Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Zero1]

Flames have been winning but I really want Weegar.

 

[Avilaj07]

Flames have been winning but I really want Weegar.

To Toronto-
Weegar
Mangiapane 50% retained

To Calgary-
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Reaves
Timmons
Niemela
1st Round Pick

 

[Leaf Rocket]

inflation is both in real life and in the trade market.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Doubt the Flames would move Weegar since I don't think they're doing a full teardown but yeah, he really would check all the boxes. Same with Pulock but again, despite having a murky future I don't the Islanders would listen. Those would be unload the cupboard guys though.

 

[nuck]

To Toronto-
Weegar
Mangiapane 50% retained

To Calgary-
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Reaves
Timmons
Niemela
1st Round Pick

Weegar and 50% of Mang are $9.15M. You need another $5M in cap space.

 

[Menzinger]

Can someone explain how last year's version of Luke Schenn was sold to us for a 3rd (highest bid) but Tanev is worth a 1st? I get the higher skill but considering age and cap hit, it's ridiculous. Are their profiles not similar where the attractive value is: can play top 4D with a skill partner, warrior, physical, playoff material.

Why tf was Zadorov traded so early for a 2026 3rd? Stop bluffing and just make a reasonable trade

Just call their bluffs or target more overlooked names. Zero need to pay a dumb price at the moment.

 

[Zero1]

To Toronto-
Weegar
Mangiapane 50% retained

To Calgary-
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Reaves
Timmons
Niemela
1st Round Pick

That’s an easy yes for me!

 

[notdoneyet]

Benoit was low risk as a UFA signing (with a year of team control still to come). Aside from that, Peeke could be a fine idea as an acquisition if the price in trade is low enough.

We aren’t giving Benoit any love here.
Against Las Vegas he played the second most minutes. Finished +1 in a 6-2 loss and had 8 I repeat 8 hits.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Jason Bukala was on the Bunkis podcast to do a prospect hit in terms of update but also in relation to the deadline. I decided it to put it here due to the deadline aspect and so more ppl would see it lol.

Cowan

• Essentially every scouting service or scout out there had him ranked 40-100, good on the Leafs to identify him. People were unsure of his offensive upside at the time.
• Compared him to a modern day Darcy Tucker if you take into account today's game vs. when Tucker played (softer).
• If all pans out, he has more offensive upside than Knies, though won't be able to do some of the stuff Knies does with his size/reach.
• Feels he is likely untouchable for Tre in a deal.
• Had he been born 4 months later and eligible for the 2024 draft, he would have him ranked 7th.

1st Rounder

• Part of Cowan's ranking would be due to his growth this year, but also the outlook on the 2024 draft.
• Especially after 20, there is a big drop off, meaning he feels some GMs who will be in that position won't be so hesitant to deal their 1st. Sellers though, also know this, and will be asking for top prospects over a late 2024 1st.
• Tre shouldn't feel overly bad if he needs to deal the 1st, but make it a good deal.

Minten

• Does not have the upside of Cowan but sees him potentially as a good 3rd liner. Has good size.
• He shouldn't be untouchable in a big deal.

Grebyonkin

• Has good size and is scoring at a tremendous rate for a low-scoring KHL
• His team, Metallurg, gives him a better chance of coming over, rather than had he been on a team like SKA which has more pressure to keep their players.

Niemela

• Sees him as an NHL player but as a 3rd pairing.
• Tremendously smart, though offence isn't overly dynamic.
• Teams might not be as excited to deal for him cause for a 3rd pair, they want more Benoit types there, putting Niemela in an interesting spot if he can't be a 2nd pair guy.

Chadwick

• His offensive growth has been encouraging
• Tremendous decision making abilities

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Interesting stuff. I'd feel a lot better about dealing the 2024 1st if we had a 2nd and/or 2025 1st. Without it, it becomes dicey even if this seems to be the year to deal it. Also glad to hear more names mentioned in the mainstream other than Cowan, Minten and Niemela. I was hoping to hear about Tverberg and Hildeby but knew this was more for the general ear rather than the prospect junkies.

 

[Leafs1991]

To Toronto-
Weegar
Mangiapane 50% retained

To Calgary-
Robertson
Jarnkrok
Reaves
Timmons
Niemela
1st Round Pick

What are you smoking?

 

[Knies iT]

Maybe Peeke is the "cheapest" option because he isn't worth much, kind of makes sense.

Well that's generally how value works.

There's two problems with some of these cheaper options that won't require a 1st to acquire (Carrier, Walker, Seeler) - 1) we don't have a 2nd round pick for the next several years to include in the deal either, and 2) none of them are stylistic fits with Rielly. I don't really want my top 2 RD being 5'11" Carrier and Liljegren against FLA. Rielly-Carrier would get murdered.

If Tre's against using the 1st, then the remaining expendable assets are: 3rd rd pick, Robertson, other B prospects. Not appealing.

I'd personally entertain including Minten/Niemela in a package, preferably the latter. Hopefully get into Borgen territory.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Well that's generally how value works.

There's two problems with some of these cheaper options that won't require a 1st to acquire (Carrier, Walker, Seeler) - 1) we don't have a 2nd round pick for the next several years to include in the deal either, and 2) none of them are stylistic fits with Rielly. I don't really want my top 2 RD being 5'11" Carrier and Liljegren against FLA. Rielly-Carrier would get murdered.

If Tre's against using the 1st, then the remaining expendable assets are: 3rd rd pick, Robertson, other B prospects. Not appealing.

I'd personally entertain including Minten/Niemela in a package, preferably the latter. Hopefully get into Borgen territory.

I feel like Robertson/Borgen is pretty much an even swap.

 

[ULF_55]

Jason Bukala was on the Bunkis podcast to do a prospect hit in terms of update but also in relation to the deadline. I decided it to put it here due to the deadline aspect and so more ppl would see it lol.

Cowan

• Essentially every scouting service or scout out there had him ranked 40-100, good on the Leafs to identify him. People were unsure of his offensive upside at the time.
• Compared him to a modern day Darcy Tucker if you take into account today's game vs. when Tucker played (softer).
• If all pans out, he has more offensive upside than Knies, though won't be able to do some of the stuff Knies does with his size/reach.
• Feels he is likely untouchable for Tre in a deal.
• Had he been born 4 months later and eligible for the 2024 draft, he would have him ranked 7th.

1st Rounder

• Part of Cowan's ranking would be due to his growth this year, but also the outlook on the 2024 draft.
• Especially after 20, there is a big drop off, meaning he feels some GMs who will be in that position won't be so hesitant to deal their 1st. Sellers though, also know this, and will be asking for top prospects over a late 2024 1st.
• Tre shouldn't feel overly bad if he needs to deal the 1st, but make it a good deal.

Minten

• Does not have the upside of Cowan but sees him potentially as a good 3rd liner. Has good size.
• He shouldn't be untouchable in a big deal.

Grebyonkin

• Has good size and is scoring at a tremendous rate for a low-scoring KHL
• His team, Metallurg, gives him a better chance of coming over, rather than had he been on a team like SKA which has more pressure to keep their players.

Niemela

• Sees him as an NHL player but as a 3rd pairing.
• Tremendously smart, though offence isn't overly dynamic.
• Teams might not be as excited to deal for him cause for a 3rd pair, they want more Benoit types there, putting Niemela in an interesting spot if he can't be a 2nd pair guy.

Chadwick

• His offensive growth has been encouraging
• Tremendous decision making abilities

--

Interesting stuff. I'd feel a lot better about dealing the 2024 1st if we had a 2nd and/or 2025 1st. Without it, it becomes dicey even if this seems to be the year to deal it. Also glad to hear more names mentioned in the mainstream other than Cowan, Minten and Niemela. I was hoping to hear about Tverberg and Hildeby but knew this was more for the general ear rather than the prospect junkies.

Okay who are you willing to deal for: Jiricek, David

 

[MarMarSab3]

Okay who are you willing to deal for: Jiricek, David

Anyone but Cowan

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Remember, whatever Dallas paid you have to double that for the Leafs given the Treliving-Calgary feud.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Well there goes 1 of our hopefuls

 

[Menzinger]

Tanev would be fine at the right price. But he's a guy I wouldn't want to overpay for and then feel obligated to sign to an iffy extension

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

There it is. From Dallas?

Edit - Yep. 2nd + prospect is a good offer.

 

[Buds17]

We aren’t giving Benoit any love here.
Against Las Vegas he played the second most minutes. Finished +1 in a 6-2 loss and had 8 I repeat 8 hits.

Can't complain at all about any current lineup fixture earning just under 800K. I was only stating that any comparison of potentially acquiring Peeke with the team's actual acquisition of Benoit might be a case of comparing apples and oranges.

 

[LaPlante94]

I'd say it's too bad we didn't have a 2nd round pick because we can easily match that but I do feel he'll be here as a FA after this season.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Our next three seconds all went away for:

1 playoff run with ROR and Acciari
1 playoff run with Lyubushkin and offloading Ritchie
2 seasons and 3 playoff runs with McCabe and 1 playoff run with Lafferty

Really the only one I wouldn't do again is the Lyubushkin one. As much as Ritchie sucked it's not like that trade led to anything positive for us.

 

[leafsfan5]

Is what it is, we can't match that unless we offered a first and I'm glad we didn't

 

[ULF_55]

Good luck to the Stars and Tanev.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Our next three seconds all went away for:

1 playoff run with ROR and Acciari
1 playoff run with Lyubushkin and offloading Ritchie
2 seasons and 3 playoff runs with McCabe and 1 playoff run with Lafferty

Really the only one I wouldn't do again is the Lyubushkin one. As much as Ritchie sucked it's not like that trade led to anything positive for us.

It sucks not having the cookies that other teams have, but really it's only tough to lament the Ritchie one. The others went for upgrades, as is the price and ask of such at the deadline.