Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[keonsbitterness]

Maybe they want to build a contender?

Seems self-evident they consider themselves a contender and have no intention of trading a core piece.

 

[Dreakmur]

Seems self-evident they consider themselves a contender and have no intention of trading a core piece.

I’m naively hoping they will realize they aren’t….

 

[ULF_55]

I’m naively hoping they will realize they aren’t….

Perhaps we should resign ourselves to the notion it is marketing that is the greater goal.

If they win that's a secondary bonus.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Perhaps we should resign ourselves to the notion it is marketing that is the greater goal.

If they win that's a secondary bonus.

Are the big 4 still even that lucrative from a marketing perspective? Seems like a good portion of the fan base are pretty over them and some new faces would be more marketable.

 

[ULF_55]

Are the big 4 still even that lucrative from a marketing perspective? Seems like a good portion of the fan base are pretty over them and some new faces would be more marketable.

Doubt it.

Perhaps a percentage of HF's type fans are losing faith, but that would be a small percentage of actual fans.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Im glad im just a fan. I wouldn’t wanna clean up this mess.
It’s too good to be bad and too bad to win it all.

When you create a culture that allows your captain to get jumped , knowing that not a single guy will go to war for each other - you can’t expect guys like Bertuzzi , Domi and Reaves to thrive. Just wait until they retire and talk about their “stint” in Toronto, where everything was perfect - until they hit the ice.

 

[Evilhomer]

Perhaps we should resign ourselves to the notion it is marketing that is the greater goal.

If they win that's a secondary bonus.

I think there is unquestionably truth in the notion that the organization takes its reputation very seriously, and trading away stars can sometimes conflict with that approach.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think there is unquestionably truth in the notion that the organization takes its reputation very seriously, and trading away stars can sometimes conflict with that approach.

Being known for caring too much about your image can be bad for your image.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Im glad im just a fan. I wouldn’t wanna clean up this mess.
It’s too good to be bad and too bad to win it all.

When you create a culture that allows your captain to get jumped , knowing that not a single guy will go to war for each other - you can’t expect guys like Bertuzzi , Domi and Reaves to thrive. Just wait until they retire and talk about their “stint” in Toronto, where everything was perfect - until they hit the ice.

The culture caused them to forget how to skate, shoot, or handle pucks? Damn that’s crazy, they really need to fix that.

 

[rumman]

Perhaps we should resign ourselves to the notion it is marketing that is the greater goal.

If they win that's a secondary bonus.

THIS…….

 

[mydnyte]

Canucks have a young elite 1C, 1D, and 1G for 20M.

Leafs have a young elite 1C, 1W, and 1W for 29M, going to 36M next year.

And the Canucks organization imploded last year - largely why they were as low as 22nd.

this is disingenuous
Canucks have a #1C that needs a new HUGE deal. then have a 1W, a 1D and a 1G for 28.2.
the #1G is making an 'average' #1G salary @ $5mil, so, he shouldnt even be in the equation
Pettersson will get more than Nylander. and maybe close to Matthews $$
and Boeser will be getting a big raise, or be gone also.
their entire D save 2, needs to be resigned to raises.
Vancouver is not in a great position if they want to keep their existing players.

 

[Dreakmur]

this is disingenuous
Canucks have a #1C that needs a new HUGE deal. then have a 1W, a 1D and a 1G for 28.2.
the #1G is making an 'average' #1G salary @ $5mil, so, he shouldnt even be in the equation
Pettersson will get more than Nylander. and maybe close to Matthews $$
and Boeser will be getting a big raise, or be gone also.
their entire D save 2, needs to be resigned to raises.
Vancouver is not in a great position if they want to keep their existing players.

They'll have 40 million in cap space next summer. Even if you think it takes 25 million to sign Petterson, Lindholm, and Hronek, that leaves 15 million to sign a top-4 defenseman, a bottom 6 defenseman, a backup goalie, and a couple of bottom 6 wingers.

 

[mydnyte]

They'll have 40 million in cap space next summer. Even if you think it takes 25 million to sign Petterson, Lindholm, and Hronek, that leaves 15 million to sign a top-4 defenseman, a bottom 6 defenseman, a backup goalie, and a couple of bottom 6 wingers.

they need to sign 4 starting defensemen next season. not 2, and 6 forwards that are all expiring.
they have a nice chunk of change, but, it will be gone very quickly.

 

[Dreakmur]

they need to sign 4 starting defensemen next season. not 2, and 6 forwards that are all expiring.
they have a nice chunk of change, but, it will be gone very quickly.

Once they sign Hronek, that will give them 4 returning defenders including Hughes, Soucy, and Juulsen. They probably want to push Juulsen into the 7 spot, but they don’t have to. Plus, Poolman may come back at some point.

 

[LeafEgo]

this is disingenuous
Canucks have a #1C that needs a new HUGE deal. then have a 1W, a 1D and a 1G for 28.2.
the #1G is making an 'average' #1G salary @ $5mil, so, he shouldnt even be in the equation
Pettersson will get more than Nylander. and maybe close to Matthews $$
and Boeser will be getting a big raise, or be gone also.
their entire D save 2, needs to be resigned to raises.
Vancouver is not in a great position if they want to keep their existing players.

The point was:

The three most important players the Canucks have are a 1C, 1D, and 1G. These players cost 20M this year and 25M or less next year.

The three most important players the Leafs have are a 1C, 1W, and 1W. They cost 29M this year and will cost 36M next year.

Canucks have a more appropriate distribution of talent at over 10M less. Only JT Miller has a NMC clause to work around - he's a center and currently 4th in the league.

We can't compare ourselves to Vancouver and set expectations going forward. They were built very well and have much greater flexibility.

 

[Gabriel426]

Doubt it.

Perhaps a percentage of HF's type fans are losing faith, but that would be a small percentage of actual fans.

Don’t think JT was ever that marketable to begin with.
Willie is just beginning to get more marketing opportunities.
AM will always be AM esp since he is American and all.

 

[Gabriel426]

The point was:

The three most important players the Canucks have are a 1C, 1D, and 1G. These players cost 20M this year and 25M or less next year.

The three most important players the Leafs have are a 1C, 1W, and 1W. They cost 29M this year and will cost 36M next year.

Canucks have a more appropriate distribution of talent at over 10M less. Only JT Miller has a NMC clause to work around - he's a center and currently 4th in the league.

We can't compare ourselves to Vancouver and set expectations going forward. They were built very well and have much greater flexibility.

They just have players that play to their contracts which we don’t.
Don’t think JT showed he is a 11mil player in any games this season. Good player but not 11mil.
AM showed enough but would like him to show up even if he didn’t score.
There were glimpses of MM being a close to 11mil player but that’s too far and few between.
Willie is playing better than his 7mil contract.
Same can be said with Reilly.
TJ and Kling are just bad and not worth 9.25mil. Would rather have Soucy and Myers instead of those two.
Bert, Domi, Kampf and Reaves are horrible for their combine caphit of 12.5mil, while Nucks got Garland, Lafferty, Soup and Joshua making a bit less but producing a lot more.
Demko is more consistent than any of our goalies.

 

[Menzinger]

Leafs added two, Bertuzzi and Domi for cash only.
And of course Reaves.
These 3 forwards have provided 12 goals.

The smartest thing Tre could do right now is try and find a hockey trade for Bert. Get back a D man or top 9 forward who can actually fit in with the core

 

[Gabriel426]

The smartest thing Tre could do right now is try and find a hockey trade for Bert. Get back a D man or top 9 forward who can actually fit in with the core

I think he is doing that and should do the same with Kampf too.
Domi is someone I would keep as his style fits Willie and Robbie better.
Would even trade TJ too.

 

[Menzinger]

I think he is doing that and should do the same with Kampf too.
Domi is someone I would keep as his style fits Willie and Robbie better.
Would even trade TJ too.

I'd be very happy with Bert and Kampf getting switched out for different players. I'd agree with Domi too, I see value in extending him.

I actually like Kampf as a player but it's a complete waste if the team isn't going to build a shutdown line around him.

 

[notdoneyet]

Why trade and give away assets
Sub .900 goaltending is not winning you a round never mind a cup.

All the core four are soft.
Matthews has size plays soft
Marner small is soft
Nylander has size and strength plays soft
Tavares stands in front of the net and takes a beating
But is soft
Reilly is soft


Our defense is too small

 

[Gabriel426]

I'd be very happy with Bert and Kampf getting switched out for different players. I'd agree with Domi too, I see value in extending him.

I actually like Kampf as a player but it's a complete waste if the team isn't going to build a shutdown line around him.

I think Kampf is overprice for a shutdown C on any contending playoffs teams.
As I don’t think their defense will balance out with very minimal offense.
Even with Soup and Engvall on the team and have a shutdown line of those three. I fail to see any teams playing them for 14 mins a night 5v5 on shut down duties against opposing top lines. As that would mean taking 4-5mins of 5v5 time from your top two lines.
Esp a team like the Leafs where it is extremely top heavy.
Kampf should be a 4C and PK specialist and nothing more. Extending him was a mistake esp since Lafferty was on the roster.

 

[pspot]

The smartest thing Tre could do right now is try and find a hockey trade for Bert. Get back a D man or top 9 forward who can actually fit in with the core

I'm on the fence, part of me think they should just trade off expiring for futures, see how the season plays out with guys in the room....other is trade expiring as value for "bad contracts" i.e. something like Bert for Paryako

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm on the fence, part of me think they should just trade off expiring for futures, see how the season plays out with guys in the room....other is trade expiring as value for "bad contracts" i.e. something like Bert for Paryako

If Tre can swing Bert for Paryako, that’s not a bad deal. As they will need two Dmen this off season.
Also, if that happens. Tre can also trade TJ for picks, prospects or players too.

 

[pspot]

If Tre can swing Bert for Paryako, that’s not a bad deal. As they will need two Dmen this off season.
Also, if that happens. Tre can also trade TJ for picks, prospects or players too.

It's potentially a really bad contract, it's a risk for sure but he would add an element at a position this team needs