Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Fogelhund]

He's pretty unspectacular, just a very meh player.

Its been a good run for him right now though.

You know... teams are filled with average players. But for some reason, many Leafs fans categorize people as stars, or unworthy... we need average players too... He's a very young D, they take time to develop, many lack patience, and he's already average, to slightly above average.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Cowan for Crouse

I would never do it but I will be honest I was expecting worse.

Crouse is at least somebody that could help this team.

 

[Jozay]

You know... teams are filled with average players. But for some reason, many Leafs fans categorize people as stars, or unworthy... we need average players too... He's a very young D, they take time to develop, many lack patience, and he's already average, to slightly above average.

No one said theres anything wrong with him being average.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Minimalist off-season

Reaves demoted

Top 4 D is SOLID

We have new PK personnel with Cowan, Silfverberg, Minten and Wennberg at forward

Forsling and Roy on D

 

[TheShape]

I think many people are really underrating Liljegren. Maybe its partly because he isn't super physical and laying big hits all the time and he isn't putting up a ton of points either, but if you put that aside he's been playing really good defense in most games these days and I trust him on the ice in important situations. Also his offense has slowly improved as Keefe has been giving him more PP time and he's been getting more involved in taking the puck up the ice and making plays with it.

I always said that Liljegren just needed a chance to prove himself and right now he's looking pretty good and you can probably re-sign him at a good price so I don't know why some people keep throwing him in trade proposals when we should be keeping him probably above most every other Dman we have.

Keefe has yo-yo'd him around too much the last few years for my liking. Liljegren was solid with Sandin, Gio on the 3rd pair last season and now thriving with Brodie which has shifted our entire top 4 landscape, we may be okay with adding just one D-man at the deadline for Rielly.

Glad to see Lilly finally get some deserved PP reps, people sleep on his offensive game. Some forget he was compared to a poor man's Erik Karlsson in his draft year and was a lock for top 5 before missing the majority of the season.

 

[Dreakmur]

1x1 he's like 28 and has zero track record so far at the NHL level beyond this season

Basically around what Bunting got

I hope you’re right.

Being 28 with no track record may push him to look for the biggest contract possible. This might be his only chance, and someone out there is likely willing to pay for a physical forward who’s got 9 goals play less than 10 minutes in 31 games.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I hope you’re right.

Being 28 with no track record may push him to look for the biggest contract possible. This might be his only chance, and someone out there is likely willing to pay for a physical forward who’s got 9 goals play less than 10 minutes in 31 games.

I think he's right - Bunting had a nice ending to his Arizona season and signed 1.1M x 2 in Toronto

McMann while nice likely would do something in the 900k-1.1M range with Toronto for a couple of years - some loyalty likely exists as we gave him his chance to be a pro.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think McMann is the type of guy that you attempt to extend now.

 

[The Masters]

Keefe putting JT on third line while also breaking him and nylander up should have been done a long time ago

 

[IrishInOntario]

I think McMann is the type of guy that you attempt to extend now.

Agreed. It's not just about money for McMann either. It's about the promise of opportunity. I think you extend him in the 2x 1.2-1.5 million range and tell him that you'll guarantee him an extended opportunity to play a top 9 role. That puts him in a position to produce regularly and at 30 he can sign a contract somewhere in between that of Jarnkrok and Hyman, if he proves himself.

 

[4thline]

I think McMann is the type of guy that you attempt to extend now.

Yeah. Put a two-year one-way max buriable (1.15) in front of him and he really has to consider it. That's still life changing money.

He'd have big decision in front of him. Maybe he keeps this up through the rest of the season and a deep run and is looking at millions as a UFA. Maybe Jarncrok comes back, we add a forward at the deadline and he's the odd man out with the last two weeks being the high water mark of his career.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah. Put a two-year one-way max buriable (1.15) in front of him and he really has to consider it. That's still life changing money.

He'd have big decision in front of him. Maybe he keeps this up through the rest of the season and a deep run and is looking at millions as a UFA. Maybe Jarncrok comes back, we add a forward at the deadline and he's the odd man out with the last two weeks being the high water mark of his career.

Brodzinski is 30 years old and just signed a 2 year deal that's 1-way for a pretty low aav.

If we did that 1.15M 1-way 2 year deal, that is definitely worthwhile for McMann, NYR isn't exactly low cost of living either.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Keefe putting JT on third line while also breaking him and nylander up should have been done a long time ago

McMann-JT-Jarnkrok would make for a nasty 3rd line checking unit that can score. I'd also like to see Robertson elevated on to the 2nd line next season, where he can play regularly play in an offensive role when Bertuzzi is gone. That's the type of player he is, IMO.

For now,

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Kampft-Deadline addition

 

[The Masters]

McMann-JT-Jarnkrok would make for a nasty 3rd line checking unit that can score. I'd also like to see Robertson elevated on to the 2nd line next season, where he can play regularly play in an offensive role when Bertuzzi is gone. That's the type of player he is, IMO.

For now,

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Jarnkrok
McMann-Kampft-Deadline addition

It's clear now TRE will be aggressive at the TD right?

 

[ACC1224]

I think McMann is the type of guy that you attempt to extend now.

Agreed, seems like him and Tavares can form a good bottom line duo going forward.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think McMann is the type of guy that you attempt to extend now.

Yep. I'd go 2-3 years around 1.5M or so. Seems like a great fit. He's now at .5 PPG for the season playing some really low minutes up until recently.

He's gotta stay healthy though.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yep. I'd go 2-3-4 years between 1.5-2M. Seems like a great fit. He's now at .5 PPG playing some really low minutes up until recently.

He's gotta stay healthy though.

That's a little more than I'd hope that we could get him for.. but two years at $1.1 is about where I'd start.

Big body, can skate hard, hits, and scores... he potted 21 goals in 30 games with the Marlies last year... he's a guy who knows how to work hard, and score goals... you've gotta like that.

 

[arso40]

It's clear now TRE will be aggressive at the TD right?

yeah on the baccend sure

 

[The Masters]

yeah on the baccend sure

Rielly - Tanev
Brodie - Lily
Benoit - McCabe

Is that enough to compete in the playoffs for a long run?

 

[arso40]

Rielly - Tanev
Brodie - Lily
Benoit - McCabe

Is that enough to compete in the playoffs for a long run?

id like to think so thats 6 capable top 4 options with gio laggy timmins in the weeds incase an injury i like the depth we got just missing riellys partner

 

[IrishInOntario]

It's clear now TRE will be aggressive at the TD right?

I hope he doesn't go crazy. I don't want to see the 1st round pick moved if it's not in a trade for a top pairing RHD. I also don't want to see young, cost controlled assets such as Roberston, Minten, Cowan Grebenkin or Niemela moved for rentals. If a guy is expiring, the Leafs better have confidence they can extend him. They've burned too many picks lately on rentals.

Term or pass, IMO. Defense over forwards.

 

[4thline]

I'd move the 1st for Larsson instantly if Seattle made him available

Tanev- I don't like the 1st for a rental, and the idea of a multi-year extension to a 34 year old with his injury history is the definition of a risky move.

But- He's a GTA boy that's made over 40m, maybe he comes home cheap cup chasing on a 1-2 year?

I also wonder if Tre is framing the negotiation to set up a scenario where we give up the 1st but get one or more later picks back with Tanev

 

[SprDaVE]

That's a little more than I'd hope that we could get him for.. but two years at $1.1 is about where I'd start.

Big body, can skate hard, hits, and scores... he potted 21 goals in 30 games with the Marlies last year... he's a guy who knows how to work hard, and score goals... you've gotta like that.

2 years seems like a good fit for both sides. If he keeps up the pace I dunno how he signs for less than 1.5M with his current pace and I think he'd easily get that from a few teams if he reaches free agency. I hope he's brought back.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Rielly - Tanev
Brodie - Lily
Benoit - McCabe

Is that enough to compete in the playoffs for a long run?

How about Tanev and Schenn? Gives you flexibility.

Rielly - Tanev
Brodie - Liljegren
Benoit - McCabe
Giordano - Schenn

Rielly - Tanev
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Schenn
Benoit- Giordano

Rielly - Tanev
Brodie - Liljegren
McCabe - Schenn
Benoit - Giordano

Luke is your #7 guy, but can easily slot into your third pair if Benoit struggles and needs to sit, with McCabe moving back to the left side, or Brodie struggles and McCabe needs to be slotted into the 2nd pair on the left side.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd move the 1st for Larsson instantly if Seattle made him available

Tanev- I don't like the 1st for a rental, and the idea of a multi-year extension to a 34 year old with his injury history is the definition of a risky move.

But- He's a GTA boy that's made over 40m, maybe he comes home cheap cup chasing on a 1-2 year?

I also wonder if Tre is framing the negotiation to set up a scenario where we give up the 1st but get one or more later picks back with Tanev

Tanev should be around what Giordano got in terms of acquisition price. Problem is that the Leafs don't have the same draft capital right now.

The problem with extending Tanev is that I believe his next contract will be considered 35+ since his birthday is in December of this year (I could be wrong here though). Treliving has a long list of terrible long-term contracts to his resume. I do think if Treliving acquires Tanev it'll be with an extension.