Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Jozay]

Kane is the last thing this team needs

 

[LeafSteel]

Kane is the last thing this team needs

So sick of seeing this guys name anywhere close to the Leafs.

He can’t sign somewhere soon enough, and even then we are going to keep hearing his name until he announces his retirement.

 

[Gabriel426]

Kane will be interesting as I do think Toews will follow him. Having Toews as 4C will be interesting

 

[Menzinger]

 

[ACC1224]

Kane is the last thing this team needs

Thought that was Reaves.

 

[-DeMo-]

You do realize that players do see that as the team giving up on this year. Platers see deadline acquisitions as the organization having faith in them and no deadline acquisitions as a lack of faith. Even more so, doing so to make a theoretical future team better would be seen as an even bigger lack of faith. Lots of things can happen between seasons. Any given season could theoretically be the last season that a team is competitive for quite a while.

In fact, if a good team is not going to make significant adds at the deadline, I can't help but wonder if they shouldn't just give up on the season and put all their upcoming UFAs on the market. I mean, think of it, what if the Leafs not only did not spend at the deadline, but added assets for Klingberg, Domi, Bertuzzi, Brodie, Samsonov, and maybe Nylander?

I'm not saying that I want Leafs to do that but I am sure that some here would.

that's ridiculous to say that if a team doesn't add at the deadline that the players see that as a lack of faith but lets be honest why should our management have faith in these guys? maybe that's the kick in the ass that they need.

and in a previous post I suggested that I would look to move some of the up coming UFA's if there was a solid asset coming back. like I wouldn't move Klingberg for a 6th round pick as an example but if someone was willing to move a 2nd round or more for Brodie or Domi or Samsonov(assuming Woll is playing well) I would certainly look to make that move to allow be to accrue assets moving forward to remake our defense or fill that third line center.

 

[Kiwi]

I was a huge fan of Kadri but who's going to take on that contract? That's a long time to retain on it

 

[darrylsittler27]

They are all tradeable assets if we miss the playoffs(plausible) or something better shows up at TD.

i think we dodged a bullet with Bert, Domi, and Klinberg. If BT had more cap he almost certainly would have signed them for longer.

Do we take Kadri back?

Are you insane? Who do they take ? Tavares? We can't even afford a defense.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Kane is the last thing this team needs

He did have 92 points just two years ago and almost 60 on one leg last year. If the price is right and you're confident he can skate better you absolutely take a flyer on him. Could be great for Robertson to have a playmaker like that on his wing for a year, should open up a tonne of space for him on the ice. You likely need to dump Kampf and Reaves to make it happen though

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Domi-Kane
Gregor-Holmberg-Jarnkrok
Mcmann/Steeves

Looks great to me. Just need to work on the defense now.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

I'll take Kadri back, at 50% retention and the only thing going back is Klingberg, lol.

I don't know if I like Kane coming here, because it definitely means Jarnkrok gets moved and he is really good in his role and his contract gets better and better as the cap goes up.

 

[Avilaj07]

 

[rumman]

Welcome to Robidas Island John……….

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He did have 92 points just two years ago and almost 60 on one leg last year. If the price is right and you're confident he can skate better you absolutely take a flyer on him. Could be great for Robertson to have a playmaker like that on his wing for a year, should open up a tonne of space for him on the ice. You likely need to dump Kampf and Reaves to make it happen though

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander
Robertson-Domi-Kane
Gregor-Holmberg-Jarnkrok
Mcmann/Steeves

Looks great to me. Just need to work on the defense now.

But you're not signing Kane of 2 years ago, you'd be signing a 35 year old who's trying to make a comeback from a major surgery that players don't come back from. Look at Klingberg as a cautionary tale for why you shouldn't bet on player to overcome their injury problems and regain their prime form, and how detrimental it can be to bring in another player that can't defend

 

[Fogelhund]

Kane at $1mil or below, sure. Above forget it.

Leafs wouldn’t take Kadri back if he was 50% retained and free. At least as long as Shanahan is in charge. They had too many issues with him.

Our focus should be on D, though as I’ve said before, I’d look at signing Comtois to a NHL League min as well.

 

[TMLAM34]

If the Islanders continue to play poorly, I wonder what it would take to acquire Pulock.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Kadri’s contract is awful. Hard pass.

 

[SprDaVE]

Yeah I like Patty Kane but it seems very weird and a terrible fit for our needs. Treliving has a reputation of being involved in everything, which is good, but with a little more common sense I think it's easy to see how Kane to the Leafs doesn't work or make sense. He wouldn't even be on the #1PP. He would have to take around or below 1M and he'd have to play some lower end minutes. His hip surgery is one of the hardest to get over and rehab from, many players retire from it.

Kane at $1mil or below, sure. Above forget it.

Leafs wouldn’t take Kadri back if he was 50% retained and free. At least as long as Shanahan is in charge. They had too many issues with him.

Our focus should be on D, though as I’ve said before, I’d look at signing Comtois to a NHL League min as well.

Kadri’s contract is awful. Hard pass.

I disagree. I think they'd take him at 50% and basically given away, similar to Johansen to the Avalanche. Anything else than 50% retention though I don't think you're doing it. I don't think Shanahan minds at all and I think they regret quite a bit having to trade him due to a few reasons.

He's the kind of player that will definitely play with purpose and at 3.5M with a rising cap, I think he'll outperform that quite a bit on a better team. I'd be ecstatic with Kadri at 50% back in Toronto personally. Cup experience, plays with jam and intensity this team needs more of. The problem is that there's no way the Flames retain 50% for 6 years just to give him away.

 

[meefer]

Sorry. don't know how this got included. oops.

But you're not signing Kane of 2 years ago, you'd be signing a 35 year old who's trying to make a comeback from a major surgery that players don't come back from. Look at Klingberg as a cautionary tale for why you shouldn't bet on player to overcome their injury problems and regain their prime form, and how detrimental it can be to bring in another player that can't defend

Simply a question, as I know nothing, but I believe Kane has been rehabbing in the TO area. If true does it open up the chance of the Leafs pre-scouting him to see if he has overcome?

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah I like Patty Kane but it seems very weird and a terrible fit for our needs. Treliving has a reputation of being involved in everything, which is good, but with a little more common sense I think it's easy to see how Kane to the Leafs doesn't work or make sense. He wouldn't even be on the #1PP. He would have to take around or below 1M and he'd have to play some lower end minutes. His hip surgery is one of the hardest to get over and rehab from, many players retire from it.




I disagree. I think they'd take him at 50% and basically given away, similar to Johansen to the Avalanche. Anything else than 50% retention though I think you're not doing it. I don't think Shanahan minds at all and I think they regret quite a bit having to trade him due to a few reasons.

He's the kind of player that will definitely play with purpose and at 3.5M with a rising cap, I think he'll outperform that quite a bit on a better team. I'd be ecstatic with Kadri at 50% back in Toronto personally. Cup experience, plays with jam and intensity this team needs more of. The problem is that there's no way the Flames retain 50% for 6 years just to give him away.

You can disagree, and I would consider taking him back, I just don't see Shanahan and co. taking him back, after all of the problems. Keep in mind he had run ins with every coach here, was late for meetings, practise, internally suspended, called out publicly for being immature, had his parents in the office... and they just couldn't take any more and he was out the door. To this day, he doesn't take any responsibility for what happened here, so I don't see why they would take him back.

Simply a question, as I know nothing, but I believe Kane has been rehabbing in the TO area. If true does it open up the chance of the Leafs pre-scouting him to see if he has overcome?

I think it would be a pretty normal course of action for him to be scouted, by anyone and everyone... skate, fitness, see the team doctors....

 

[meefer]

He'd be a valuable asset should the Ny leave as UFA. And he'd be free!

Nylander would be gone if they made the trade. Couldn't fit his new deal under the cap with Kadri on board.

 

[SprDaVE]

You can disagree, and I would consider taking him back, I just don't see Shanahan and co. taking him back, after all of the problems. Keep in mind he had run ins with every coach here, was late for meetings, practise, internally suspended, called out publicly for being immature, had his parents in the office... and they just couldn't take any more and he was out the door. To this day, he doesn't take any responsibility for what happened here, so I don't see why they would take him back.

I think time heals and Kadri's play off and on the ice has been damn good for a very long time. He's got a cup ring now, Shahanan doesn't (as an exec). He's grown a lot as a player off and on the ice. Kadri stayed here for years even after being suspended. It's not like they shipped him out right away. I think that if the Leafs have a chance to get him back at a discount, they'll do it and they should do it.

Nothing suggests that there was such animosity between Kadri and Shanahan other than stuff that was dealt with at the time. I googled quite a bit and see nothing of note there.

 

[ACC1224]

Simply a question, as I know nothing, but I believe Kane has been rehabbing in the TO area. If true does it open up the chance of the Leafs pre-scouting him to see if he has overcome?

Any team interested would go and have a look.

 

[hullsy47]

Nylander would be gone if they made the trade. Couldn't fit his new deal under the cap with Kadri on board.

well if willy goes kadri wouldnt be a terrible replacement

 

[Buds17]

Yeah I like Patty Kane but it seems very weird and a terrible fit for our needs. Treliving has a reputation of being involved in everything, which is good, but with a little more common sense I think it's easy to see how Kane to the Leafs doesn't work or make sense. He wouldn't even be on the #1PP. He would have to take around or below 1M and he'd have to play some lower end minutes. His hip surgery is one of the hardest to get over and rehab from, many players retire from it.




I disagree. I think they'd take him at 50% and basically given away, similar to Johansen to the Avalanche. Anything else than 50% retention though I don't think you're doing it. I don't think Shanahan minds at all and I think they regret quite a bit having to trade him due to a few reasons.

He's the kind of player that will definitely play with purpose and at 3.5M with a rising cap, I think he'll outperform that quite a bit on a better team. I'd be ecstatic with Kadri at 50% back in Toronto personally. Cup experience, plays with jam and intensity this team needs more of. The problem is that there's no way the Flames retain 50% for 6 years just to give him away.

Retention on Johansen's deal works out to 4M x 2 though. In comparison, Kadri's would hypothetically amount to 3.5M x 5. Calgary might not be giving Kadri away quite as easily with that kind of commitment left behind on its cap.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Kadri had 87 points in 71 games just 2 years ago. Last year wasn't so bad either. He also loves Toronto...you can tell this is where his heart is at. He is physical, filled with snot, and a passionate leader. He is a C who can playthe 2/3rd line spot and can even replace Tavares if we end up dropping Tavares and his salary. At the right price (and retention), f***ing right I'd consider him.