GDT: Trades & Free Agency Thread - Off-Season Early Edition

[Nylander88]

I dont believe a single word that comes out of Berger.

Guy has already took down his tweet

 

[shortfuze]

Definitely not. But worth mentioning when we all need some excitement right now lol

Trading Nylander in this situation isn’t excitement.

 

[Nylander88]

I am one of those who think Soup and Engvall can be effective players for the Leafs. They just need another player on that line to lead them. When Hyman was there, that line was fantastic and there were times in the playoffs where those two with Simmonds were just crashing and banging- non stop.

Personally I want to upgrade on them. But if we want to spend big money on guys like Hall or Hamilton then yeah, we do have a ready made, cheap, third line option in house. Mikheyev-Engvall-Simmonds was a respectable unit in the playoffs. For me that's worst case, as I want to see more overturn in that middle 6, but at least we know this line works if we need, and for cheap

 

[Nylander88]

Trading Nylander in this situation isn’t excitement.

If you think you can get Taylor Hall for cheaper than Nylander's 6.96m (which you likely can and would)..the move would make a lot of sense. Bertuzzj & first for Nylander. Sign Hall on July 28th.
Hall, Bertuzzj, 1st Rd pick for Nylander.....
You'd have to pull the trigger on that imo. And I like Nylander

 

[Cappuccino]

If you think you can get Taylor Hall for cheaper than Nylander's 6.96m (which you likely can and would)..the move would make a lot of sense. Bertuzzj & first for Nylander. Sign Hall on July 28th.
Hall, Bertuzzj, 1st Rd pick for Nylander.....
You'd have to pull the trigger on that imo. And I like Nylander

if Dubas, on top of that, can land Hamilton (to play with Sandin or Dermott) and trades Rielly, we can get some nice picks back and may be upgraded overall.

 

[rumman]

Howard Berger...take this for whatever it's worth. Exciting none the less. Would be a major shakeup. We would have money to offer Hall 5mil with some term if that's what he's after too.
Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
Hall-Tavares-???

Much different looking top 6. I actually really like Nylander. Loved his playoffs, and think his contract is definitely not the issue. But I have to say...he's no Bertuzzi. And we need a facelift. Bertuzzi and a first round pick for Nylander? If you think you can get Hall too ..it makes even more sense. Hall makes no sense imo if Marner & Nylander are both back. Maybe re-sign Galchenyuk cheap to play on that second line

I’d trade Nylander in a New York minute, but not for a power forward with a bad back. Folino says hi.

 

[ryno23]

I wonder how much the last 2 years would have changed if the Kadri for Brodie and Jankowski deal wouldn't have been vetoed by Kadri.

Imagine Brodie playing with Rielly in 2019 vs Ceci? Leafs probably end up with more points and don't play CBJ in the 1st round. Ceci is probably not signed to a 4.5 million qualifying offer and allowed to walk. We don't have the Barrie fiasco to deal with and Kerfoot while a nice player is not eating up 3.5 million. Jankowski was never good in CGY but would have been a part player here.

I think Dubas made the right trade 1st trying to get Brodie but Kadri screwed the Leafs over.

 

[pspot]

Hall probably isn't getting the interest his agent was hoping so they are floating Leafs to get some media chatter

 

[ToneDog]

I wonder how much the last 2 years would have changed if the Kadri for Brodie and Jankowski deal wouldn't have been vetoed by Kadri.

Imagine Brodie playing with Rielly in 2019 vs Ceci? Leafs probably end up with more points and don't play CBJ in the 1st round. Ceci is probably not signed to a 4.5 million qualifying offer and allowed to walk. We don't have the Barrie fiasco to deal with and Kerfoot while a nice player is not eating up 3.5 million. Jankowski was never good in CGY but would have been a part player here.

I think Dubas made the right trade 1st trying to get Brodie but Kadri screwed the Leafs over.

IIRC Ceci was qualified by the Sens so that was a non-starter. You want to move Z, you take Ceci. Too bad Kadri did not veto the trade to Colorado.

 

[Budz]

Hall probably isn't getting the interest his agent was hoping so they are floating Leafs to get some media chatter

I think the Leafs are leaking fake interest to drive up the price on Boston.

 

[Jozay]

Hall probably isn't getting the interest his agent was hoping so they are floating Leafs to get some media chatter

Ferris made the call to Dreger to drum some shit up. Its so obvious.

 

[ryno23]

IIRC Ceci was qualified by the Sens so that was a non-starter. You want to move Z, you take Ceci. Too bad Kadri did not veto the trade to Colorado.

No, the Leafs qualified Ceci on July 4th and the Kadri deal went down on July 1st so I presume the Brodie deal was nixed probably a day or 2 before the deal with Colorado. Leafs probably don't qualify Ceci and let him walk as they found Brodie to pair with Reilly and paying Ceci 4.5 million to play on the 3rd pairing wouldn't have been done. Freeing up 4.5 million in cap space.

 

[ToneDog]

No, the Leafs qualified Ceci on July 4th and the Kadri deal went down on July 1st so I presume the Brodie deal was nixed probably a day or 2 before the deal with Colorado. Leafs probably don't qualify Ceci and let him walk as they found Brodie to pair with Reilly and paying Ceci 4.5 million to play on the 3rd pairing wouldn't have been done. Freeing up 4.5 million in cap space.

Pretty sure the Leafs did not qualify Ceci, the Sens did and hence why Leafs could simply not walk away from Ceci. If I am not mistaken Dubas signed Ceci for 4.5m after acquiring him..

Restricted Free Agency

A free agent’s status, whether restricted or unrestricted, is governed largely by age and professional experience. Cody Ceci found himself an RFA for the second time in his career this off-season, despite having already accrued five NHL seasons of playing experience.

To retain the rights to an RFA, a team must tender a qualifying offer. These qualifying offers are based upon a player’s salary in the preceding season and the number of NHL games played. The offer cannot be less than the player’s salary in the preceding season, and if the player has played more than 180 NHL games, it must be one-way.

Ceci’s expiring two-year contract paid him a salary of $3.35 million in the 2017-18 season and he has played 366 NHL games in his career. The Senators qualifying offer to Ceci simply satisfied the CBA mandated minimums, $3.35 million on a one-year contract.

Select RFAs are eligible for salary arbitration which, as mentioned before, offers players the opportunity to argue for a higher salary based on their performance. Like their RFA status, a player’s eligibility for arbitration is governed by the age at which they signed their first contract and how much professional playing time they have accrued. Ceci is a player who qualified for those arbitration rights, and he opted for salary arbitration after receiving the qualifying offer from the Senators.

From another article:

Last season, Ceci scored seven goals and 19 assists for 26 points in 74 games. He also added 18 minutes in penalties. His possession numbers were 44.1 percent Corsi-For and a relative Corsi of -1.9. Ceci is a restricted free agent, with arbitration rights. He is coming off a one-year, $4.3 million contract. The Senators extended Ceci a qualifying offer to retain his rights. The qualifying offer would be a one-year contract at a minimum of $4.3 million.

 

[ryno23]

Pretty sure the Leafs did not qualify Ceci, the Sens did and hence why Leafs could simply not walk away from Ceci. If I am not mistaken Dubas signed Ceci for 4.5m after acquiring him..

Restricted Free Agency

A free agent’s status, whether restricted or unrestricted, is governed largely by age and professional experience. Cody Ceci found himself an RFA for the second time in his career this off-season, despite having already accrued five NHL seasons of playing experience.

To retain the rights to an RFA, a team must tender a qualifying offer. These qualifying offers are based upon a player’s salary in the preceding season and the number of NHL games played. The offer cannot be less than the player’s salary in the preceding season, and if the player has played more than 180 NHL games, it must be one-way.

Ceci’s expiring two-year contract paid him a salary of $3.35 million in the 2017-18 season and he has played 366 NHL games in his career. The Senators qualifying offer to Ceci simply satisfied the CBA mandated minimums, $3.35 million on a one-year contract.

Select RFAs are eligible for salary arbitration which, as mentioned before, offers players the opportunity to argue for a higher salary based on their performance. Like their RFA status, a player’s eligibility for arbitration is governed by the age at which they signed their first contract and how much professional playing time they have accrued. Ceci is a player who qualified for those arbitration rights, and he opted for salary arbitration after receiving the qualifying offer from the Senators.

From another article:

Last season, Ceci scored seven goals and 19 assists for 26 points in 74 games. He also added 18 minutes in penalties. His possession numbers were 44.1 percent Corsi-For and a relative Corsi of -1.9. Ceci is a restricted free agent, with arbitration rights. He is coming off a one-year, $4.3 million contract. The Senators extended Ceci a qualifying offer to retain his rights. The qualifying offer would be a one-year contract at a minimum of $4.3 million.

No, they could have walked away if he got more than 4.3 mil in arb. Dubas instead signed him for 4.5 as always giving a few extra hundred thousand on deals when he doesn't have to. Ceci got more than 4.3 he should have been allowed to walk and the Leafs could have signed someone else for less than 4.3. Dubas however probably fell in love with his analytics and that cost him.

It should be stated that the alternate route to take, contractually, would be to wait out Ceci and force him to either accept the minimum offer of 1 year at $4.3M, or go to arbitration and try to earn a good chunk more. The CBA states that during arbitration, if a player is awarded more than $4.3M, the team can simply walk away. The problem is that A) you still need to sign someone to play defence, and B) you don’t gain any assets from the eventual future trade of Cody Ceci. This is a bet that the Leafs management seems completely willing to take.

 

[stickty111]

If you are trading a core player, Marner is the guy who should be moved.
Also Hall isn't as good as Nylander so you don't improve in that swap even with Bertuzzi coming back.

 

[Cor]

No, they could have walked away if he got more than 4.3 mil in arb. Dubas instead signed him for 4.5 as always giving a few extra hundred thousand on deals when he doesn't have to. Ceci got more than 4.3 he should have been allowed to walk and the Leafs could have signed someone else for less than 4.3. Dubas however probably fell in love with his analytics and that cost him.

It should be stated that the alternate route to take, contractually, would be to wait out Ceci and force him to either accept the minimum offer of 1 year at $4.3M, or go to arbitration and try to earn a good chunk more. The CBA states that during arbitration, if a player is awarded more than $4.3M, the team can simply walk away. The problem is that A) you still need to sign someone to play defence, and B) you don’t gain any assets from the eventual future trade of Cody Ceci. This is a bet that the Leafs management seems completely willing to take.

Ceci wasn't going to arbitration. He was taking the Q/O

 

[stickty111]

If you think you can get Taylor Hall for cheaper than Nylander's 6.96m (which you likely can and would)..the move would make a lot of sense. Bertuzzj & first for Nylander. Sign Hall on July 28th.
Hall, Bertuzzj, 1st Rd pick for Nylander.....
You'd have to pull the trigger on that imo. And I like Nylander

You are better off doing that deal with Marner. Just needs more expanding.

 

[WTFMAN99]

17th is the day that teams need to submit their protected lists so you may see some shuffling mid-end of week.

 

[LaPlante94]

Is Carolina still looking for a top 6 forward?

 

[hamzarocks]

Is Carolina still looking for a top 6 forward?

Doubt it they are going to move from Fogele b/c they don't have a top 6 spot for him

Aho, TT, Svech, Necas, Staal, Trochek are there for top 6 for them

 

[Mickey Marner]

17th is the day that teams need to submit their protected lists so you may see some shuffling mid-end of week.

I've noticed that the teams who traded with Vegas last time around seem to have the exact same problem they had last time.

Minnesota has to choose between Dumba or expose a forward like Greenway.

Pittsburgh has a goaltending dilemma yet again.

Florida once again has to decide whether to go 7-3 or 4-4 and who knows what they'll do.

The Islanders have too many forwards and defensemen left exposed with a contract (Ladd, previously Grabovski) that they're trying to get rid of.

Winnipeg has shifted from wanting to protect an additional defenseman (Enstrom) to a forward (Appleton), so that's new, I guess.

These dudes just don't learn.

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've noticed that the teams who traded with Vegas last time around seem to have the exact same problem they had last time.

Minnesota has to choose between Dumba or expose a forward like Greenway.

Pittsburgh has a goaltending dilemma yet again.

Florida once again has to decide whether to go 7-3 or 4-4 and who knows what they'll do.

The Islanders have too many forwards and defensemen left exposed with a contract (Ladd, previously Grabovski) that they're trying to get rid of.

Winnipeg has shifted from wanting to protect an additional defenseman (Enstrom) to a forward (Appleton), so that's new, I guess.

These dudes just don't learn.

Minnesota should just lose Greenway
Easy to project Jarry this time I think, no?
Florida seemed straight forward for mock
NYI probably should just lose Leddy
WPG should just accept they're losing Appleton, maybe Stanley if Seattle is a little silly.

 

[VanW27]

Minnesota should just lose Greenway
Easy to project Jarry this time I think, no?
Florida seemed straight forward for mock
NYI probably should just lose Leddy
WPG should just accept they're losing Appleton, maybe Stanley if Seattle is a little silly.

Sandin for Greenway

 

[hamzarocks]

He'd be a part of a Marner package if the Rangers had cap space to fit him in (which they might sicne they're linked to Eichel) but I doubt we trade marner and doubt the rangers have interest with them already having the better version of Marner in Panarin