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Quick Shifts: Is a Timothy Liljegren trade coming?

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1. Where do the Toronto Maple Leafs and Timothy Liljegren go from here?

Even with a third-pairing, right-shot defenceman more suited to the GM and coach's vision injured (off-season recruit Jani Hakanpää), Liljegren couldn't squeeze into the lineup on the club's first road trip.

The 2017 first-rounder has been leapfrogged not only by Conor Timmins (a decent puck-mover who can ill afford to keep averaging one bad penalty per game) but perhaps the bigger and cheaper Philippe Myers as well.

Yes, Brad Treliving is working the phones trying to move Liljegren and his $3-million cap hit, but if it were that easy to trade a third-pair D-man with a second-pair salary, it would've happened already.

There isn't urgency yet, but there could be soon.

Toronto is maxed out in NHL contracts and cap space, and eventually LTIR players like Hakanpää, Connor Dewar, and Calle Järnkrok will be healthy.

None of those players can be activated for nine more games, so Treliving has time.

Should another Leaf get injured in the meantime, the pressure to move Liljegren gets delayed. Maybe one of the league's other 31 teams falls victim to injuries and gets desperate for a righty (the L.A. Kings already lost a good one.) And, heck, there is still very much a chance the team needs him. He's a useful NHL-level talent, and at age 25, his best games should still rest ahead.

Ultimately, however, we don't see a long-term future here between an inconsistent — and, likely, frustrated, player — and a regime that didn't draft him.

Berube — who won his Cup with a bunch of big, nasty D-men — has made it clear that he prefers his blueliners huge. ("They get in the way," he chuckles.) Ditto for Treliving.

So, the Leafs are willing to play this out for at least a couple weeks, but at some point something must change.

Either Liljegren gets into the lineup and fights for more work, or he falls victim to a cap crunch and gets a fresh start in a different sweater.
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See I would want at least a 2nd or 3rd+4th for him because I have a feeling he's going to do better elsewhere but we might get squeezed if we get healthier and guys start coming back.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
See I would want at least a 2nd or 3rd+4th for him because I have a feeling he's going to do better elsewhere but we might get squeezed if we get healthier and guys start coming back.
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The problem is if he isn't playing and we're paying him 3M this year and next that seriously harms his value

I think he may do alright somewhere else but he isn't going to do it here and that 3M has value to us

I'm at the point where I'd happily let him go for nothing just to get the cap space and roster spot
 
Kiwi said:
The problem is if he isn't playing and we're paying him 3M this year and next that seriously harms his value

I think he may do alright somewhere else but he isn't going to do it here and that 3M has value to us

I'm at the point where I'd happily let him go for nothing just to get the cap space and roster spot
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The nothing part would have been easier for me to sign off on in the summer when we could have solidified RD with Roy and Tanev.

We should maybe do pump and dump? Give him heavy offensive zone starts, PP1 etc, inflate his stats and then see if that gets us a better return.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
The nothing part would have been easier for me to sign off on in the summer when we could have solidified RD with Roy and Tanev.

We should maybe do pump and dump? Give him heavy offensive zone starts, PP1 etc, inflate his stats and then see if that gets us a better return.
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That's what I thought we may do, inflate his stats and entice some sucker to take him off our hands but I don't think Berube is built that way

What a waste, when I think of the guys we could have gone after with that extra money I cringe

OEL + Liljegren is over 6M
Liljegren + Jarnkrok is over 5M
Liljegren + Kampf is 5.4M

That's middle 6C or middle pair RD money
 
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Saturday Headlines: Latest buzz around Rangers' Shesterkin

3:43 | October 12, 2024

On this edition of Saturday Headlines, Elliotte Friedman discusses the Rangers ongoing contract negotiations with Igor Shesterkin and the Maple Leafs plans for Timothy Liljegren and also provides injury updates for Tyler Myers and Macklin Celebrini.
 
Kiwi said:
That's what I thought we may do, inflate his stats and entice some sucker to take him off our hands but I don't think Berube is built that way

What a waste, when I think of the guys we could have gone after with that extra money I cringe

OEL + Liljegren is over 6M
Liljegren + Jarnkrok is over 5M
Liljegren + Kampf is 5.4M

That's middle 6C or middle pair RD money
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I am not sure why you have OEL on this list. We are lucky to have him and I have believe be is playing as well or better than Roy or Skjei are so far. The other three on your list save us $8M and two of them aren't even in the lineup right now. We could use that space to add to this the D. Can we get a top four D now and run a third pair of OEL and Hakanpaa? That seems interesting.

We may be OK at C with Matthews, Tavares, Domi, Holmberg, Lorentz, Dewar and Minten. We shouldn't forget about what he could bring if some ice time and opportunities open up.
 
I think Liljegren for Pettersson might happen as soon as the pens almost as soon as American thanksgiving.
 
More of a TDL option, but I'm interested in Brock Nelson. One year left at 6 million, so with 50% retention we'll be able to fit him in

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Nelson - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Dewar - Holmberg - Lorentz

Move off Kampf + Jarnkrok and you get 4.6 million
 
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conFABulator said:
I am not sure why you have OEL on this list. We are lucky to have him and I have believe be is playing as well or better than Roy or Skjei are so far. The other three on your list save us $8M and two of them aren't even in the lineup right now. We could use that space to add to this the D. Can we get a top four D now and run a third pair of OEL and Hakanpaa? That seems interesting.

We may be OK at C with Matthews, Tavares, Domi, Holmberg, Lorentz, Dewar and Minten. We shouldn't forget about what he could bring if some ice time and opportunities open up.
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I think we're going to need a 3C who's capable of playing a 2-way game, a lot of those guys you listed are limited either offensively or defensively

OEL is a good player but he's already in his early 30's, I'd rather spend more and get a younger player for the top 4
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So some people like what Timmins is delivering or is it somewhere else?
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He's alright but he's a fringe top 6D imo, I think Liljegren is a better player
 
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Kiwi said:
That's what I thought we may do, inflate his stats and entice some sucker to take him off our hands but I don't think Berube is built that way

What a waste, when I think of the guys we could have gone after with that extra money I cringe

OEL + Liljegren is over 6M
Liljegren + Jarnkrok is over 5M
Liljegren + Kampf is 5.4M

That's middle 6C or middle pair RD money
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To be fair... the Leafs apparently aggressively pursued Roy -- which would have almost certainly not signing OEL, and likely trading Liljegren. It was Roy's choice to go elsewhere (apparently like Pesce not wanting to play in Canada).

As for Liljegren+Kampf, or Liljegren + Jarnkrok, it does not seem immediately clear that there was a $4m-$5m centre out there.
 
Pinto said:
Knowing Jarnkrok + Liljegren nearly covers Matt Roy is rather frustrating.
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It doesn't really.

1. Jarnkrok currently does not fit on the Leafs roster / cap hit at all. In order to bring him off LTIR, they have to clear $2.1m in space. He's basically an "extra part" from a cap space standpoint right now.

2. Even if the Leafs had room for Jarnkrok on the current roster, you can't just "combine" 2 players salaries for one. You've still got to fill out a roster, which typically means replacing Jarnkrok with a replacement-level player.

3. Matt Roy apparently chose Washington over Toronto, sighting a preference to play in the States. He signed for $5.75m in Washington. Let's say it took $6.5m to get him here.. to fit that kind of hit in, you're looking at Liljegren ($3m), OEL to "Myers" ($2.725m), and probably David Kampf out as well.... given that neither McMann or Reaves gets you quite there.
 
seanlinden said:
It doesn't really.

1. Jarnkrok currently does not fit on the Leafs roster / cap hit at all. In order to bring him off LTIR, they have to clear $2.1m in space. He's basically an "extra part" from a cap space standpoint right now.

2. Even if the Leafs had room for Jarnkrok on the current roster, you can't just "combine" 2 players salaries for one. You've still got to fill out a roster, which typically means replacing Jarnkrok with a replacement-level player.

3. Matt Roy apparently chose Washington over Toronto, sighting a preference to play in the States. He signed for $5.75m in Washington. Let's say it took $6.5m to get him here.. to fit that kind of hit in, you're looking at Liljegren ($3m), OEL to "Myers" ($2.725m), and probably David Kampf out as well.... given that neither McMann or Reaves gets you quite there.
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1. True.

2. Wouldn’t really be a concern here as Jarnkrok and Liljegren already aren’t in the lineup, so filling out the roster isn’t really a concern. With Roy, you still have Timmins and Myers as spares, and Hakanpaa in the wings (or don’t bother signing him for extra cap). Even without Jarnkrok we still have Dewar and one of Reaves/whoever they want to scratch as spares.

3. I’ve seen conflicting reports on that. I remember seeing from one of the talking heads the day he was signed, that the leafs were very close on Roy, they just wouldn’t go that high. But I’ve also seen what you said, that he didn’t want to play in Canada

No use worrying about it now though I suppose.
 
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