Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Folignos Helmet]

Any interest in bringing Morgan Frost home. Old leaf rink announcer Andy frosts kid.
He would help form an offensive 3rd line as a 3C. He’s been scratched 5 games in a row by Philly.

Not sure he is the type you want down the middle come playoffs But he’s intriguing. This year and next at 2.1 million.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

 

[SprDaVE]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

I don't think going from Kampf to Gambrell would be much of a difference. Kampf has been that bad. PK and faceoffs might take a hit though.

It would allow the Leafs to call-up McMann to rotate in for Reaves, which is by far the biggest issue on that fourth line. He's slow, lost and useless right now. I appreciate the big hits once in a blue moon and the fights but it's really not consistent enough for the massive liability issues.

 

[The Management]

I've been a fan of David Kampf in the past, but he doesn't seem to have any chemistry with the bottom six wingers we have.

Feels like he has been rotated through so many partners over the past couple of seasons. Looked best alongside Pierre Engvall. Maybe the Islanders would have some interest? Doesn't really address their problem, though, which to no one's surprise, is scoring goals.

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't think going from Kampf to Gambrell would be much of a difference. Kampf has been that bad. PK and faceoffs might take a hit though.

It would allow the Leafs to call-up McMann to rotate in for Reaves, which is by far the biggest issue on that fourth line. He's slow, lost and useless right now. I appreciate the big hits once in a blue moon and the fights but it's really not consistent enough for the massive liability issues.

Kampf has only been 40% in faceoffs this year, in the past.... that used to be his strength. His PK success rate hasn't been that good this year either... short window of course, but.... ZAR and Acciari were perfect for Kampf... speedy guys, physical, and defensively responsible too. But covering for Reaves, and his lack of speed is both too difficult, and exposes Kampf too.

 

[Americanadian]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

I wonder what the + would have to be on top of Kampf to get Peeke. I also wonder if CBJ is on his 10-team NTC. I'm not a big fan of Peeke but I think that's a much more sound investment than Kampf.

 

[ULF_55]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

Has Holmberg played any home games?
Home teams gets last change.

 

[Jojalu]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

What is your take on Monahan for a 3rd line C?

 

[VanW27]

I've been a fan of David Kampf in the past, but he doesn't seem to have any chemistry with the bottom six wingers we have.

Feels like he has been rotated through so many partners over the past couple of seasons. Looked best alongside Pierre Engvall. Maybe the Islanders would have some interest? Doesn't really address their problem, though, which to no one's surprise, is scoring goals.

He's a defensive specialist playing with all offense guys, Domi, Gregor, Knies (rookie), or a face puncher.

He can't be effective with players like that. Engvall, Acciari, ZAR, Lafferty, were all good fits. It took Dubas a while to figure out you need depth guys who fit together and play a role. Treliving came in and reverted the bottom 6 back into the cobbled together junk heap Dubas tried, unsuccessfully, to run for his first few years as GM.

The bottom 6 is going to be a problem all year. Can't score, can't defend, can't PK. What the hell is it supposed to be?

 

[Fogelhund]

What is your take on Monahan for a 3rd line C?

Not ideal. But probably cheap. I don’t see any motivation for Montreal to sell at the moment though.

I’d love Adam Lowry, if we could do it for the same cap hit as Kampf out.

 

[Jmo89]

Kampf has only been 40% in faceoffs this year, in the past.... that used to be his strength. His PK success rate hasn't been that good this year either... short window of course, but.... ZAR and Acciari were perfect for Kampf... speedy guys, physical, and defensively responsible too. But covering for Reaves, and his lack of speed is both too difficult, and exposes Kampf too.

Out of all the signings this summer, Kampf is the one I disliked the (second) most. (Klingberg is the first.)

I didn't like Klingberg either, but I understand the reason for signing him as well as the potential he bounces back. On a one year deal I'm not too bothered by it, but I think the money could be spent much better elsewhere.

I think Reaves is overblown and if things go south he's almost entirely buriable.

Bertuzzi and Domi are one years and I think both can succeed by seasons end. If they do I'm fine with either or both coming back. If they don't, let them walk.

Kampf though? 2.4M for 4 years for a guy who should be a 4th liner. He's not good enough to be a regular 3C, and his play so far is proving that the things he was good at the past couple years were likely due to the sum of their parts and not him specifically.

I liked Kampf and was fine with bringing him back if he was a proper fit, but why put him in a position he won't succeed with an already limited skillset? He was somewhat successful with with a very different mix of libemates. And it's for 4 years.

I'd have much rather signed Schenn at 2.75 for 3 years than Kampf at 2.4 for 4 years. Especially because Schenn more closely aligns with the other players brought in. I'd say both carry the same risk of dropping off and being a cap dump toward the end of their contracts, so why not go with the guy who played really well with Rielly? (I'm not sure how Schenn has done this year's, but I think he would have done well with Rielly for another couple seasons.)

 

[Jozay]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

Reaves needs to be off the team. Dude cant play. Simple as that.

Wonder how long the front office will go before admitting it was a bad signing.

 

[SprDaVE]

Reaves needs to be off the team. Dude cant play. Simple as that.

Wonder how long the front office will go before admitting it was a bad signing.

They signed him for 3 years... I still can't believe that's real.

 

[ULF_55]

They signed him for 3 years... I still can't believe that's real.

I think he is realistically waiver exempt.

So he'd be $400k while with the Marlies?

Yeah, not ideal but not like Nick Ritchie bad.

 

[WTFMAN99]

They signed him for 3 years... I still can't believe that's real.

Next year it might be feasible to bury him with minimal pain.

2022-23: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000

2023-24: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000

2024-25: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000

2025-26: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000

Minimum NHL Salary & Buried Cap Hit | Puckpedia

The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows: 2012-13 – U.S. $525,0002013-14 – U.S. $550,0002014-15 – U.S. $550,0002015-16 – U.S. $575,0002016-17 – U.S. $575,0002017-18 – U.S. $650,0002018-19 – U.S. $650,000 2019-20 – U.S. $700,0002020-21 – U.S. $700,0002021-22 – U.S...

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So 200k on the books?

 

[Fogelhund]

Out of all the signings this summer, Kampf is the one I disliked the most.

I didn't like Klingberg either, but I understand the reason for signing him as well as the potential he bounces back. On a one year deal I'm not too bothered by it.

I think Reaves is overblown and if things go south he's almost entirely buriable.

Bertuzzi and Domi are one years and I think both can succeed by seasons end. If they do I'm fine with either or both coming back. If they don't, let them walk.

Kampf though? 2.4M for 4 years for a guy who should be a 4th liner. He's not good enough to be a regular 3C, and his play so far is proving that the things he was good at the past couple years were likely due to the sum of their parts and not him specifically.

I liked Kampf and was fine with bringing him back if he was a proper fit, but why put him in a position he won't succeed with an already limited skillset? He was somewhat successful with with a very different mix of libemates. And it's for 4 years.

I'd have much rather signed Schenn at 2.75 for 3 years than Kampf at 2.4 for 4 years. Especially because Schenn more closely aligns with the other players brought in. I'd say both carry the same risk of dropping off and being a cap dump toward the end of their contracts, so why not go with the guy who played really well with Rielly? (I'm not sure how Schenn has done this year's, but I think he would have done well with Rielly for another couple seasons.)

I've posted about this before. Last year, Kampf had the 6th most minutes of our forwards. He was used heavily in the Dzone, Pk and had very good results. Paying him $2.4 to be our sixth most important forward makes a lot of sense.

But then... that's not how he's used this year. Like you say, they've put him in a position where he won't succeed, and now it's a problem. Frankly, I'd rather fix it, by getting some cheap guys who compliment him more. Sit Reaves, try McMann with him, see if that improves things. We've got a bunch of internal options that we should try before making a transaction... He's also bottom line minutes now, so it's a waste of money. I'm not sure what Tre was thinking here...

Reaves isn't much money, but it's borderline ridiculous to sign a guy to that contract, when he really is useless at hockey, and hasn't brought the toughness when it's needed. He's a net negative out there, other than to entertain when he fights the other teams tough guy.

 

[TMLAM34]

Any interest in bringing Morgan Frost home. Old leaf rink announcer Andy frosts kid.
He would help form an offensive 3rd line as a 3C. He’s been scratched 5 games in a row by Philly.

Not sure he is the type you want down the middle come playoffs But he’s intriguing. This year and next at 2.1 million.

Not sure what it would take but id definitely be open to acquiring Frost. Fills a much needed need in that 3C hole.

 

[The Podium]

It’s crazy Treliving not only signed Reaves, but prioritized getting him before the signing window even opened and gave him 3 years…

I think it’s unfair to say the bottom 6 has been a problem, more like the bottom 4. Knies and Domi have been good and fine respectively. But the other 4 might as well be place holders.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I never understood why so many people loved Kampf.

We got a little defence crazy in these parts. You can't have a 2.4m player being as consistently useless as he is offensively.

It’s crazy Treliving not only signed Reaves, but prioritized getting him before the signing window even opened and gave him 3 years…

I think it’s unfair to say the bottom 6 has been a problem, more like the bottom 4. Knies and Domi have been good and fine respectively. But the other 4 might as well be place holders.

I think this is probably the case for a lot of teams. Bottom 4 Fs and the #6 D are usually replacement level on stacked teams.

I liked the Reaves signing but I kind of expected he'd be carried by Kampf + Jarnkrok or something like that.

 

[Magic Man]

Kampf had two very good seasons in a row. I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. To start the year they took a look at Minten. Treliving has said he wants to familiarize himself with Toronto's system. Kampf isn't a stud 3C, but he is capable of playing the position. They can afford to take away his minutes and give his time to a young player.

He is very talented defensively at ES and on the PK, with two wingers who can produce offensively, he can be the responsible 3rd wheel on line #3. On line #4 with reduced linemates and minutes, he is not going to produce much offense.

 

[dubplatepressure]

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It's still early days, but some of our players... or GM have some work to do. In particular, our bottom line is absolutely getting caved in.

this aligns with what I'm seeing too. They are simply bad. I am not convinced its just Reeves, though he certainly doesn't help.

 

[Jmo89]

I've posted about this before. Last year, Kampf had the 6th most minutes of our forwards. He was used heavily in the Dzone, Pk and had very good results. Paying him $2.4 to be our sixth most important forward makes a lot of sense.

But then... that's not how he's used this year. Like you say, they've put him in a position where he won't succeed, and now it's a problem. Frankly, I'd rather fix it, by getting some cheap guys who compliment him more. Sit Reaves, try McMann with him, see if that improves things. We've got a bunch of internal options that we should try before making a transaction... He's also bottom line minutes now, so it's a waste of money. I'm not sure what Tre was thinking here...

Reaves isn't much money, but it's borderline ridiculous to sign a guy to that contract, when he really is useless at hockey, and hasn't brought the toughness when it's needed. He's a net negative out there, other than to entertain when he fights the other teams tough guy.

Personally I'd like to see Reaves rotated out depending on competition, but with the cap structure I don't even know if they can carry extra forward or how that would work.

The bolded was my thinking as well. Kampf of last year I can understand the signing, but his role this year just seems lost, I agree.

Also to clarify (forgive me, still recovering from surgery and my brain is still a bit mushy,) when I said he was a 4th liner and not good enough for the 3rd line I'm more so talking about the current make up of the team. Kampf could be part of a 3rd line with like minded forwards, but I'm not sure I see it working with Knies/Domi/Jarnkrok.

If he can get back to doing the things you mentioned (faceoffs, PK, etc.) and find some chemistry with the other top 9 guys maybe he would work on the 3rd line? If he's going to stay and excel on the 4th line he needs a different combo than Reaves and Gregor imo.

 

[LaPlante94]

I never understood why so many people loved Kampf.

We got a little defence crazy in these parts. You can't have a 2.4m player being as consistently useless as he is offensively.


I think this is probably the case for a lot of teams. Bottom 4 Fs and the #6 D are usually replacement level on stacked teams.

I liked the Reaves signing but I kind of expected he'd be carried by Kampf + Jarnkrok or something like that.

He was actually pretty good with Lafferty after they got to play together for a bit. Moving Lafferty has made Kampf useless but maybe he develops that same chemistry with Gregor like he did Lafferty. Took some time for him and Lafferty so lets hope that's the case with Gregor and him.

Edit: I forgot he's not even playing 4C atm and not even playing with Gregor. At this point I think Treliving needs to move him for a good faceoff checking C who can PK and make that 4th line a checking line.

 

[jaric1862]

I think it's obvious where the leafs need to upgrade:

Jarnkrok-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander
Knies- XXX - Domi
Gregor-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly- XXX
Brodie-Klingberg
Mccabe-Liljergren
Gio

Woll-Samsonov

Obviously these additions clsoer to deadline but...
On defence, I like Dumba or Zadorov. Could fit either of them in Double retained

For 3C I have one target - Thomas Novak. Can fit him in too by simply sending down Holmberg, who doesnt require waivers.

 

[Kurtz]

Kampf and Reaves are just a bad fit together. You want Kampf in strictly defensive deployment and Reaves strictly offensive.