have a job very long.
I mean, if Reaves really wanted to he could’ve gone full psycho and just grabbed Marchand and started whaling on him. Or taken a run at Pastrnak or McAvoy. Anything but doing nothing would’ve sufficed. Reaves got better later in the year but that was a bad moment.
Really though, it should’ve been one of Bertuzzi or Domi going after Marchand. Or any of our supposed leaders on this team. Anything but doing nothing would’ve sufficed.
Leafs stars aren’t going to engage in that stuff, and you shouldn’t want them to. Don’t want to see them in the box, or even better, get hurt? Once he is gone and other teams will take more liberties… then what? Skill guys gonna fight? No chance. We don’t need that from our stars. We need them to be able to play through that stuff, but they will never bring it. That’s not who they are.When has that stopped anyone? In the playoffs Marchand was still running around playing like a rat, McAvoy suplexed Matthews in game 3 to no response
Reaves will only fight bums and he will never be on the ice to retaliate on the other team's stars. The Leafs stars have to defend themselves, not wait for Reaves to go fight a 12th forward as a form of retaliation. While I'm sure he's a great lockerroom guy and everyone loves him, what he does accomplishes next to nothing
Leafs stars aren’t going to engage in that stuff, and you shouldn’t want them to. Don’t want to see them in the box, or even better, get hurt? Once he is gone and other teams will take more liberties… then what? Skill guys gonna fight? No chance. We don’t need that from our stars. We need them to be able to play through that stuff, but they will never bring it. That’s not who they are.
You might not value Reaves, and that’s perfectly fine. But Berube has made it clear that everyone has a role on the team. Reaves has his there is nobody that can replace it, even if he only sees 30 games and 7 min of ice. There are other players that are redundant.
All due respect to Dreger I think that Treliving is looking at the players we've talked about for months and months. Kampf and Jarnkrok, along with Robertson and Liljegren.
I think we have some insiders on this board, bringing up Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson and Liljegren as possible trade candidates.
SHOCKING NEWS.
Shocking I tell you!!!
Honestly - it’s time for Treliving to show some balls and make a hockey trade.All due respect to Dreger I think that Treliving is looking at the players we've talked about for months and months. Kampf and Jarnkrok, along with Robertson and Liljegren.
I think we have some insiders on this board, bringing up Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson and Liljegren as possible trade candidates.
SHOCKING NEWS.
Shocking I tell you!!!
Honestly - it’s time for Treliving to show some balls and make a hockey trade.
Get an upgrade at Centre or RD - with using
Kampf
Robertson
Lilly
Jarnkrok
Should be enough
Engaging in that stuff is what the stars on other players do. It wasn't Boston's 4th liners going at the Leafs stars, it was their best players doing it.Leafs stars aren’t going to engage in that stuff, and you shouldn’t want them to. Don’t want to see them in the box, or even better, get hurt? Once he is gone and other teams will take more liberties… then what? Skill guys gonna fight? No chance. We don’t need that from our stars. We need them to be able to play through that stuff, but they will never bring it. That’s not who they are.
You might not value Reaves, and that’s perfectly fine. But Berube has made it clear that everyone has a role on the team. Reaves has his there is nobody that can replace it, even if he only sees 30 games and 7 min of ice. There are other players that are redundant.
Lebrun on overdrive said if Marner and Shesterkin made it to UFA who would be more impactful to spend 11 million on. Didn’t link the leafs was more discussing why a goalie might ask for 11 when their impact is the same or greater then forwards.Anyone know what’s up with LeBrun saying Marner could be traded for an elite goalie? The site I read seems suspect but he’s quoting a legit reporter.
*edit* forget it. It’s old news regurgitated to be click bait. He said it in July. Sorry.
Honestly - it’s time for Treliving to show some balls and make a hockey trade.
Get an upgrade at Centre or RD - with using
Kampf
Robertson
Lilly
Jarnkrok
Should be enough