Punch Drunk Loov
Thought Viktor Loov was going to be a guy
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Need a core 4 player on the 3rd lineIt shoots blanks.
Need a core 4 player on the 3rd lineIt shoots blanks.
Haven't seen those rumours either, but I can see how you get there just by speculation.Not sure about the rumour that poster's referring to, but he's a Canada/USA dual citizen and grew up a Leaf fan. Spoke openly/highly about some Leaf players pre-draft IIRC.
The Leafs interviewed him in his draft year and had some rumoured interest at the time but he obviously went higher.
Need a core 4 player on the 3rd line
If they think the kid is good, what is the risk? We need players on ELCs in our lineup. Again, no risk, no reward.If this rumour is true, that he wants a guarantee of some sort, to be in the NHL lineup, I'll pass on him. Now, nothing from McGroarty's camp about it, denying in any way... so what can we assume?
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It would be great to upgrade on our C's... but there really isn't much available. I had mentioned possibly Tyler Johnson, who is a UFA and could bring some offense. Shouldn't be too expensive.
ideally, thats a 4th lineI thought the 3rd line of
DeWar - Kampf - Jarnkrok was hustling and looked great in the playoffs.
You could also move either of those wingers up to a 3rd line in a pinch, but you wouldn't want Dewar on the 3rd for an extended period.ideally, thats a 4th line
I get the worry but I’m a lot more confident in Berube kicking this kids ass than I ever was in Keefe.If this rumour is true, that he wants a guarantee of some sort, to be in the NHL lineup, I'll pass on him. Now, nothing from McGroarty's camp about it, denying in any way... so what can we assume?
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It would be great to upgrade on our C's... but there really isn't much available. I had mentioned possibly Tyler Johnson, who is a UFA and could bring some offense. Shouldn't be too expensive.
If this rumour is true, that he wants a guarantee of some sort, to be in the NHL lineup, I'll pass on him. Now, nothing from McGroarty's camp about it, denying in any way... so what can we assume?
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It would be great to upgrade on our C's... but there really isn't much available. I had mentioned possibly Tyler Johnson, who is a UFA and could bring some offense. Shouldn't be too expensive.
It shoots blanks.
I agree I thought he stood out in the inter squad gameYou could also move either of those wingers up to a 3rd line in a pinch, but you wouldn't want Dewar on the 3rd for an extended period.
I think we'll see Steeves come up for a couple games during the season. And my darkhorse for a year out is Quillan. I think we start to see his name pop up during the season as someone to watch for.
Here's the thing, if this dude becomes a stud and we pass .... That'd suck. If he sucks, just waive his ass after x amount of gamesIf something is too good to be true, it usually is too good to be true.
Could he help us, almost certainly. Would he deserve a spot in the middle 6 based on his current skill, almost certainly, but what message does that send to someone like Cowan who may think it is appropriate to play the same games.
The conversation needs to be "hey....we can put you into an opportunity to succeed but you need to do the work and run with it".
Yeah not really. Only takes one good season for them to get paid and that usually comes in a contract year. You should know that. You defend the Marner contract when before his 90 point season his final year of his ELC he never reached 70 points before that. So if what you are saying is true with this comment then why did he get 11 million when he had a 61, 69 and 94 point seasons on his ELC?Since always.
I agree he looks like a good prospect, but you can’t have prospects dictating when in the line up they should slot and how much ice time they’ll be guaranteed. Aren’t we already tired of players running the team? In that respect I’ll admit he would fit right in with the core players………If they think the kid is good, what is the risk? We need players on ELCs in our lineup. Again, no risk, no reward.
I hope you noted that I specifically mentioned looking out a few years. This isn't my 2024 lineup, I'm talking 2026-2027, with guys like Knies, Cowan, Minten and Grebyonkin much further along on their development tracks.Respectfully, any GM who considers their team to be a contender cannot consider anything like this line up. No team I can think of has 3 forwards with essentially less than l00 games played competing for the Cup, let alone 6. It might be a great 'learning' year for them, but it would be tough slogging.
Just remember with McGroarty
If he comes out its after his second NCAA season, that's how long Knies was in the NCAA and in Knies last NCAA season he had about a PPG, McGroarty had 52 points 15-20 points more than him and Knies put up 35 points in his first full NHL season
That's probably a 40-55 point player straight off the bat on his ECL and we have a very glaring hole at top 6LW he'd fill right now
You can talk about entitlement all you want but if we can swing a trade for him you do it and don't even think twice about it
I agree, we could waive him but it would become an issue as he may not report to Marlies/negativr attention.Here's the thing, if this dude becomes a stud and we pass .... That'd suck. If he sucks, just waive his ass after x amount of games
And perhaps this demand has lowered his trade value. If your scouting thinks he's ready, and this has deterred other potential deals, could be a golden opportunity.Just remember with McGroarty
If he comes out its after his second NCAA season, that's how long Knies was in the NCAA and in Knies last NCAA season he had about a PPG, McGroarty had 52 points 15-20 points more than him and Knies put up 35 points in his first full NHL season
That's probably a 40-55 point player straight off the bat on his ECL and we have a very glaring hole at top 6LW he'd fill right now
You can talk about entitlement all you want but if we can swing a trade for him you do it and don't even think twice about it
I wonder if Robertson + Quillan + 2nd has any value. Quillan seems like an interesting add in this scenario. Hirvonen could be also.I agree, we could waive him but it would become an issue as he may not report to Marlies/negativr attention.
The whole thing with him sounds crazy. I cannot believe his agent would not sit him down and give him a pep talk. By all accounts he has the skill to get there. He may just not want to be in Winnipeg. I know a few people who are from the Peg and love it but I can see why someone wouldnt want to live there.
Regardless, unless he says he will only accept a trade to Toronto we dont have too much to move. The best we can do is probabaly Robertson and a 2nd rounder next year. We dont have too much else we can move that would be of interest.
And by all accounts, he put up points while also being a very physical two-way player. We're not talking about a 5'8 guy, or a guy that's awful defensively, where you have more concerns about how the game will translate.
McGroarty seems like he's VERY likely to at minimum be a good physical two-way middle 6 forward, and has a decent chance at being a power forward type of player you could put on one of your top two lines.
And perhaps this demand has lowered his trade value. If your scouting thinks he's ready, and this has deterred other potential deals, could be a golden opportunity.