Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[stats1]

Like I said - if he said it, it must be true!

Media pundits and 'scouts' have never gotten it wrong. In fact, whenever they post their top prospect rankings, they are always very correct!

Prime example is The Hockey News having Cowan as the 89th best prospect in the draft. Wayyy off on that. These scouts are voicing their opinion that’s it. No one knows what we have in our guys right now. It’s just subjective projections.

 

[TMLAM34]

Another star signs a reasonable deal

Does that mean Nylander’s new contract is reasonable as well?

Lots of people were complaining about it and then turn towards a deal like this and say it’s reasonable (not saying you’re one of those people btw, just in general).

 

[SprDaVE]

I think at this point, I look at acquiring Crouse. It’ll take an overpayment but I think a player like him would put us right there with teams like Florida and Boston when it comes to grittiness.

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Domi - Nylander
Knies - Tavares - McMann
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Reaves

Rielly - Lyubushkin
Brodie - Liljegren
Benoit - McCabe

Woll - Samsonov

Not sure what it would take to acquire Crouse but it probably starts with our 1st, Robertson and Niemela.

We'd be 1.7M over the cap here...

 

[TMLAM34]

We'd be 1.7M over the cap here...

Why do you gotta ruin my dream?

 

[DarkKnight]

Like I said - if he said it, it must be true!

Media pundits and 'scouts' have never gotten it wrong. In fact, whenever they post their top prospect rankings, they are always very correct!

You're lost, I'm talking about perceived trade value. Yikes.

I keep trying to tell people that. We may have 5 NHLers and with our cap we need young and cheap guys.I don't think we have the pieces. We are weak at C with an aging Tavares so Minten won't go. Niemela is worth a 3rd and isn't that sexy. We basically have a first and Robertson to trade. Tre will get another dman and be outbid for anything good.


He allows you to go physical but will cost too much. We need a top 4 dman more.

It's how the league views the prospects, not whether they'll be wrong one day and they turn into a stud. Marketplace value, everything else is fan boy noise, it doesn't matter.

 

[Magic Man]

11.5-11.75 should be where we see Marner fall this summer. It should not be a hard deal to make with the Nylander/Petterson contracts coming back to back.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

11.5-11.75 should be where we see Marner fall this summer. It should not be a hard deal to make with the Nylander/Petterson contracts coming back to back.

You think Marner’s dad will accept that.
You are dreaming.
I bet he wants 12.75 to 13. Just a shade under Matthews. And likely not full term either.

 

[darrylsittler27]

You're lost, I'm talking about perceived trade value. Yikes.


It's how the league views the prospects, not whether they'll be wrong one day and they turn into a stud. Marketplace value, everything else is fan boy noise, it doesn't matter.

You're lost, I'm talking about perceived trade value. Yikes.


It's how the league views the prospects, not whether they'll be wrong one day and they turn into a stud. Marketplace value, everything else is fan boy noise, it doesn't matter.

Agreed. We brutally over rate our prospects, our pool is not good. If we go deep then there are no good prospects outside the top 20 picks our first isn't that desirable either. We don't have the pieces for much.

 

[DarkKnight]

Agreed. We brutally over rate our prospects, our pool is not good. If we go deep then there are no good prospects outside the top 20 picks our first isn't that desirable either. We don't have the pieces for much.

My reference person was former NHL Director of Amateur Scouting, with the Florida Panthers, Jason Bukala.

 

[Dreakmur]

Does that mean Nylander’s new contract is reasonable as well?

Is Nylander a center? Is he on pace for his second 100+ point season? Is he good defensively? Does his contract end at age 33, or keep going?

 

[darrylsittler27]

My reference person was former NHL Director of Amateur Scouting, with the Florida Panthers, Jason Bukala.

I agree with him. Niemela is the kind of prospect every team has, number 6 defenseman. We can't trade Cowan or Minten. I don't think Tre can do much. We need a good RHD and another forward.

 

[LeafParade]

The Leafs prospect pool is odd because there are like 5 sure NHLers in the next 2 years but barely anything else.

Cowan, Minten, and Grebs are basically NHLers within 2 years, and look like guys that will be at least middle 6 forwards.

Niemela and Tverberg probably in 2025-2026. But right now these two look more like bottom of the lineup players.

I agree that Niemela is probably bottom pairing to start. He could end up being a middle pair d but that is a long way off, like years. He is similar in stature to the Preds Carrier. Tverberg is probably an energy 4th liner when he arrives, but based on work ethic and trajectory could be a 3rd liner in 3 years. So when scouts value these players this low its because when they arrive that is where they probably start. They are not necessarily negating that they have higher ceiling. It is just that their higher potential ceilings are a ways off.

 

[rumman]

Is Nylander a center? Is he on pace for his second 100+ point season? Is he good defensively? Does his contract end at age 33, or keep going?

But Styles has better hair and elite zone entries……….

 

[LeafParade]

And Nylander is basically McDavid when the Leafs play in Sweden.

 

[Legion34]

Is Nylander a center? Is he on pace for his second 100+ point season? Is he good defensively? Does his contract end at age 33, or keep going?

Again. Willy has outscored EP for the last 3 seasons

They are 2 years apart in age.
Ep has one RFA year and 7 ufa (I personally don’t buy that one for stars).

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Is Nylander a center? Is he on pace for his second 100+ point season? Is he good defensively? Does his contract end at age 33, or keep going?

Keep going, but this time inject an f-word here and there.

 

[Budz]

Big, physical, can drop the gloves. Plays well at both ends of the ice. Drives to the net and can get you those greasy goals. Skates well for his size and plays with energy. Not to mention he’s still only 26.

A move like this would remind me of when Florida acquired Bennett and how well that has turned out for them. Lots of people laughed at the price Florida paid at the time but looking back I think everyone would do that deal all over again.

I get that - I think a D man is more of a need and moves the team needle more than a winger.

 

[TheShape]

Niemela projects as a bottom pair, puck moving d man who can run a 2nd PP unit. Which is fine, I don’t think he holds that much value in a trade though as things stand.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Seeing that Pettersson deal... It's happening again isn't it?

Being a Leaf fan is incredibly frustrating.

 

[Amadeus]

Another star signs a reasonable deal

I consider Marner and Petterson very similar. This foreshadows a deal we should extend Marner on.

 

[Burnie97]

The Leafs prospect pool is odd because there are like 5 sure NHLers in the next 2 years but barely anything else.

Cowan, Minten, and Grebs are basically NHLers within 2 years, and look like guys that will be at least middle 6 forwards.

Niemela and Tverberg probably in 2025-2026. But right now these two look more like bottom of the lineup players.

I agree that Niemela is probably bottom pairing to start. He could end up being a middle pair d but that is a long way off, like years. He is similar in stature to the Preds Carrier. Tverberg is probably an energy 4th liner when he arrives, but based on work ethic and trajectory could be a 3rd liner in 3 years. So when scouts value these players this low its because when they arrive that is where they probably start. They are not necessarily negating that they have higher ceiling. It is just that their higher potential ceilings are a ways off.

Just have to get some luck and hit on some later round picks.

It's what happens when the team makes the playoffs over and over. It's a good thing it happens.

Down the road teams can always recoup picks.

I'm not saying trade them all away and I don't like all of what Dubas did but every year teams other than the Leafs do the same thing and go all in.

 

[Stephen]

Where’s Liljegren? Any chance he’s being withheld for a bigger D trade along with the 1st round pick?

 

[LeafSteel]

You think Marner’s dad will accept that.
You are dreaming.
I bet he wants 12.75 to 13. Just a shade under Matthews. And likely not full term either.

If he’s smart he sees the writing on the wall and his whole I love it here home town boy persona is validated.

If he stands like a stupid donkey in the middle of the road demanding Matthews money, then he can GTFO.

Honestly don’t understand why people feel the need to kiddie glove these guys.

If you say you want to be here, prove it or get lost.

Since when is a buttload of money, endorsements, adoration and celebrity while being on a team that is a contender every year just not enough?

Fcuk these guys if it isn’t.

 

[DarkKnight]

I agree with him. Niemela is the kind of prospect every team has, number 6 defenseman. We can't trade Cowan or Minten. I don't think Tre can do much. We need a good RHD and another forward.

We do have Hildeby too, but goalie prospects usually don't bring much in return.

 

[OVO16]

I think at this point, I look at acquiring Crouse. It’ll take an overpayment but I think a player like him would put us right there with teams like Florida and Boston when it comes to grittiness.

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Domi - Nylander
Knies - Tavares - McMann
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Reaves

Rielly - Lyubushkin
Brodie - Liljegren
Benoit - McCabe

Woll - Samsonov

Not sure what it would take to acquire Crouse but it probably starts with our 1st, Robertson and Niemela.

Boston is soft. Florida is the real pain in the Ass. Boston is just a good ass team but ask their fanbse and they're also looking for toughness.

Leafs are actually tougher than Boston as of today