GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - Off-Season Early Edition

[Antropovsky]

This to me is nutty. I think Hyman is great but he's about a 4 million times 4 year guy to me.
That's too much for what he does.

If Robertson or another younger under the radar cheap signing could be had... I think people will quickly forget about him.

Yea we certainly can't afford Hyman now with these rumors, especially if Dubas was offering under 5 million per.

Maybe dubas is the one throwing out the rumors of the teams and cap hit, hoping desperately someone offers a pick for the opportunity to sign him and stop all contact with him and other teams.

Though I feel like he may have lost some leverage by letting them talk so early to anyone...

Who knows..... losing interest everybody wants a kings ransom in Toronto.

 

[The90]

Worst move Dubas has made by far. He was very average even before he got hurt.

You give up a first rounder for Foligno when Hall (who I also didn't want) goes for far less.

Hindsight is 20/20 though. On paper he was what the leafs needed moreso than hall. And it turned out they needed more goals. The way she rolls sometimes

 

[Dion TheFluff]

This to me is nutty. I think Hyman is great but he's about a 4 million times 4 year guy to me.
That's too much for what he does.

If Robertson or another younger under the radar cheap signing could be had... I think people will quickly forget about him.

will be fun watching Edmonton loose Nurse next year due to having Hyman and,Keith on the books

 

[I am Canadian]

He's never provided us 5+ mill in value to us at any point in his career and that was through his prime. You aren't getting Hyman's prime years on his next deal.

5 mill would look bad from the beginning.

Disagree, he's easily been a 5M player over the last two years or so. Top penalty killer, top #6 winger, 50+ point pace over the last two years.

What are you expecting out of a 5M player?

 

[Kurtz]

Edmonton clearly learned nothing from barely dodging the Clarkson bullet if they're eager to eat Hyman at that price point.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Disagree, he's easily been a 5M player over the last two years or so. Top penalty killer, top #6 winger, 50+ point pace over the last two years.

What are you expecting out of a 5M player?

He does not put up that kind of production without his linemates, and I don't think he is a top 6 winger either. He's a good 3rd line winger who was afforded the opportunity to play with really good players who boosted his production.

He is also not a top PKer. He is a good PKer, but all of our PKers are good except for maybe Marner (he's very inconsistent).

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Edmonton clearly learned nothing from barely dodging the Clarkson bullet if they're eager to eat Hyman at that price point.

They dodged Clarkson but signed Lucic. But yea some teams/GM's never learn.

I imagine Lou would be all over Hyman too if the Islanders weren't ****ed cap wise.

 

[Dreakmur]

He does not put up that kind of production without his linemates, and I don't think he is a top 6 winger either. He's a good 3rd line winger who was afforded the opportunity to play with really good players who boosted his production.

He is also not a top PKer. He is a good PKer, but all of our PKers are good except for maybe Marner (he's very inconsistent).

He didn’t just leech off his line mates, he helped make them better. As Hyman moved around the lineup, dominant lines just followed him around. Hyman with Matthews and Nylander was our best line. Next season Hyman with Tavares and Marner was our best line. Next season Hyman with Matthews and Marner was our best line. Yes, he had good line mates, but when he left a line it always became much less effective. Even when he was paired with Mikheyev and Engvall, that line was extremely effective.

Yes, he doesn’t put up as many points with lesser line mates, but that’s true of 100% of players who have ever played hockey.

He is easily a top-6 winger, and he’s borderline legit 1st liner. I know I’d have trouble finding 32 LWs I think are better than him.

Having said that, we’re in a cap crunch and we can’t afford him. Even if I think he’s worth 5 million, we can’t pay it. We have to search for bargains, and he won’t be one anymore. That doesn’t even account for him aging and likely declining over the course of the contract.

Great player. I hope I’m wrong about how much he will be missed.

Another casualty of our cap mismanagement.

 

[dubplatepressure]

He didn’t just leech off his line mates, he helped make them better. As Hyman moved around the lineup, dominant lines just followed him around. Hyman with Matthews and Nylander was our best line. Next season Hyman with Tavares and Marner was our best line. Next season Hyman with Matthews and Marner was our best line. Yes, he had good line mates, but when he left a line it always became much less effective. Even when he was paired with Mikheyev and Engvall, that line was extremely effective.

Yes, he doesn’t put up as many points with lesser line mates, but that’s true of 100% of players who have ever played hockey.

He is easily a top-6 winger, and he’s borderline legit 1st liner. I know I’d have trouble finding 32 LWs I think are better than him.

Having said that, we’re in a cap crunch and we can’t afford him. Even if I think he’s worth 5 million, we can’t pay it. We have to search for bargains, and he won’t be one anymore. That doesn’t even account for him aging and likely declining over the course of the contract.

Great player. I hope I’m wrong about how much he will be missed.

Another casualty of our cap mismanagement.

Good post. Agree for the most part. IMO Hyman specializes in an area that we do not otherwise support : cycle-based scoring chances. He will never be a rush-scorer. That doesn't seem to work well for our group right now, who by all accounts seem to prefer scoring off rush chances and do not prefer a low cycle game.

 

[rumman]

He didn’t just leech off his line mates, he helped make them better. As Hyman moved around the lineup, dominant lines just followed him around. Hyman with Matthews and Nylander was our best line. Next season Hyman with Tavares and Marner was our best line. Next season Hyman with Matthews and Marner was our best line. Yes, he had good line mates, but when he left a line it always became much less effective. Even when he was paired with Mikheyev and Engvall, that line was extremely effective.

Yes, he doesn’t put up as many points with lesser line mates, but that’s true of 100% of players who have ever played hockey.

He is easily a top-6 winger, and he’s borderline legit 1st liner. I know I’d have trouble finding 32 LWs I think are better than him.

Having said that, we’re in a cap crunch and we can’t afford him. Even if I think he’s worth 5 million, we can’t pay it. We have to search for bargains, and he won’t be one anymore. That doesn’t even account for him aging and likely declining over the course of the contract.

Great player. I hope I’m wrong about how much he will be missed.

Another casualty of our cap mismanagement.

good analysis.

 

[ToneDog]

Boggles the mind how so many (Dubites I am guessing) are forgetting just how good Hyman was this year. Dubas has now dumped Kadri, Kappy, Cliffy, and now Hymie, most of the grit this team had. Not worried we got Malgin and Petan waiting in the wings to add more skill. In the big picture it won't matter because this team is going nowhere under the current management team.

 

[ottomaddox]

I love this Landeskog rumor, but how would TOR pull it off?

Dubas would have to let go of Hyman, Freddy, and pray that Kerfoot is chosen in the expansion draft.

How much is G.L. get on his next contract?

 

[rumman]

I love this Landeskog rumor, but how would TOR pull it off?

Dubas would have to let go of Hyman, Freddy, and pray that Kerfoot is chosen in the expansion draft.

How much is G.L. get on his next contract?

If people are worried about Hyman not aging well, you’ll be taking the same risks with Landy, power forwards don’t age well.

 

[Curt]

Boggles the mind how so many (Dubites I am guessing) are forgetting just how good Hyman was this year. Dubas has now dumped Kadri, Kappy, Cliffy, and now Hymie, most of the grit this team had. No worried we got Malgin and Petan waiting in the wings to add more skill. In the big picture it won't matter because this team is going nowhere under the current management team.

Go check out clarkson season before he came to the leafs.

 

[Magic Man]

With Oilers smoke in mind, who here likes Khaira?

Will see a raise regardless of which way his RFA offseason goes, but certainly has the potential to be structured in a tight cap landscape.

Big fan. He's the perfect 4th line wing. He has great size, decent feet and he is Anderson like in his pursuit of body checking. I'd be very happy if he is targeted. Hopefully in exchange for Engvall.

 

[ToneDog]

If people are worried about Hyman not aging well, you’ll be taking the same risks with Landy, power forwards don’t age well.

Chances of landing Landy are less than those to land Hyman. People are latching onto the lowball offer Sakic made thinking we can get him at a reasonable number. I don't see it.

Get the best goalie available and hope he can stand on his head when our powerful offence dries up another playoff (should they make it).

 

[ToneDog]

Go check out clarkson season before he came to the leafs.

Hyman was better than Clarkson and has gotten better with each year. Not saying I want to overpay but I am not claiming Hyman is now crap or is not needed like some posters are claiming.

 

[rumman]

Chances of landing Landy are less than those to land Hyman. People are latching onto the lowball offer Sakic made thinking we can get him at a reasonable number. I don't see it.

Get the best goalie available and hope he can stand on his head when our powerful offence dries up another playoff (should they make it).

The trick is to get young b level power forwards not yet elite. leafs have plenty of offence, surround it with young gritty players. The team could be made over very quickly if the GM had a clue on how to build a playoff winning team.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Hyman was better than Clarkson and has gotten better with each year. Not saying I want to overpay but I am not claiming Hyman is now crap or is not needed like some posters are claiming.

He was good for us but he hasn't been healthy and effective in the playoffs for a few years now. The Clarkson comparison isn't about his skill level it's about how fast he's going to break down.

 

[LaPlante94]

Hyman was better than Clarkson and has gotten better with each year. Not saying I want to overpay but I am not claiming Hyman is now crap or is not needed like some posters are claiming.

If you can get Saad for the same price as Hyman you do that easily though.

 

[ToneDog]

He was good for us but he hasn't been healthy and effective in the playoffs for a few years now. The Clarkson comparison isn't about his skill level it's about how fast he's going to break down.

I'd be worried about Hyman breaking down as well but rumor has it Leafs offered 8 years so they must think he has at least 5 good years left in him. Even so, Hymie has been real good, so good that he has priced himself out of T.O. Happy to explore other options though because there should be some bargains out there.

 

[ToneDog]

The trick is to get young b level power forwards not yet elite. leafs have plenty of offence, surround it with young gritty players. The team could be made over very quickly if the GM had a clue on how to build a playoff winning team.

Agree we need to surround our core with young gritty players but not sure we have plenty of offence after seeing the results of our last 2 playoff runs.

 

[rumman]

Agree we need to surround our core with young gritty players but not sure we have plenty of offence after seeing the results of our last 2 playoff runs.

Imo, that has more to do with the desire to win, if the elitists don’t want to do what it takes to win nothing changes. Shanahan and his boy wonder think this will just happen organically, I’m not convinced that’s the case, they just may be what we’ve seen and nothing more?

 

[Kurtz]

Boggles the mind how so many (Dubites I am guessing) are forgetting just how good Hyman was this year. Dubas has now dumped Kadri, Kappy, Cliffy, and now Hymie, most of the grit this team had. No worried we got Malgin and Petan waiting in the wings to add more skill. In the big picture it won't matter because this team is going nowhere under the current management team.

You understand that it's incredibly stupid to pay free agents for their past performance instead of future expectations, yes?

How do you expect a power foward with significant injury history to fare into his 30s?

 

[cookie]

So much shade being thrown at Lou for spending 2nds for Boyle and Plekanec but I'd like to hear more about spending so much for Nick freaking Foligno, who might not be returning.