Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[ULF_55]

I would say that probably doesn't affect Carrier's availability. They were scratching for a wild card spot when his name first came up. Even Philly who are now in 3rd. You are either an own rental club or you aren't although there would probably be a different tipping point in the value they would take if they were definitely out.

If clubs think they hold the golden ticket with their UFAs there could need to be some soul searching by Shanatre as to what value might be too painful. I am fairly certain the Prez will tell Tre to open the wallet rather than go into a playoff hoping Topi will save them. and no way Barrie is coming back. I don't think Treliving has tunnel vision on Tanev which is good. Tik tok!

What is the value for 2 month rental of Carrier?

And does that eliminate the assets required to get a real top 4 RD?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Thanks guys. He sounds like a depth piece. I'd probably rather not spend the assets to marginally upgrade the 3rd pair. Especially if they aren't particularly big, greasey, or physical. Does he kill penalties?

 

[ULF_55]

Thanks guys. He sounds like a depth piece. I'd probably rather not spend the assets to marginally upgrade the 3rd pair. Especially if they aren't particularly big, greasey, or physical. Does he kill penalties?

He's 3rd. for SH TOI/g, for their defenders.

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[arso40]

Thanks guys. He sounds like a depth piece. I'd probably rather not spend the assets to marginally upgrade the 3rd pair. Especially if they aren't particularly big, greasey, or physical. Does he kill penalties?

its preference really....some want a pucc moving dman and some want a defensive dman to play with rielly if youve guys watched the games recently or for the season for that matter we need a baby sitter for rielly not saying he isnt a great dman hes just so offense driven (blame the coaches) that he needs a partner thats defense driven to balance the pair out if he dialed it bacc and picced his spots we'd be having a different discussion cause we'd already have his defensive partner and would be looking for a bottom 4 instead of a top four

 

[Buds17]

Schenn was a cheap option....



Decent all around D man, good offensively, and defensively, not necessarily great at either... but good player. 5'11" 174 lbs.

If you are starting from scratch, he's a guy who's attractive. When your main need is a defense first, mobile, large, physical partner for Rielly... I really don't think this is what we need at all.

Schenn had much better numbers when he was acquired from Vancouver.

 

[KMNRB]

I don't necessarily disagree with you but this goes both ways.

Imagine Tampa Bay didn't end up trading for Mcdonagh and JT Miller cause they didn't want to give up Libor Hajek, Vlad Namestnikov, Brett Howden, 1st rounder (Nils Lundvist), 2nd rounder (Karl Henriksson).

I think if you went through most trades where a team is giving up picks after 20th overall the history would lean friendlier towards the team acquiring the impact player over the picks.

Ofcourse this is still worthwhile for selling teams cause asset management is important and getting something of value back for an asset instead of that asset leaving for nothing ... Even if whatever you're getting back for that asset has a higher chance of ending up being not much.

The thing is, teams are more willing to spend their future toward the end of their cup window.

We wasted all those first rounders in previous years because it was the end of Dubas' window, not the Leafs if we believed we could extend Matthews and Nylander (which we did).

Now we have at least 5 more cup runs with Matthews (esp after Tavares' contract expires and with the rising cap). Guys like Cowan and Minten or even Nielema can become core young pieces in two or three of those cup runs.

Even the 2024 first rounder will likely be, given how well we seem to draft in late 1st early 2nd round. Our scouting staffs seem capable of turning a late 1st rounder into a higher value asset. We should reward them for their last year's works too.

So I say we add, but no more than giving up a second (maybe trade our first for two seconds) or third or B-level prospect. (unless we get guys with 2 to 3 years left in their contracts)

 

[WTFMAN99]

The thing is, teams are more willing to spend their future toward the end of their cup window.

We wasted all those first rounders in previous years because it was the end of Dubas' window, not the Leafs if we believed we could extend Matthews and Nylander (which we did).

Now we have at least 5 more cup runs with Matthews (esp after Tavares' contract expires and with the rising cap). Guys like Cowan and Minten or even Nielema can become core young pieces in two or three of those cup runs.

Even the 2024 first rounder will likely be, given how well we seem to draft in late 1st early 2nd round. Our scouting staffs seem capable of turning a late 1st rounder into a higher value asset. We should reward them for their last year's works too.

So I say we add, but no more than giving up a second (maybe trade our first for two seconds) or third or B-level prospect. (unless we get guys with 2 to 3 years left in their contracts)

I'm going to give a little bit of praise to Lou

He didn't get stupid with chasing things.

He sent a 2nd out for Boyle and a 2nd out for Plekanec...it felt rich but at the same time, he wasn't emptying the cupboard because he recognized where the team was at.

 

[Fogelhund]

Schenn had much better numbers when he was acquired from Vancouver.

Schenn was lucky enough to play beside Quinn Hughes, after sucking and being a #6/7 for a decade. There was talk at one point, that his NHL ride was nearly over, before Vancouver picked him up.

Vancouver was wise to pick up Schenn, because they saw that a guy who had the skills, but wasn't being used in a way that he could take advantage of them. They used him with the right partner.

A little perspective here, and perhaps notice that parallel.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Schenn was lucky enough to play beside Quinn Hughes, after sucking and being a #6/7 for a decade. There was talk at one point, that his NHL ride was nearly over, before Vancouver picked him up.

Vancouver was wise to pick up Schenn, because they saw that a guy who had the skills, but wasn't being used in a way that he could take advantage of them. They used him with the right partner.

A little perspective here, and perhaps notice that parallel.

Schenn had also invested time with Oates to work on puck skills more, his break out pass isn't terrible.

Rielly-Schenn just worked.

 

[Fogelhund]

Schenn had also invested time with Oates to work on puck skills more, his break out pass isn't terrible.

Rielly-Schenn just worked.

It did... it was fantastically stupid not to sign him before July 1st, at a more reasonable deal than Nashville did... though I guess congrats on the $.

Schenn types, they tend to work with someone else who can move the puck though... and congrats for Schenn on working on his game... (though it hasn't helped him in Nashville, where he doesn't have the right partner) chances are we have some coaches who can help players with their game too.

This is the problem with some of these discussion amongst fans... we want the BEST player, without thought to fit, and to team balance... what we really need. We need another player "like" Schenn.

 

[nuck]

What is the value for 2 month rental of Carrier?

And does that eliminate the assets required to get a real top 4 RD?

Who is the real top 4 RD you are thinking of that isn't available now?

 

[Buds17]

Schenn was lucky enough to play beside Quinn Hughes, after sucking and being a #6/7 for a decade. There was talk at one point, that his NHL ride was nearly over, before Vancouver picked him up.

Vancouver was wise to pick up Schenn, because they saw that a guy who had the skills, but wasn't being used in a way that he could take advantage of them. They used him with the right partner.

A little perspective here, and perhaps notice that parallel.

I agree with all of that. The potential difference here is that Schenn was acquired after having that rebirth and playing well alongside Q. Hughes. Meanwhile, we'd be acquiring Peeke and hoping he meshes well with Rielly.

 

[Fogelhund]

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A first for Dumba?

I can see the "Ask" being that for Tanev and Walker, I'm just not sure they are going to get it.

I agree with all of that. The potential difference here is that Schenn was acquired after having that rebirth and playing well alongside Q. Hughes. Meanwhile, we'd be acquiring Peeke and hoping he meshes well with Rielly.

Agreed.... I've often said, it would be a risk for us... I think it's worth the phone call. A third and Hirvonen for Peeke at 50%? I'd do that.

Edit... now that I think about, I'm actually really liking that idea. I think at worst, he's a decent 3rd pairing, with the potential to work out with Mo... at 1.375 mil, it's a low risk move... if it doesn't work out with Mo, there should be RD available on July 1st, and we would keep our 1st and good prospects.

 

[nuck]

Schenn had also invested time with Oates to work on puck skills more, his break out pass isn't terrible.

Rielly-Schenn just worked.

If you look at the regular season it didn't really work with Mo like it did in the playoffs and that is the bigger sample. He was not very good but he threw some hits and played like a vet and then in the playoffs he suddenly found that other gear. The change in his advanced stats looks like two different players. I don't know if he could find that same lightning in a bottle again but he isn't an expiring $850k UFA so its a moot point.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

All these bum teams asking for a first for their bum players all because they hold their stick right handed. Jesus Christ. I hope this deadline is a dud and these teams lose these guys for nothing in the summer. Good comeuppance for their hubris.

 

[arso40]

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A first for Dumba?

I can see the "Ask" being that for Tanev and Walker, I'm just not sure they are going to get it.


Agreed.... I've often said, it would be a risk for us... I think it's worth the phone call. A third and Hirvonen for Peeke at 50%? I'd do that.

Edit... now that I think about, I'm actually really liking that idea. I think at worst, he's a decent 3rd pairing, with the potential to work out with Mo... at 1.375 mil, it's a low risk move... if it doesn't work out with Mo, there should be RD available on July 1st, and we would keep our 1st and good prospects.

peeke wouldnt even cost that much....now that they have a different gm im not sure if the price changed but with the old one a 4th would have probably done it a 3rd for sure who knows now but thats the tire to kicc in my opinion hes better than schenn with way bigger upside for sure given how his seasons gone but for sure hes at worst on our 3rd pair much more skilled then benoit

 

[MarMarSab3]

The option may be to find a team that wants youngish players in return, Columbus, Philadelphia come to mind in that they aren't in full rebuild but from the bottom and looking to compete in the next year or 2, so guys like Robertson, Holmberg, Niemela, Steeves may be of interest. A Steeves plus 4th for Peeke?

 

[rumman]

Maybe Peeke is the "cheapest" option because he isn't worth much, kind of makes sense.

A team as bad as the Ducks didn’t think Benoit was worth keeping, he turned out to be a quality pick up, Peeke could be the same type of acquisition………

 

[ACC1224]

All these bum teams asking for a first for their bum players all because they hold their stick right handed. Jesus Christ. I hope this deadline is a dud and these teams lose these guys for nothing in the summer. Good comeuppance for their hubris.

If the Leafs were sellers, I'd hope the GM would try and get top dollar for every player.

 

[ULF_55]

Who is the real top 4 RD you are thinking of that isn't available now?

Probably players who we don't know are available, but can be had for a higher price.

But you're likely hinting at same ole same ole scenario.

Pick up a bottom pairing defender and hope he meshes.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you look at the regular season it didn't really work with Mo like it did in the playoffs and that is the bigger sample. He was not very good but he threw some hits and played like a vet and then in the playoffs he suddenly found that other gear. The change in his advanced stats looks like two different players. I don't know if he could find that same lightning in a bottle again but he isn't an expiring $850k UFA so its a moot point.

I think Keefe really outsmarted himself with all the players he had available, running 11/7 and scratching guys etc, not letting them get comfortable here.

Schenn was scratched a bit and then I think his wife also had a kid.

 

[BertCorbeau]

A first for Dumba?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Can someone explain how last year's version of Luke Schenn was sold to us for a 3rd (highest bid) but Tanev is worth a 1st? I get the higher skill but considering age and cap hit, it's ridiculous. Are their profiles not similar where the attractive value is: can play top 4D with a skill partner, warrior, physical, playoff material.

Why tf was Zadorov traded so early for a 2026 3rd? Stop bluffing and just make a reasonable trade

 

[nuck]

A team as bad as the Ducks didn’t think Benoit was worth keeping, he turned out to be a quality pick up, Peeke could be the same type of acquisition………

They have Lilly and they have pushed McCabe over there so there won't be two guys coming in. Are you thinking he is the add at RD for the playoffs?

 

[arso40]

They have Lilly and they have pushed McCabe over there so there won't be two guys coming in. Are you thinking he is the add at RD for the playoffs?

i'd like to add him personally