Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition
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Reilly Brodie
Noah. McCabe
Gio. Lilly/Timmins
Would look good I think.
I personally want Ferraro.
Pelech would be good
Demelo if jets drop off
Noah. McCabe
Gio. Lilly/Timmins
Would look good I think.
I personally want Ferraro.
Pelech would be good
Demelo if jets drop off
Cap constraints make things so difficult. Pretty much equal dollars in/out. It's quite obvious that an upgrade on the back-end would be appreciated. It's also, to my way of thinking, that it is going to be difficult to get Willy's signature on a contract. And personally, I'm more in favor of getting him signed than worrying about Marner...which, to be clear, is not me slagging Marner who I think is a wonderful player. As I don't see many non Leaf games, I'm trying to figure out a team that would be interested in Marner and might have something 'worthy' of interest. Leading me to Chicago and Seth Jones. Over the last five years he's 4th in the league in TOI, 27th in scoring for defensemen, contributes on the PP and has over 2"/G on the PK, 63rd in hits, 15th in blocked shots...I just don't know if he's good because, well it's Chicago. Chicago might just be interested in giving Bedard the elite set-up guy Marner is, and they have the cap space to accommodate his contract. Marner might be willing to wave his NMC for the chance to work with Bedard, and leave an environment that seems to at times trouble him. Jones becomes Willy's next contract at a price we assumed pre-season. Willy becomes Marner's contract @11?
Does any of this seem reasonable?
Does any of this seem reasonable?
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Fogelhund
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LHD LHD
LHD LHD
LHD RHD.
I mean, that's just not going work, I get that Brodie is LHD, who plays RD, but that's just far too much LHD in the lineup. Plus Hanifin wanted 8 x $7.5 from Calgary.... which would be problematic at best for us. I mean, we add a very good D, who honestly isn't that great at boardwork, and isn't very physical. For a core that already isn't very physical, I don't think this is the right move.
Why?
That had never been a thing until Babcock said it was.
The leafs ran
McCabe/kaberle/leetch/Wesley.
Cup teams have had 6 left D
It’s way over rated IF you have people who play the opposite side comfortably.
Brodie prefers it.
McCabe seems to be ok
As far as physicality.
What we needed was a d who could move the puck out of our own end not a a face smasher. That’s how we got klingberg.
Fogelhund
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Do you know why it became a thing? It became a thing, because people studied how well it works, having two LD, vs two RD vs LD RD. It’s a thing, because they found measurable advantages with LD RD. People won cups with wooden sticks too… but sport science moved on. There is a decided advantage to handedness and position, and almost everyone in the sport recognizes that now, and maximizes their team this way.
weems
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It's such basic stuff really.
Receiving and making passes on your strong side is much easier and it's easier to pivot towards the boards against oncoming speed when playing your strong side.
This isn't to say some players can't overcome that or they're some sort of outlier that actually prefers their offside for whatever reason but the vast majority of defencemen will tell you playing on their strong side is way better.
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I think seeing how Timmins does coming from back his injury will determine a lot of the defensive need. I think it's clear the Leafs need a Klingberg replacement/upgrade quite a bit but maybe it doesn't have to be an urgent need if Timmins comes in and plays really well like he did in pre-season.
Liljegren will be back at some point as well.
So when healthy and if things line up as expected:
Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins
Benoit - Lagesson
I think Giordano, Benoit and Lagesson have done very very very well in a bottom pairing role that spending a lot of assets just to get a marginal upgrade seems like a not very smart thing to do. The need for a good RHD upgrade will likely still be there if healthy.
Liljegren will be back at some point as well.
So when healthy and if things line up as expected:
Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins
Benoit - Lagesson
I think Giordano, Benoit and Lagesson have done very very very well in a bottom pairing role that spending a lot of assets just to get a marginal upgrade seems like a not very smart thing to do. The need for a good RHD upgrade will likely still be there if healthy.
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JVR with a very quiet 12 points in 15 games for the Bruins. An absolute bargain at 1 million AAV. A lot of people in the summer were saying he's unplayable.
100% agree with this.
Lagesson has been an unexpectedly pleasant surprise and Benoit had been solid as well.
Lagesson plays with more sandpaper than I expected and Benoit brings physical play that is missing while playing stay at home.
Along with Giordano, they have covered off 3LHD well. Add to it that by adding a top 4 RHD, it allows us to drop Brodie to LHD as well.
Having said that, I still think our best play is to add a true RHD to play with Rielly and trade Brodie for assets and free up $5m in cap space.
Unless we know what Brodie is asking as a UFA next season and we are good with it in our cap structure, at this point I consider Brodie as someone who is not in our long term plans and we need to take that into account when shoring up our already weak RHD situation.
I would definitely hope they’ve had a preliminary discussion with Brodie’s agent to get a sense of what he might be looking for on a new deal
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I'm with you on that one. At 33, the Leafs are looking to get a 2 year deal and the agent will be looking for a 3 year+. My hope is that you would get him at 2 year, 2.8-3.2mill per year. If you need to kick the can down the road a bit, get him locked in at 3 year, 2.5mill and worry about it in the 3rd year.
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I've come off my 9-9.5M range to 10M x 8 years, if this can't get it done and I am Treliving, I am prepared to move on.
You can likely get one of Reinhart or Lindholm for 7 years between 8.5-9.5M
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PK Subban did a good segment during last years playoffs about why having a left shot on the right side is not ideal and how it can get you in trouble on breakouts and in certain situations. Brodie and McCabe on the right side can work against bad teams but once you get in the playoffs and play the best forechecking teams in the league they might get exposed a bit.
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Brodies played on the right almost his whole career I'm pretty sure he's outright said in an interview he dislikes playing on the left too
A lot of these moves are not about this year, but next year.
I would be hesitant to give Brodie a long-term deal at a significant cap hit, give his age.
Fabbro is interesting if you can get him cheap this year. I think he may have the makeup to play with Reilly.
If they get him this year and he works out. It makes shuffling the D next summer simpler.
Right now, there are too many ? on D and what the backline will look like after this year.
I would be hesitant to give Brodie a long-term deal at a significant cap hit, give his age.
Fabbro is interesting if you can get him cheap this year. I think he may have the makeup to play with Reilly.
If they get him this year and he works out. It makes shuffling the D next summer simpler.
Right now, there are too many ? on D and what the backline will look like after this year.
Fabbro is someone I’d also look into given it won’t cost an arm and a leg to acquire him.
If we’re looking to go big, Pulock would be my target given the Islanders aren’t doing so well.
I'd be willing to bring Brodie back for a couple of years around the 2.5-3M mark
He's low maintenance, defensively responsible, can PK and I think he'd be a good partner for someone inexperienced
He can also push up the lineup if we get injuries
I think that has value on our 2nd or 3rd pair
He's low maintenance, defensively responsible, can PK and I think he'd be a good partner for someone inexperienced
He can also push up the lineup if we get injuries
I think that has value on our 2nd or 3rd pair
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How about we think of it like this as a shape of a budget over the next 3 years, give or take, assuming a worst case Nylander raise...
2023-24
Matthews $11.64 million
Tavares $11 million
Marner $10.9 million
Nylander $ 6.96 million
=$40.5 million
2024-25
Matthews $13.25 million
Nylander $11.5 million
Tavares $11 million
Marner $10.9 million
=$46.65 million
2025-26
Matthews $13.25 million
Nylander $11.5 million
Marner $11.5 million
Tavares $6 million (Optional re-sign)
=$42.25 million
Basically, if Nylander can swap salaries with Tavares over their next deals, and if you assume the Leafs can hold the line on giving Marner a massive raise, the Big 4 doesn't really command that much more money than they do now. So those would be some of the conditions to getting it locked up.
SprDaVE
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I swear only the Leafs get this dumb article from LeBrun every year. Like no shit they want him to leave the Leafs.
There's no doubt that if Nylander wants top dollar, he'll get it. If he wants to be a Maple Leafs, he'll make it work and still be very rich.
Treliving deserves a ton of heat if this doesn't get done though.
nuck
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Tanev of the two. Z is hugely overrated because of his monster A game but he is so inconsistent and will cost too much to resign for what he will likely bring. The old guy is the better rental.
I don't think Peeke is worth anything right now. Its not clear how much of his badness is him and how much is the CBJ team around him but he seems like a summer reclamation project rather than an in-season add. If CBJ will do Klinger for Peek straight across the Leafs could park him with the Marlies to see if he revives but even then he is a $2,75M salary so it isn't free. Is that where they spend their last nickel of cap space?
If they are going to add it should be someone they know will move the needle. Like Eckholm caliber but I can't see them being able to make room for a $6M D if one becomes available unless maybe Willie is moved. And I don't see the team doing anything that big unless they hit a major slump and then its Keefe out the door before Nylander and the new coach needs time yada yada yada and no new D.
Okay Tanev
Who?
Edit NM I found him.
nuck
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Isn't paying Nylander $11.M for one big season a bit like giving MVP money to Huberdeau or Gaudreau after their monster years? Kadri was on a pace for almost 100pts. JT Miller? He was 99pts and is tearing it up again but is he $11M? Is Van on the fast track to a Cup? If another exec is saying that kind of stuff I think he is just dreaming the Leafs would do something that stupid and be bringing Morgan and the castoff D into the playoffs every season for his club to wail on.
One big year is great for trade value but for a club that has mortgaged so much on a top heavy lineup it doesn't make sense to do that again. It is possible that he has risen to a new level but it is a lot more likely it is a Gaudreau spike (except Johnny had a 99pt year on his resume) and they end up with another star who can't quite live up to his paycheck.
I love to watch Willie cook and i wish it were a choice between him and Mitch but I think its more like do they stay with the Dubas road map for success or not? The team has no value deals. Nobody has left any money on the table. That needs to change.
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