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Didn't Dreger say the Leafs gave his agent permission to talk to other clubs?
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SeaOfBlue
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Oof, that sounds like a bunch of guys who don't know what they need to fix.
Maybe instead of looking in the mirror and thinking about how you can "try harder" to push the door open, you just look at the door that says "Pull".
This is why you draft for IQ, because high IQ players will figure it out. Our guys are apparently very high IQ players, but they definitely make a lot of low IQ plays. Pretty much they are the kid in the picture.
ya I 100% agree with this... A lot goes into making a successful team. Whether that is a pro hockey team, or a team in any given business. From every thing I have read, Dougie is beyond introverted. He has alienated himself out of 3 teams already. I think there are a lot more introverted people in the NHL than we expect, but I really do think Dougie has a level that is beyond the normal classification of introvert. I remember hearing a story about him going to a museum while everyone else on the flames was grabbing beers. It has nothing to do with having different interests from his teammates, and everything to do with having zero interest in your team at that point. If you cannot do something outside of your comfort zone in that regard, then what makes you think this guy would be comfortable in a Toronto playoff run. That is the epitome of uncomfortable. For someone of his talent level, being shipped out of 3 teams already is almost unheard of. There is clearly more than meets the eye with him. That said, if it was truly an issue in Carolina I imagine the new assistant coach we hired will have input on this. At this moment I just cannot ignore the red flags with Dougie.
Bolded is a fair enough criticism. Dubas overpaid on Matthews and certainly way overpaid on Marner.
But the diagnoses on the Vegas and Toronto series just don't make sense. Vegas is "known to compete". Well did they against Montreal? They certainly didn't play to their usual standards. Mark Stone had perhaps one of the worst stretches of hockey in his career. Did he forget how to compete?
It's just a terrible criticism that can be thrown around anywhere and everywhere to suit whatever situation you want.
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Josh Anderson can also take over a game in ways that Hyman cannot
What a hilariously nonsensical rationale.
I don't really want the Leafs to sign Hamilton (despite me being a fan and IMO he is a surefire 1D). But I could care less if a guy wants to go to the museum instead of getting some crappy drinks at Moxies. Christ almighty man.
How do you know he has "zero interest in the team?". Because he doesn't like partying? What a crock. Does he show up in the gym? Work hard at practice? Play for his teammates? Do what the coaches tell him? Those things signify a team player far more than getting beers at the bar.
I've been on a lot of sports teams. I've coached kids teams. I do believe there is something to team chemistry and team building. It does help performance. But I'd far far far far rather have the player who's effective on-the-ice but doesn't come to team parties than the player who thinks he's part of "the boys" but isn't any good and doesn't make an effort to get better.
He isn't being run out of Carolina. By all accounts he likes it there and the team wants him back. It's simply a question of the numbers on the contract and Carolina isn't willing to give him a blank cheque. Get real man.
SERAVALLI: Ice Breakers - Darcy Kuemper emerges as Leafs, Avalanche primary target - Daily Faceoff
Arizona Coyotes goaltender Darcy Kuemper has emerged as a primary target for the Toronto Maple Leafs and Colorado Avalanche. Both teams remain in contact and conversation with their pending free agents in Frederik Andersen and Philipp Grubauer, respectively, but trade talks have been ongoing with Arizona as the Avs and Leafs consider the goaltending market at-large. The Seattle Kraken are also believed to have interest in Kuemper.
Kuemper, 31, has one year remaining on his deal at $4.5 million AAV – with a real cash salary of $5.5 million. However, Kuemper’s camp has informed Arizona that an extension will not be in the cards. That development, coupled with Arizona’s internal cap budget rumored to be around $65 million next season, makes him a prime trade candidate.
Kuemper will be featured on the next edition of Trade Targets – if he remains on the board long enough for the next update.
It is possible that a deal for Kuemper materializes in short order, perhaps so that Arizona could move to protect Adin Hill in the upcoming Expansion Draft. The Avalanche, for one, do not have protection issues in net. But in an ideal scenario for Toronto, any transaction with Arizona would occur after the Expansion Draft, so Jack Campbell could be protected to play in tandem with Kuemper next season. Another option, of course, is that the Kraken make a deal with Arizona to make Kuemper available for selection.
The one question mark about Kuemper has been his durability. He has played just 27 and 29 games each of the last two seasons. The Saskatchewan native missed more than a month of last year’s shortened campaign with a lower-body injury. When healthy, he’s proven to be an upper-echelon netminder, registering a 53-42-13 record with .922 save percentage and 2.35 goals-against-average over his last three full seasons (111 appearances).
Arizona Coyotes goaltender Darcy Kuemper has emerged as a primary target for the Toronto Maple Leafs and Colorado Avalanche. Both teams remain in contact and conversation with their pending free agents in Frederik Andersen and Philipp Grubauer, respectively, but trade talks have been ongoing with Arizona as the Avs and Leafs consider the goaltending market at-large. The Seattle Kraken are also believed to have interest in Kuemper.
Kuemper, 31, has one year remaining on his deal at $4.5 million AAV – with a real cash salary of $5.5 million. However, Kuemper’s camp has informed Arizona that an extension will not be in the cards. That development, coupled with Arizona’s internal cap budget rumored to be around $65 million next season, makes him a prime trade candidate.
Kuemper will be featured on the next edition of Trade Targets – if he remains on the board long enough for the next update.
It is possible that a deal for Kuemper materializes in short order, perhaps so that Arizona could move to protect Adin Hill in the upcoming Expansion Draft. The Avalanche, for one, do not have protection issues in net. But in an ideal scenario for Toronto, any transaction with Arizona would occur after the Expansion Draft, so Jack Campbell could be protected to play in tandem with Kuemper next season. Another option, of course, is that the Kraken make a deal with Arizona to make Kuemper available for selection.
The one question mark about Kuemper has been his durability. He has played just 27 and 29 games each of the last two seasons. The Saskatchewan native missed more than a month of last year’s shortened campaign with a lower-body injury. When healthy, he’s proven to be an upper-echelon netminder, registering a 53-42-13 record with .922 save percentage and 2.35 goals-against-average over his last three full seasons (111 appearances).
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Hockey IQ goes out the window when playing in an intense and pressure-filled market like Toronto. When a stronger and more aggressive player on the opposing team is applying pressure how do our players react?Oof, that sounds like a bunch of guys who don't know what they need to fix.
Maybe instead of looking in the mirror and thinking about how you can "try harder" to push the door open, you just look at the door that says "Pull".
This is why you draft for IQ, because high IQ players will figure it out. Our guys are apparently very high IQ players, but they definitely make a lot of low IQ plays. Pretty much they are the kid in the picture.
Leaf's stars haven't shown any mental fortitude and ability to tune out all the noise when it's closing time in a series. They can be wrapped up in what's being said and try and play a loose game to show they don't feel pressure but it often looks like they come out unprepared and not ready to start the game as was the case in games 5, 6, and 7 vs the Habs
What should be simple plays, scoring chances, clearance opportunities are constantly fumbled by this team as they can't handle the pressure and cave in. We need a Mackinnon-type personality who displays his emotions to the fullest. We need a player who is able to calm the nerves down and go on the ice and get the team started on time.
Marner, Matthews, etc. aren't those types of leaders. They are more reserved and try and find their way through a game with them hiding their emotions in-game, hardly willing to get heated in an elimination game, and never willing to make a borderline play for the team's betterment.
We need a pest whose skilled enough to produce, whose voice can be respected on the ice and in the team room, and a player who isn't afraid of clutch moments. Kadri would have been ideal to been this guy but he's a dumbass who is on the other side of the spectrum and has no self-restraint.
Nylanderthal
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With the quality of the top 4 you can make room for high end prospects like liljegren and sandin. Dermott still in the picture for now too. A depth D man is far down the list IMO
BlueForever75
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If the Leafs were to trade with Arizona it may be a part of a larger deal and would need to happen after expansion draft as mentioned to give us the ability to protect Campbell for it.
Trading for Kuemper before is a lose-lose situation for the Leafs. As mentioned his durability issues does not help the Leafs if acquired before. They are in the same spot as they are with Campbell alone. Hope is that they have an attractive enough offer on the table which will allow Arizona to wait.
A deal surrounding Kuemper and Garland would be ideal. Both have been of interest to the Leafs. Here's hoping anyways.
hamzarocks
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Zach Hyman will be the next Kyle Okposo. He'll have two strong seasons of 55 point production if healthy before a sharp fall-off. He won't be handling the expectations that come with a 6M and 7 year deal. He needs to be putting 90% of Nylander's production at that figure while continuing to play his grinding style of hockey.
Best of luck to him, and whoever gets him. Despite being a worse team without him than with, I'm fine letting him walk at that figure. Not expecting much next year as is, and don't want a bad contract in case we enter rebuild 2.0 after next year.
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none of the aforementioned bring what Bogo does, and you usually get what you pay for. As it stands D will be weaker next year, not good, not good at all.
hamzarocks
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Naw he's straight ass, one of the most overrated players in hockey. Production was hideous while being given prime scoring opportunities. Hyman will be an NHLer longer than Anderson, who's going to be a cap dump within 3 years.
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You will come to realize that Hyman too is just as much ass as Anderson. At least Anderson throws the body around. Hyman is playing more and more like hes afraid. I dont know the last big hit he threw. It wasnt this past season thats for sure. Yes if mucks it up in the corners, and is great at puck retrieval. But that alone isnt worth what he is asking for.
Not in my books but supposedly not in Leafs brass books.
hamzarocks
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Hyman has been good for 60ish points the past two years. He will be a 50+ point player and continue to produce wherever he goes. He has a better offensive skills package than Anderson who has straight line speed only. Hyman is skilled enough to be the 5th best forward on a cup team, Anderson is a 3rd liner whose paid like a 1st liner.
Next year will be interesting to see how Hyman does. If he sees PP1 time and sees his production go up will be interesting, think he has 2-3 good offensive years in him still
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I can certainly see the critique of Anderson, for a guy at his pay level being on the 3rd line isn't flattering. IMO the upside of Anderson is quite high. I also like Hyman but I don't see the same unique quality that Anderson can bring in the playoffs.
Anderson, Wilson, and maybe Tkachuk are pretty rare types of player
I am fully aware of the assumption I am making on Dougie. Unfortunately when assessing the player with the facts that we do know that is the most obvious conclusion. Hard for me, or really anyone to overlook that TBH
The guy is 100% a top 15 defensemen in the league and has been for quite some time. One of the very best Right shot D-men in the league. Yet 3 teams were ok letting him go, and only 1 was related to "contract negotiations"....that is not speculation. That is fact. This to me does not add up. There have been more than a handful of players who don't drink or party. There are a ton of players who are classified as introverts. Hell, Luongo was known to never go out for dinners with his team and always ordered room service. Yet he somehow was still universally liked by all accounts. Eddy Olzcek doesn't drink, yet still went to the bars with his team on the road. What I am saying is his differing interests have nothing to do with him alienating himself from the team. My assumption is that Dougie has zero interest in doing anything outside of his comfort zone, which includes hanging out with his team voluntarily. On the ice I think we can all agree he is a great player, but we also have a ton of great players on our current roster. We need character. Not sure I've read a ton about Dougie's character, but I have read on the lack thereof. Fair or unfair, that's the book that has been out on Dougie for a while, I didn't write it, I just happen to believe where there is smoke there is fire.
Assumptions are never fair, which is why I finished what I said with our new Assistant Coach having input on this. I would trust his assessment far more than my own assumption, and If he feels he will work it is because he knows it can. However from an outside perspective this is not a very good look for Dougie. To me he would be buying a car with a check engine light on. I will just have to trust the previous owner that it works.
That can describe Leafs hockey, period, all the way back to 1994. I swear, the Leafs aren't lacking skill OR intensity, they're lacking LUCK. It's absolutely incredible how snakebit this team is; if something can go wrong, it WILL. And we've switched out the players, the coaches, the GM's, management, owners...
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Yeah but not Anderson would it be a surprise if they resign that will be the most funniest thing ever
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Folks can also breath a sigh of relief over Andersen.
Looks like the Leafs are just hedging their bets with him but likely sign someone else
I expect a Rielly extension to be announced by the draft at the latest by this point.
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