Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Americanadian]

Bean's playing the Left side.

It still doesn't change the fact that he's sitting. You mentioned yourself that Peeke was paired with Gudbranson last season - both right handed.

Peeke has been replaced by Jiricek, and Boqvist will be sitting too. Jiricek is going to be a top D man in this league... so that is perfectly understandable, former 6th OA pick. Boqvist played a couple of games on the Left side, when Werenski was injured, he more replaces what they lost in Werenski.

I am all in on Jiricek but they're playing him 15 minutes/game instead of playing Peeke and Boqvist. I get it but it's still a bad defensive corps and Peeke has only managed 1 game so far.

 

[Fogelhund]

It still doesn't change the fact that he's sitting. You mentioned yourself that Peeke was paired with Gudbranson last season - both right handed.

I am all in on Jiricek but they're playing him 15 minutes/game instead of playing Peeke and Boqvist. I get it but it's still a bad defensive corps and Peeke has only managed 1 game so far.

They've made a decision based on who they brought in.

Don't jump to conclusions on defensive results, after a few games. The last team in the NHL in GA, is currently Carolina... one of the best D cores in the league.

 

[613Leafer]

It's a staggering number, on a terrible team. There is no question, that he had a bad year. Before last year, he was an up and coming defensive D, with good mobility, physicality... not great at moving the puck, no offensive instincts of note. Keep in mind team goaltending was at 0.891 save percentage.... He was #3 TOI for them last year, with over 62% Dzone starts... on an atrocious team.

He played a lot with Gavrikov, and was a -10 as a pair.... Gavrikov moves to LA Kings, and has been a +13 since.

Peeke gets paired with Gudbranson, and Blakenberg after the trade... and they ended up being disasters together.

Obtaining him is a gamble.... it could work out very well, or maybe not. If you had asked me last offseason.. I would have been 100% for obtaining him. Now... I'd wait and give what we have a chance.

I'm interested in Peeke as well - a 6'3 physical defensive dman is something we need for the playoffs. These types of players tend to be more effective in the playoffs once the refs forget what interference is.

Questionable if he's quite good enough though. I think if we're adding him, we're doing it because we think he can legit play a top 4 role. Hard to judge defensive dmen on bad teams, so it's kinda hard to tell.

Also, I'm reluctant to give up on Timmins, and adding Peeke makes it even less likely he sees significant ice time. Just wish Peeke were available in like 2-3 months instead of right now.

 

[LaPlante94]

I'm interested in Peeke as well - a 6'3 physical defensive dman is something we need for the playoffs. These types of players tend to be more effective in the playoffs once the refs forget what interference is.

Questionable if he's quite good enough though. I think if we're adding him, we're doing it because we think he can legit play a top 4 role. Hard to judge defensive dmen on bad teams, so it's kinda hard to tell.

Also, I'm reluctant to give up on Timmins, and adding Peeke makes it even less likely he sees significant ice time. Just wish Peeke were available in like 2-3 months instead of right now.

I don't think playing Peeke would mean less ice time for Timmins when he's healthy. It might just mean more games off for Gio unless they trade McCabe away.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Would love to see

Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi Tavares Marner
Domi Holmberg Gregor
McMann Kampf Jarnkrok

That 4th line is a true shutdown line
3rd has speed and tenacity

 

[notdoneyet]

Would love to see

Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi Tavares Marner
Domi Holmberg Gregor
McMann Kampf Jarnkrok

That 4th line is a true shutdown line
3rd has speed and tenacity

We need a third line to be good offensively
To compliment the top six when they get shutdown

 

[MarMarSab3]

We need a third line to be good offensively
To compliment the top six when they get shutdown

If your top 6 is getting shutdown your odds of losing are extremely likely no matter whatvteam you are

 

[TheDoldrums]

Would love to see

Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi Tavares Marner
Domi Holmberg Gregor
McMann Kampf Jarnkrok

That 4th line is a true shutdown line
3rd has speed and tenacity

I would also like a lineup without Reaves but we have to live in reality. That is the optimal top 6 tho imo

 

[capfit9]

Anyone know what’s going on with Logan Stanley in WPG, only played one game ?

 

[LeafParade]

Since McCabe and Brodie can play either side, I do not mind a lefty like Bean.

Reilly and Gio are pure lefties, and Lilly, Klingberg, Timmins are pure righties.

Gio and Klingberg are probably not back in a year.

I am most concerned about what you have to give up for a new d and their caphit. The team is already accumulating enough overpaid contracts like Reaves and Kampf.

 

[Americanadian]

If Jarnkrok goes out the door to make room for a defenseman I would love to see Treliving make a move to bring in Duehr. He has shown a similar profile to Will Carrier in his 33 NHL games so far. He is 4th in the league at 5v5 goals/60 between this season and last season (behind Caufield, McCann, Pastrnak), he would be 3rd on the Leafs in hits/60 in that same time frame. He's big and he's fast (85th percentile skating speed). He would be an ideal 3RW or 4RW in the playoffs if Reaves doesn't play (unlikely).

Treliving should be very familiar with the player, he signed the player out of college and signed him to his current deal. He might become available with Zary making a push for the NHL and Pelletier possibly getting a NHL chance when he returns from injury. A Timmins for Duehr deal would make sense for both teams - Calgary has a hole at 3RD with Weegar normally playing LD. Gilbert and Oesterle have played 12 minutes and 13 minutes/game respectively and Kylington is a mystery at this point. Both players are signed through next season.

I really liked Timmins last year and I'd be hesitant to move off him in a pure dump but I think Duehr is a better NHL player today and most likely going forward given Timmins' missed development time (he has played 130 games since 2018). I also don't seem him cracking the lineup if another defender is brought in which was the premise of this post.

TL;DR: Timmins for Duehr

 

[SprDaVE]

The biggest issue with the Leafs is that they just don't have cap space and very little ways of creating cap space. They already have 7-8 NHL defenseman, so if there's an appetite to make it better, it has to be someone of quality and not just a bottom pairing guy. I have serious doubts Peeke is better than the 6 NHL regulars that are currently playing unless Giordano is going to start sitting out (he won't).

Kampf is the only real issue that they could dump to make it happen. He's not winning faceoffs right now either (40%). I like his work ethic but he's really struggling so far to the point where Gambrell could do about the same for a fraction of the price. They could also maybe give up on Klingberg early... but finding a taker will be hard.

Jarnkrok is far too important upfront to be used as a way to create cap space as well. He's been used in 3 different lines and has made each of those lines better, on top of being on the PK and 2nd PP. And now he's lining up with Matthews and Marner tonight. All that for 2.1M going into next season as well? Yeah no... he's not being traded for cap space.

 

[Americanadian]

Kampf is the only real issue that they could dump to make it happen. He's not winning faceoffs right now either (40%). I like his work ethic but he's really struggling so far. They could also maybe give up on Klingberg early... but finding a taker will be hard.
Jarnkrok is far too important upfront to be used as a way to create cap space as well. He's been used in 3 different lines and has made each of those lines better, on top of being on the PK and 2nd PP. All that for 2.1M going into next season as well? Yeah no... he's not being traded for cap space.

I do wonder what Treliving thinks of Jarnkrok. Treliving acquired him 19 months ago and Jarnkrok was a bust for him. I wouldn't be shocked if Treliving has a sour taste in his mouth from that experience and would be willing to move off the player if the right move became available (defenseman coming in).

I would love to see him acknowledge his mistake with Kampf and move off him immediately but that was his first signing as Leafs GM and unfortunately I don't see him admitting his mistake this early. I also don't see how Kampf has positive value across the league on his current deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

I do wonder what Treliving thinks of Jarnkrok. Treliving acquired him 19 months ago and Jarnkrok was a bust for him. I wouldn't be shocked if Treliving has a sour taste in his mouth from that experience and would be willing to move off the player if the right move became available (defenseman coming in).

I would love to see him acknowledge his mistake with Kampf and move off him immediately but that was his first signing as Leafs GM and unfortunately I don't see him admitting his mistake this early. I also don't see how Kampf has positive value across the league on his current deal.

He's probably been one of our better 2-way forwards outside of the top players. We want to be better defensively and have better depth front... I find it bizarre a lot of people here are rushing at removing that kind of player, especially only to add someone that isn't even playing.

I don't think Treliving really cares about Jarnkrok not doing all that great in Calgary. Many players weren't that good in their playoff run.

 

[Americanadian]

He's probably been one of our better 2-way forwards outside of the top players. We want to be better defensively and have better depth front...

I know for me, and a lot of people who I've seen make proposals around Jarnkrok on here, it's his playoff resume that makes him expendable. He is very valuable as a regular season player.

I find it bizarre a lot of people here are rushing at removing that kind of player, especially only to add someone that isn't even playing.

I proposed trading him for Dellandrea yesterday who is currently a healthy scratch in Dallas. Dellandrea was a better defensive player than Jarnkrok last year as a rookie and he played more minutes/GP than Jarnkrok in the playoffs last year and he scored at a 16G/82GP pace in the playoffs. He is also cheaper, plays C and 9 years younger.

 

[ULF_55]

Since McCabe and Brodie can play either side, I do not mind a lefty like Bean.

Reilly and Gio are pure lefties, and Lilly, Klingberg, Timmins are pure righties.

Gio and Klingberg are probably not back in a year.

I am most concerned about what you have to give up for a new d and their caphit. The team is already accumulating enough overpaid contracts like Reaves and Kampf.

Hopefully Treliving isn't re-signing Brodie for the same money.

He'll be 34, playing close to birth location ... if they pay him more than $3mm it's a problem.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Hopefully Treliving isn't re-signing Brodie for the same money.

He'll be 34, playing close to birth location ... if they pay him more than $3mm it's a problem.

I think both DeMelo (new Hainsey for Rielly) and Hakanpa (3rd pairing physicality) would be prime targets this off-season if they reach UFA.

DeMelo fits the profile so well in that he knows his role and it's the type of partner that has traditionally worked with Rielly in the past.

I'll also bring up a potential controversial acquisition idea -Trouba

1. Name value coupled with seemingly lack of top 4 RD available
2. Matthews & McCabe could maybe convince him to waive
3. NYR cap situation is tight
4. Adds physicality
5. Treliving's type

I suspect the analytics crowd will hate this but I think the biggest hurtle would be getting him to waive. Toronto is probably the only location in Canada he'd waive for, similar to McCabe and it helps having a couple of fellow Americans here.

Rielly-DeMelo
McCabe-Trouba
Kokkonen-Hakanpa next season would be interesting, completely different right side.

 

[Fogelhund]

Rielly-DeMelo
McCabe-Trouba
Kokkonen-Hakanpa next season would be interesting, completely different right side.

The challenge with this group, is that really only Rielly plays the PP at this point. How to address?

 

[horner]

Columbas Anaheim and

I think both DeMelo (new Hainsey for Rielly) and Hakanpa (3rd pairing physicality) would be prime targets this off-season if they reach UFA.

DeMelo fits the profile so well in that he knows his role and it's the type of partner that has traditionally worked with Rielly in the past.
Why would tgw
I'll also bring up a potential controversial acquisition idea -Trouba

1. Name value coupled with seemingly lack of top 4 RD available
2. Matthews & McCabe could maybe convince him to waive
3. NYR cap situation is tight
4. Adds physicality
5. Treliving's type

I suspect the analytics crowd will hate this but I think the biggest hurtle would be getting him to waive. Toronto is probably the ronly location in Canada he'd waive for, similar to McCabe and it helps having a couple of fellow Americans here.

Rielly-DeMelo
McCabe-Trouba
Kokkonen-Hakanpa next season would be interesting, completely different right side.

Why would the Rangers trade there Captain

 

[WTFMAN99]

The challenge with this group, is that really only Rielly plays the PP at this point. How to address?

I thought about this. I had a few ideas and I don't know if they're any good, so rip away lol.

Rielly could play the full PP

Sign Gustafsson probably for 800-900k and he's an option, especially if Kokkonen doesn't take the job.

Try someone like Trouba - he has a hard shot but probably not the best option for PP2

Why would the Rangers trade there Captain

Cap problems - Lindgren, Shesterkin and Miller extensions are coming. They could likely trade other pieces first if they really wanted to keep him.

The NMC is probably the biggest problem.

 

[horner]

I thought about this. I had a few ideas and I don't know if they're any good, so rip away lol.

Rielly could play the full PP

Sign Gustafsson probably for 800-900k and he's an option, especially if Kokkonen doesn't take the job.

Try someone like Trouba - he has a hard shot but probably not the best option for PP2



Cap problems - Lindgren, Shesterkin and Miller extensions are coming. They could likely trade other pieces first if they really wanted to keep him.

The NMC is probably the biggest problem.

Trade for Miller

 

[WTFMAN99]

Trade for Miller

I think they like him

 

[Fogelhund]

I thought about this. I had a few ideas and I don't know if they're any good, so rip away lol.

Rielly could play the full PP

Sign Gustafsson probably for 800-900k and he's an option, especially if Kokkonen doesn't take the job.

Try someone like Trouba - he has a hard shot but probably not the best option for PP2

Rielly gets injured and.....

Try Liljegren? Go for a Liljegren and Zadorov bottom pairing instead, if Liljegren shows any promise on the PP?

Timmins would be good, if we could bubble wrap the poor guy. But I don't know how you depend on him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Rielly gets injured and.....

Try Liljegren? Go for a Liljegren and Zadorov bottom pairing instead, if Liljegren shows any promise on the PP?

Timmins would be good, if we could bubble wrap the poor guy. But I don't know how you depend on him.

Oh I know.

To be honest, I thought Liljegren would be a piece that goes back the other way for Trouba in this scenario, his next contract is at best, half of Trouba's current deal.

I'm just trying to think like Treliving a bit and I think he'd love what Trouba and Hakanpa would bring to the roster. It's been a struggle in front of the net so far.

 

[horner]

I thought about this. I had a few ideas and I don't know if they're any good, so rip away lol.

Rielly could play the full PP

Sign Gustafsson probably for 800-900k and he's an option, especially if Kokkonen doesn't take the job.

Try someone like Trouba - he has a hard shot but probably not the best option for PP2



Cap problems - Lindgren, Shesterkin and Miller extensions are coming. They could likely trade other pieces first if they really wanted to keep him.

The NMC is probably the biggest problem.

Miller and Shesterkins need to be signed in 2025-2026