GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Torontonian]

this is still a coaching issue...if the coach is preaching you need to get in the goalies face, and crash the crease, but the goalie has some of the best legwork in the league, you can never beat him in that tight.
players need to be in front of the net, but OUTSIDE the crease where they may have an actual chance of getting to a rebound, or a deflection not just hitting the goalie because you are much too close to him.
and seriously, any time a player does the skate past and around the net, i'd fine them $1000/per instance ...stop start drills are to make you able to stop in front of or next to the net, not do a fly by, and then not be in position to get the puck or a rebound, because you have already skated past the net.

Marner isnt the issue, as much as how he was used. he's our 2nd best overall player, and you'll lose any trade you make.

the forward group wasnt the issue either, its how they were lined up, and the bad system they were using, but, the defense was pathetic, and that is where all the $$ should go to bring in at least 2 top 4 RHD-men, that can break the cycle (which they sucked at) clear the zone (which they sucked at), and contribute to the offense (which they sucked at)

It's a everything issue, coaching issue / management issue to a team issue. Team lacks and sort of meaningful/quality secondary scoring, Bert and Domi weren't it (We brought in Bert to get greasy goals and he got none in the playoffs). You go from your elite talent to lesser players that are majority 4th line players on your 3rd and 4th line and that's why you have scoring issues. Our middle 6/top 9 apart from the Core 4 has been medicore at best for years.

Then top it off with only having 1 d-man that is known for actually putting up points and goals and the rest just defensive d-man and what you get is 2-1 scores. Not saying you need 6 Jake Gardiner's or Klingbergs where it's just all offence, but Toronto desperately needs to find GOOD two way d-man.

To many times the puck dies in the o-zone on our dman stick because they can't make a proper play, just rim it around the boards and thats it.

 

[1specter]

Seravelli mentioned Chicago for Marner and brought up Seth jones in his podcast today

This would be awful unless there is a massive sweetener coming back with Jones.

 

[OVO16]

This would be awful unless there is a massive sweetener coming back with Jones.

Yeah dont think he was saying 1 for 1 . Just like throwing out potential pieces.

I could be wrong though

 

[Torontonian]

The problem is even if the guys we get are very good at the start of these contracts chances are they won't be pleasant towards the end

I mean look at JT, he's been pretty good value for us but eventually it bites you in the ass

Yes, but that's a problem the team should deal in 5-6 years down the line, Treliving should be focusing on making this team the best they can for the next 4-5 years with 34 under contract in his prime.

It 34 resigns at age 31, the window will be open again for what, 3 years?

 

[Brobust]

Why do you say that? Are you referring to Joshua signing?

Him and Marner's lack of points this season.

 

[thewave]

What a bunch of horse crap
Now marner is responsible for matthews shitting the bed every year too.
Please give it up with the nonsense you spew.
You should have kept your word and not posted ever again on these boards when you lost that bet. Not a good look for someone when that have no integrity.

I didn't say that. I said he does not provide him with time or space. How can he? The wimp gets the puck and dishes it out asap when threat of check approaches.

Marner sucks balls bud. His playoff was laughable and I would be asking to play with Bert and Domi instead. At least those boys can buy me a half a freaking second to get a shot off.

Trash playoff performer. 11m to give you a 5m players performance.

 

[Americanadian]

Him and Marner's lack of points this season.

I was vouching for Joshua on this board in the summer of 2022 when he signed with Vancouver. His underlying numbers were off the charts in his last season in STL. His underlying numbers remain very strong and he's a safe bet to live up to his contract projections (3.25Mx4).

RE: Marner. He will never live up to his contract.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

This would be awful unless there is a massive sweetener coming back with Jones.

Frank Nazar or Oliver Moore. Trending as future 2Cs. Id be in if one was included.

 

[TMLAM34]

Joshua - Tavares - McMann
Holmberg - McBain - Cowan

Would love to see that bottom six.

 

[Americanadian]

Joshua - Tavares - McMann
Holmberg - McBain - Cowan

Would love to see that bottom six.

Assuming under this scenario you have all of Knies, Matthews, Bertuzzi, Nylander, Domi in your top 6 you would have 1 RS forward on the roster.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Why do you think fhat?

Comparable productivity in years 1-3 but much cheaper cap hit and not having the benefit of riding shotgun to the best goalscorer in the league. IMO Yzerman covets flexibility and a mid-market non-playoff team like Detroit doesn't often trade away 1sts and young RFAs if not in win-now mode, of which they are not yet. Too many holes in their lineup and replacing Raymond on 1RW with Marner at the expense of their 1st ain't moving the needle enough to make a real difference without addressing other pieces first. IMO they keep the pick and hope in 2-3 years to be truly competitive once their strong farm system starts to produce... guys like Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, Kasper, Wallinder, etc. That's when they are then more likely to parlay 1-2 of those pieces into a Mitch Marner IMO.

 

[TMLAM34]

Assuming under this scenario you have all of Knies, Matthews, Bertuzzi, Nylander, Domi in your top 6 you would have 1 RS forward on the roster.

We had what a total of 3 RS forwards last year? Marner, Nylander and Jarnkrok? You mentioned 5 forwards there, maybe the 6th is a RS. Maybe Bertuzzi doesn’t return and he’s replaced by a RS? I don’t think that’s that big of a deal with forwards as much as it is with defence.

 

[Kiwi]

Yes, but that's a problem the team should deal in 5-6 years down the line, Treliving should be focusing on making this team the best they can for the next 4-5 years with 34 under contract in his prime.

It 34 resigns at age 31, the window will be open again for what, 3 years?

Another 4 years maybe? I bet he's after an 8 year deal to

Interesting to see how we deal with that

 

[TMLAM34]

Comparable productivity in years 1-3 but much cheaper cap hit and not having the benefit of riding shotgun to the best goalscorer in the league. IMO Yzerman covets flexibility and a mid-market non-playoff team like Detroit doesn't often trade away 1sts and young RFAs if not in win-now mode, of which they are not yet. Too many holes in their lineup and replacing Raymond on 1RW with Marner at the expense of their 1st ain't moving the needle enough to make a real difference without addressing other pieces first. IMO they keep the pick and hope in 2-3 years to be truly competitive once their strong farm system starts to produce... guys like Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, Kasper, Wallinder, etc. That's when they are then more likely to parlay 1-2 of those pieces into a Mitch Marner IMO.

The 1st was probably overkill I agree. A package of Raymond and Edvinsson for Marner I would listen on though.

 

[trellaine201]

I watched alot of Dakota this year and I am up for signing him BUT not breaking the bank.

 

[Americanadian]

We had what a total of 3 RS forwards last year? Marner, Nylander and Jarnkrok? You mentioned 5 forwards there, maybe the 6th is a RS. Maybe Bertuzzi doesn’t return and he’s replaced by a RS? I don’t think that’s that big of a deal with forwards as much as it is with defence.

I’m of the belief that having a RS to take face offs can be useful. I also believe it’s useful on the PP depending on the set up of the rest of the PP. At 5 on 5 it’s not as important but it can impact players on the cycle if they’re on their off side.

 

[TimeZone]

this is still a coaching issue...if the coach is preaching you need to get in the goalies face, and crash the crease, but the goalie has some of the best legwork in the league, you can never beat him in that tight.
players need to be in front of the net, but OUTSIDE the crease where they may have an actual chance of getting to a rebound, or a deflection not just hitting the goalie because you are much too close to him.
and seriously, any time a player does the skate past and around the net, i'd fine them $1000/per instance ...stop start drills are to make you able to stop in front of or next to the net, not do a fly by, and then not be in position to get the puck or a rebound, because you have already skated past the net.

Marner isnt the issue, as much as how he was used. he's our 2nd best overall player, and you'll lose any trade you make.

the forward group wasnt the issue either, its how they were lined up, and the bad system they were using, but, the defense was pathetic, and that is where all the $$ should go to bring in at least 2 top 4 RHD-men, that can break the cycle (which they sucked at) clear the zone (which they sucked at), and contribute to the offense (which they sucked at)

When you're producing more than 2 goals in 14 goals a single time in your last 3 playoff series', it's painfully obvious there's more than one issue at play here.

Marner, his 11 million dollar salary and his complete and utter failure at producing when it matters most is not just an issue, he was quite arguably our main issue on the ice against Boston and Florida.

I don't disagree we need defenseman with offensive skill and breakout ability, but that's just one of many issues the team has, the main being their massively overpriced superstars falling on their faces time and time again while excuses continue to be made.

 

[weems]

It would be awesome if we could find a #2C with good speed.
We most likely haven't even seen Nylanders best yet 5V5 considering he's never played with a C that can come anywhere close to his overall pace.

 

[thewave]

As per Shanahan, player(s) have been identified whom he said this about.

“However, when you see patterns persist, and the results don’t change, you have to adjust the way you think about things.”

This isn’t about keeping the player who we think is best, it’s about moving the player(s) who are repeating the patterns, that result in our repeated exits from the playoffs.

We aren’t really privy to that, but many believe that is Marner… if Marner is moved, it’s because he is indeed the problem they’ve identified.

What he should have said was. After punching myself in the balls for 7-8 years, i have learned that the pain does not become less over time. It gets worse. So now that being said, I Brendan "slowboy" Shanahan have told the board that I am taking action.

Talk about taking forever to identify a problem. This guys right out of the pop an umbrella in the midst of a hurricane club.

 

[TMLAM34]

It would be awesome if we could find a #2C with good speed.
We most likely haven't even seen Nylanders best yet 5V5 considering he's never played with a C that can come anywhere close to his overall pace.

Stephenson comes to mind through free agency.

 

[mydnyte]

When you're producing more than 2 goals in 14 goals a single time in your last 3 playoff series', it's painfully obvious there's more than one issue at play here.

Marner, his 11 million dollar salary and his complete and utter failure at producing when it matters most is not just an issue, he was quite arguably our main issue on the ice against Boston and Florida.

I don't disagree we need defenseman with offensive skill and breakout ability, but that's just one of many issues the team has, the main being their massively overpriced superstars falling on their faces time and time again while excuses continue to be made.

its pretty simple really, when the defense are not a threat, you can focus on the players that are, and if Marner/Domi seldom shoot, its much easier to double team the shooters and overwhelm them ...\our defense has been the same suckage since Muzzen went down, because Brodie was overused and is a black hold for offense ...any time Lily was paired with Rielly, he always deferred all offence to Rielly. McCabe isnt an offense D, Benoit even less than Brodie

 

[Kiwi]

It would be awesome if we could find a #2C with good speed.
We most likely haven't even seen Nylanders best yet 5V5 considering he's never played with a C that can come anywhere close to his overall pace.

Duchene? I'm not sure if he's leaving Dallas though

 

[Dreakmur]

I've got to ask

The team has about 20M in cap Space available, hell you could have 25M if you boot the likes of Jarnkrok and Kampf

Do we actually need another 11M off the books and if we do what can we spend it on? Because UFA looks like a ******* minefield full of over spends and guys on the backhalfs of there careers

I don't trust this lot with 25M let alone 35M, in fact I wouldn't trust many GM'S with that type of money burning a hole in there pocket

I'm starting to feel a little sick just thinking about it

Yes. We need to break up the core.

 

[LeafChief]

This thread has gone full bananaland.

 

[TMLAM34]

This thread has gone full bananaland.

We’ve all lost our minds.