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$3M for 4 years is my max, I couldn't care less how "realistic" that is. You could tell me a sandwich costs a billion dollars, doesn't mean $10 is a bargain.
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$3M for 4 years is my max, I couldn't care less how "realistic" that is. You could tell me a sandwich costs a billion dollars, doesn't mean $10 is a bargain.
SeaOfBlue
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LOL Hyman is worth 3.5 x 4 years max... And he wants double the term and 1.5x the money with a full NMC.
The Leafs should not even want him back at that point. We can turn to a bunch of other guys.
The Leafs should not even want him back at that point. We can turn to a bunch of other guys.
with all due respect, Justin Williams and DOugie Hamilton are 2 very different players and provide very different reasons why they have played for multiple teams in their careers. Dougie has the potential of being a Norris candidate, whereas Justin was just the ultimate competitor. The reason Justin went to so many teams was because he was a proven winner with ice water in his veins. His departure from the teams he played on was because the team acquiring him was needing that clutch factor to push them over the hump. Which Justin was able to provide in spades. Additionally the team moving Justin was in the opposite scenario and was either not in a playoff picture or not a serious contender. There is a reason why he is infectiously referred to as Mr Game 7. His reputation and resume speak for itself. Dougie on the other hand was dispatched off of 2 budding rosters in Boston and Calgary and was very young at the time of these 2 trades. He had all the potential in the world and was already performing at a high level on both teams when he was traded. He was a cornerstone D-man that most would have considered building their D around. And remains that way to date. Why were Calgary and Boston so keen to move a 6'6 RD that is performing at an outstanding level with no signs of regression?
All I am saying is that there is reason to assume that there is more to the story.
and if he does in fact sign with us, I will trust that our new assistant who has had direct involvement with Dougie would know his character in and out, and that he would be a great addition. I recognize my suspicions could be off, but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its more than likely a duck
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Think we are underestimating how great Hyman has been for us. But with the same AAV I take Landeskog 11/10 times and I'm sure everyone else does as well
SeaOfBlue
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He's never provided us 5+ mill in value to us at any point in his career and that was through his prime. You aren't getting Hyman's prime years on his next deal.
5 mill would look bad from the beginning.
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I don't think 5M is horrible on a very short term deal (1-3 years). It's at worst manageable.
The issue is that's arguably the max money he should be making and it's only because he'd be taking such a short term deal. If he wants to start talking about 5+ years, the money needs to drop to around 3 to make it worth a team's while. Good for him though, it sounds like he's going to get paid.
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I agree with you, but i wouldnt go over 3, and only on the condition that he never set foot on the ice on the top 2 lines or the PP ever again
compare that 3.5 salary to Kerfoot.
Kerfoot can contribute on any line
he can play wing on top 2 lines and he's not out of place, and can setup the skill and is defensively sound.
he centers the 3rd line with ease
pk he's good
he should have gotten some PP time, as he is a great passer
...and we are hoping Seattle takes him and his 3.5mil contract off our hands.
then we want to give more than that to Hyman who is really a 3rd liner that we stick on the wing with our skill players and while he 'works hard' and gets fluke goals (and a bunch of empty netters 14 career ENG Marner is 2nd on the leafs with 9 career ENG's) doesnt actually contribute to the star players, they contribute to him.
Connor Brown scored 20 as a rookie, I imagine if he was flanking Matthews and Marner the past 2 seasons he'd be a 30 goal guy, and looking for a mega salary too.
is he worth more than 3.5, NO
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Let's hope Ken Holland and Benning outbid each other on the Hyman Weepstakes!
Canucks and Oilers getting themselves screwed in a flat cap world is awesome.
Canucks and Oilers getting themselves screwed in a flat cap world is awesome.
rumman
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Dubas will be playing GM wack a mole trying to fill all the holes in this roster. And doing it with limited cap guarantees it’ll be a s**t show. Should be entertaining……
nuck
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Tomas Tatar on a 2 year deal. His pp60 in the last 3 years 2.67, 2.59. 2.02 which is better than Hyman and generated while playing with the Habs popgun offense. He will cost very little based on a weak 20-21 season. Doesn't play Zach's game of course but for simply replacing top 9 scoring he would be way more reliable than hoping Galchenyuk or Robertson can own a spot.
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Love it when the media hacks start throwing s**t at the wall, guaranteed something sticks……anything sticks.
rumman
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Why, he can’t make the “lowly” Habs playoff roster. Should be top line material here?
nuck
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I don't know what his issue was this year but he was a productive player for the Habs the previous two seasons and is a decent bet for 50pts next year. I don't think the Leafs care who fit into Ducharme's playoff game plan because Keefe teams won't play that way. When you have $3M or less to pay a top liner maybe he does but I am thinking replacing Kerfoot/Thornton minutes. Depends on the hair cut he is prepared to take of course.
rumman
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Your right on one point, Keefe’s teams won’t play that way…….they’ll probably continue to lose. Interim head coach Ducharme schooled Keefe this playoffs so I think he know a bit more about icing a winning hockey team than Sheldon f**king Keefe.
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Ducharme also thought it was a smart idea to healthy scratch Caufield to start the playoffs.
Tatar isn't a rookie, we've got a decent history of play to look at and shouldn't let the fact that one coach didn't like him be any major deciding to sign or not sign him.
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Caufield not being dressed to start the series makes perfect sense, the kids a rookie who had zero playoff experience, AND if Tatar COULD have contributed he wouldn’t have been benched. I get it though, some want the once offensively gifted player more than improving the team. To each there own…….
rumman
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Just what the Leafs need, another playoff choke artist, ought to fit in well with the Shanaplan?
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"Once offensively gifted" sounds like Thornton or Marleau
. Tatar had 61pts in 68 games in 19-20 which isn't exactly ancient history. So assuming you have less than $3M to spend on a top 9 guy who is your pick?
rumman
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Someone, anyone who doesn’t disappear in the playoffs."Once offensively gifted" sounds like Thornton or Marleau
nuck
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I'd love a basis of Rielly + Hyman with contract in hand for Schmidt + JT Miller
Miller would be sick nasty on the top line and is one intense asshole which this team needs. Gives the leafs some cost certainty in the top 6 and top 4 for a couple years too.
Miller would be sick nasty on the top line and is one intense asshole which this team needs. Gives the leafs some cost certainty in the top 6 and top 4 for a couple years too.
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