Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[TheShape]

Jarnkrok + Liljegren for Murphy if we’ve really given up on Lilly.

Kampf to highest bidder once Dewar is ready.

Jarnkrok would be of no value to the Hawks given their timeline, so it becomes Liljegren for Murphy. In that case, Chicago could fetch a better return for Murphy.

Just get a pick for him and be done with it, it frees up 3M and we're not exactly flush with picks either so another one won't hurt

The extra 3m could've been better spent in the offseason, not sure how much it does for us now. I'd rather just play Liljegren and pump his value a bit, he's not any worse than Timmins.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Six way-too-early observations on the new-look Maple Leafs - The Athletic

6. Kämpf on the outs?

Kämpf not being the go-to centre on the PK is a curious development. It’s not that he hasn’t played there at all (there’s been a 3:52 split over the two games), but the fact he’s rolled out only sporadically has led to some speculation that he could be the player on the outs.

Now, if Lorentz is going to play this well, while making less than a third of what Kämpf does against the cap, that’s going to obviously create some food for thought at the bottom of the lineup. Plus Holmberg and the currently injured Connor Dewar can give them good minutes on the fourth line and PK, too.

Maybe you do move Kämpf at some point. Timothy Liljegren still remains candidate No. 1, and his $3 million cap hit would free up a lot of the necessary room to bring players off of LTIR, but the Leafs are so far over that moving more than one salary could make a lot of sense.

As I wrote earlier in the week, Toronto’s salary-cap situation and logjam of players should create a lot of healthy competition in this first month of the season. That’s certainly been evident on the ice through two games, with the Leafs’ effort level — especially from the supporting cast — being very noticeable.

 

[Kiwi]

Jarnkrok would be of no value to the Hawks given their timeline, so it becomes Liljegren for Murphy. In that case, Chicago could fetch a better return for Murphy.



The extra 3m could've been better spent in the offseason, not sure how much it does for us now. I'd rather just play Liljegren and pump his value a bit, he's not any worse than Timmins.

It frees up enough money to bring guys back and take them off LTIR

 

[Rare Jewel]

Just get a pick for him and be done with it, it frees up 3M and we're not exactly flush with picks either so another one won't hurt

I'd rather get a body back. Too much time on developing him to just chuck him for a mid round pick, also considering I'd just have in the line up.

The idea with Cates is probably the way I'd go if he has to be moved.

 

[Kiwi]

I'd rather get a body back. Too much time on developing him to just chuck him for a mid round pick, also considering I'd just have in the line up.

The idea with Cates is probably the way I'd go if he has to be moved.

He's not valuable enough to bring you back anything useful, just somebody in a similar situation

 

[Rare Jewel]

He's not valuable enough to bring you back anything useful, just somebody in a similar situation

I'd add if it's reasonable, but I'd take that over a mid round pick all day.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wouldn’t mind Cates. I’d do something around Kampf + for Cates and run these lines.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Domi - McMann
Cates - Holmberg - Lorentz
Reaves

 

[Rare Jewel]

I wouldn’t mind Cates. I’d do something around Kampf + for Cates and run these lines.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Pacioretty - Domi - McMann
Cates - Holmberg - Lorentz
Reaves

I think you throw him right in @ C

Get JT and Kampf to do a face-off crash course with him.

 

[Kiwi]

I'd add if it's reasonable, but I'd take that over a mid round pick all day.

We have a 2nd this year and not a lot else

We can't really afford to add what would be required to get a good middle 6C

 

[Rare Jewel]

We have a 2nd this year and not a lot else

We can't really afford to add what would be required to get a good middle 6C

They are giving up a guy who still has decent potential himself in Liljegren. Wouldn't surprise me if Timmy still carves out something like Stralman did for himself.

 

[ULF_55]

Keefe pretty much butchered the handling of every single prospect, didn’t he?

Outside of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, which young guys developed under Keefe? Of course, you could make a compelling case that he failed with those 3 as well…

Dermott, Liljegren, and Sandin were all poorly handled on the blueline. Robertson was mishandled.

Kapanen, Engvall, and Holmberg… meh. Not terrible like the others, but certainly not great.

Just coincidence Holmberg looks like a true NHLER this year.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

The 4th line with Lorents and McMann looks amazing. If we can find a Kampf replacement that is actually physical and a better skater that line will give defesemen nightmares on the forecheck. A guy like Cizikas at his cap hit would look great with those two in NY falls off.

 

[rumman]

They are giving up a guy who still has decent potential himself in Liljegren. Wouldn't surprise me if Timmy still carves out something like Stralman did for himself.

Who cares, Timmins/Lilly aren’t getting it done here, why worry about if they can carve out a career elsewhere. In time it will be abundantly clear neither are good fits for this team………

 

[Rare Jewel]

Who cares, Timmins/Lilly aren’t getting it done here, why worry about if they can carve out a career elsewhere. In time it will be abundantly clear neither are good fits for this team………

That's how you make bad trades.

For me, Timmy is ahead of Timmins basically every thing aside from outlet passing. But when it comes to defending, whether it be lines or in-zone, Timmy is better and thus, should be in the line-up IMO.

Timmins' bread and butter is outlet passing so he's a better fit for their guy Benoit.

But I mean it's nothing new, Toronto and the fans eat Defenceman alive, and too often the baby as gone out with the bath water or there has just been a plain lack of appreciation i.e. Gardiner.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I still think I’d do

Marner + Kampf + Liljgren
For
Larrsson + Tanev + Wright

Knies-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Pacioretty-Wright-Robertson
Tanev-Holmberg-Lorentz

Reilly-Tanev
OEL-Larsson
Benoit-McCabe

 

[ULF_55]

That's how you make bad trades.

For me, Timmy is ahead of Timmins basically every thing aside from oulet passing. But when it comes to defending, whether it be lines or in-zone, Timmy is better and thus, should be in the line-up IMO.

Timmins bread and butter is outlet passing so he's a better fit for their guy Benoit.

But I mean it's nothing new, Toronto and the fans eat Defenceman alive, and too often the baby as gone out with the bath water or there has just been a plain lack of appreciation i.e. Gardiner.

Not sure Leafs fans have much recent experience with good defenders.

Am I misremembering that Lindholm was a bad defenseman until Leafs had to play against him in Boston?

 

[Evilhomer]

I wonder if the Leafs look at a guy like Whalstrom on the Islanders. In a fairly similar situation in the sense of being a first round pick that hasn't worked out, but comes at a third of the price.

 

[meefer]

Who cares, Timmins/Lilly aren’t getting it done here, why worry about if they can carve out a career elsewhere. In time it will be abundantly clear neither are good fits for this team………

Fair enough. Just no comments about ‘those that got away’.

 

[BM14]

That's how you make bad trades.

For me, Timmy is ahead of Timmins basically every thing aside from oulet passing. But when it comes to defending, whether it be lines or in-zone, Timmy is better and thus, should be in the line-up IMO.

Timmins bread and butter is outlet passing so he's a better fit for their guy Benoit.

But I mean it's nothing new, Toronto and the fans eat Defenceman alive, and too often the baby as gone out with the bath water or there has just been a plain lack of appreciation i.e. Gardiner.

Timmins is better than Liljegren at one thing: falling down.

 

[Puckstuff]

This team needs a 2/3 C so we can split up Tavares and Nylander. If you put a playmaker like Granlund in between Robertson and Nylander rather than a shooter/cycle guy like Tavares, LOOK out.

Kampf + Liljegren for Granlund

Knies — Matthews - Domi
Robertson-Granlund-Nylander
Patches - Tavares - Marner
Lorentz - Holmberg - McMan

 

[Kiwi]

They are giving up a guy who still has decent potential himself in Liljegren. Wouldn't surprise me if Timmy still carves out something like Stralman did for himself

Maybe but right now he's not in our lineup and his value is taking a beating

 

[rumman]

That's how you make bad trades.

For me, Timmy is ahead of Timmins basically every thing aside from outlet passing. But when it comes to defending, whether it be lines or in-zone, Timmy is better and thus, should be in the line-up IMO.

Timmins' bread and butter is outlet passing so he's a better fit for their guy Benoit.

But I mean it's nothing new, Toronto and the fans eat Defenceman alive, and too often the baby as gone out with the bath water or there has just been a plain lack of appreciation i.e. Gardiner.

Happens with every team, look at Benoit, Ducks let him go and he’s thriving here. I want the Leafs to win a cup, not win any particular trade, it’s idiotic thinking imo. Calgary traded Brett Hall knowing full well he’d be a superstar, yet made the trade because they knew it would give them the chance to win a cup, was it the wrong move? Probably if you want to win trades and not a cup……..

 

[aingefan]

For me, it’s a tough call between moving off one of Kampf or Jarnkrok. Both are equally versatile and valuable but in different ways.
Moving off one would smoothe out the cap and roster logjam some and probably reclaim some picks.
Choose between a utility forward who can move up and down the lineup in case of injury, or a C who can play tough minutes if needed.
About the D, I hope this is showcasing.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Really surprised to see Timmins pass Lilly on the depth chart. If salary was the same would this still happen? Hard to believe it

 

[Roo]

Holmberg is making Kampf and Jarnkrok expendable. Too much money in those guys for what they bring, relative to others we have. Same goes for the D. We have enough depth that we can move someone there.

I'd love to see us replenish the cupboard of picks, but not sure that trades are common this time of year. Maybe a little bit later when players are getting injured.