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All this conversation about Hyman can be boiled down to the fact Scott Laughton and Adam Lowry re-upped with their teams for 5 years at 3.25-3.5M right around the deadline.
If Hyman isn’t willing to get something done in that ball park then you simply walk away and wish him the best.
 
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6M x 7 for Hyman?

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A GM that does this needs to be fired on the spot.
 
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Guy Boucher said:
TOR is dumb if they don't shop Rielly.
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If he’s willing to take an extension for around what Ryan Ellis got 8x6.25m then I think you can keep him. Luck has it Kessel’s 1.2m retention falls off after this season just in time for Mo’s new deal. if you’re looking at north of that into the 7’s I think you gotta shop him for sure.
 
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bossram said:
They're soft in the sense that they don't go chasing hits or look to punish the other team physically.

Yes, they do initiate contact and take contact to make plays. A guy like Gourde is the best at this. He's 5'9. He's not a conventional bruiser. Yet everyone keeps suggesting they need bigger and "tougher" players to play "physical".

No, they don't. They need good players who can make plays and drive the game. Gourde is a fringe 1st line player. He's on Tampa's 3rd line. That's why they're an elite team. Not because of some mystical intangible qualities.
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Ill have to respectfully disagree on the bolded. What I saw was Tampa initiating contact instead of reacting to it and finishing all their hits. They were much more physical of a team than I had anticipated.
 
Nylanderthal said:
All this conversation about Hyman can be boiled down to the fact Scott Laughton and Adam Lowry re-upped with their teams for 5 years at 3.25-3.5M right around the deadline.
If Hyman isn’t willing to get something done in that ball park then you simply walk away and wish him the best.
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The fact that his "hometown discount" deal involves a mandatory full NMC seems to suggest that Hyman and his agent know they're asking the team to sign a contract they're going to regret.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
I am fully aware of the assumption I am making on Dougie. Unfortunately when assessing the player with the facts that we do know that is the most obvious conclusion. Hard for me, or really anyone to overlook that TBH

The guy is 100% a top 15 defensemen in the league and has been for quite some time. One of the very best Right shot D-men in the league. Yet 3 teams were ok letting him go, and only 1 was related to "contract negotiations"....that is not speculation. That is fact. This to me does not add up. There have been more than a handful of players who don't drink or party. There are a ton of players who are classified as introverts. Hell, Luongo was known to never go out for dinners with his team and always ordered room service. Yet he somehow was still universally liked by all accounts. Eddy Olzcek doesn't drink, yet still went to the bars with his team on the road. What I am saying is his differing interests have nothing to do with him alienating himself from the team. My assumption is that Dougie has zero interest in doing anything outside of his comfort zone, which includes hanging out with his team voluntarily. On the ice I think we can all agree he is a great player, but we also have a ton of great players on our current roster. We need character. Not sure I've read a ton about Dougie's character, but I have read on the lack thereof. Fair or unfair, that's the book that has been out on Dougie for a while, I didn't write it, I just happen to believe where there is smoke there is fire.

Assumptions are never fair, which is why I finished what I said with our new Assistant Coach having input on this. I would trust his assessment far more than my own assumption, and If he feels he will work it is because he knows it can. However from an outside perspective this is not a very good look for Dougie. To me he would be buying a car with a check engine light on. I will just have to trust the previous owner that it works.
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So you admit your rationale is nearly entirely based on assumptions and speculation? You have absolutely zero insight into Hamilton's character and are looking at the same second-hand rumours as everyone else. By all accounts, Dougie is well-liked in Carolina and they want him back. But like all contract negotiations, there are numbers both the player and team don't want to go beyond.

By your logic, Justin Williams was a malcontent. I mean, 3 teams let him go!! If he was such a leader and a team guy, why wouldn't these teams keep him? It's hockey. Teams make hockey trades to try to improve their club.
 
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bossram said:
Goals. Goals were what was lacking against Montreal.

Honestly, I thought the Leafs showed a lot of pushback and "intensity" in games 5 and 6, storming back to take it to overtime (where they dominated the OT periods but lost because of incredibly bad mistakes from a couple individual plays). Those losses weren't anything to do with "sacrifice" or whatever. If they had zero willingness to "go to war", they could have just given up when the chips were already down.

It's just bizarre how many people like you continue saying, "Did you watch the games? They didn't have enough heart/grit/hardness/intensity/sacrifice!11!!@21!"

Like yes, I did watch the games. In game 7, they did not create nearly enough chances. In games 5 and 6, they did not get enough finish and had a few costly mistakes. Just incredibly bizarre the losses are attributed to some mystical qualities when what actually happened is pretty clear on the ice.
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Again like previous post we will have to agree to disagree. I personally have found the leafs to be a passive team for a while now who never stick up for each other the way other teams do. Watching a still hurt Hyman get flattened while the leaf players just skate by turns me off. Ive never seen a winning team do that and it certainly wasn't the first time. I am not a fan of passive play and I think when it comes to the playoffs its not a winning formula. Maybe they get past the Habs if Tavares doesn't go down or if they caught a lucky break but I didn't see a team that has the ability to go deeper in the playoffs while lacking intensity and willingness to do whatever it takes to win.
 
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Anything over 3 million for Hyman is not a discount. Can’t believe how overrated he’s gotten. This guy has feet for hands.
 
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myleafs said:
Ill have to respectfully disagree on the bolded. What I saw was Tampa initiating contact instead of reacting to it and finishing all their hits. They were much more physical of a team than I had anticipated.
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This is literally what I said: They don't chase hits or make hits for the sake of hit. They use contact as a means of advancing the play. And again, like I said, guys like Gourde are very good at this (despite being 5'9). The distinction here is Tampa's forward corps is composed of smart and effective players, knowing when to make contact and when not to. They're not just "physical".

Yet half the people on this board are still clamouring for conventional "toughness" and "big guys" and "crease clearers". It is extremely bizarre.
 
5 million over 8 with a Full No movement is an overpayment, but not terrible. Hopefully someone overpays him and it's probably Edmonton.
6 million over 7 is disgusting.
 
myleafs said:
Again like previous post we will have to agree to disagree. I personally have found the leafs to be a passive team for a while now who never stick up for each other the way other teams do. Watching a still hurt Hyman get flattened while the leaf players just skate by turns me off. Ive never seen a winning team do that and it certainly wasn't the first time. I am not a fan of passive play and I think when it comes to the playoffs its not a winning formula. Maybe they get past the Habs if Tavares doesn't go down or if they caught a lucky break but I didn't see a team that has the ability to go deeper in the playoffs while lacking intensity and willingness to do whatever it takes to win.
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We can disagree, but the reasons for disagreement on your end aren't logical.

Sure, you can argue they need more "compete". But they clearly needed to score more goals. I'm not sure how getting into more scrums or chasing revenge hits or whatever accomplishes that.

I mean, Foligno also went and fought Perry on Tavares' behalf, despite it being an accident. This didn't inspire some heroic comeback in game 1.
 
bossram said:
This is literally what I said: They don't chase hits or make hits for the sake of hit. They use contact as a means of advancing the play. And again, like I said, guys like Gourde are very good at this (despite being 5'9). The distinction here is Tampa's forward corps is composed of smart and effective players, knowing when to make contact and when not to. They're not just "physical".

Yet half the people on this board are still clamouring for conventional "toughness" and "big guys" and "crease clearers". It is extremely bizarre.
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Maybe a better way to put it is I see boys against men and I believe a top down philosophy of staying away from the physical aspect of the game. I do agree with you that maybe this team is not as good as they think they are.
 
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bossram said:
We can disagree, but the reasons for disagreement on your end aren't logical.

Sure, you can argue they need more "compete". But they clearly needed to score more goals. I'm not sure how getting into more scrums or chasing revenge hits or whatever accomplishes that.

I mean, Foligno also went and fought Perry on Tavares' behalf, despite it being an accident. This didn't inspire some heroic comeback in game 1.
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An example would be fore checking and hitting the Habs dmen relentlessly which would wear them down, make a mistake and get them thinking about it. Finishing checks, not taking shit from anyone has a trickle down effect and gets the other team to cough the puck up here and there which in turn can result in scoring chances.
 
bossram said:
We can disagree, but the reasons for disagreement on your end aren't logical.

Sure, you can argue they need more "compete". But they clearly needed to score more goals. I'm not sure how getting into more scrums or chasing revenge hits or whatever accomplishes that.

I mean, Foligno also went and fought Perry on Tavares' behalf, despite it being an accident. This didn't inspire some heroic comeback in game 1.
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Foligno gets it and has the kind of attitude I like in a player though in that case I believe the Perry hit was unintentional but it has to be everyone on board not just one guy.
 
stickty111 said:
5 million over 8 with a Full No movement is an overpayment, but not terrible. Hopefully someone overpays him and it's probably Edmonton.
6 million over 7 is disgusting.
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Im trying to picture Hyman being productive at 33-38 yrs old.....and I am not seeing it at all.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
The fact that his "hometown discount" deal involves a mandatory full NMC seems to suggest that Hyman and his agent know they're asking the team to sign a contract they're going to regret.
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This is what always got me with the Clarkson contract. Wait you think you're worth $5M a year... but you're afraid we'll want to send you to the minors?
 
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