Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Dekes For Days]

Bertuzzi can actually handle playoff hockey whereas previous depth shrivel up and die.

He picked up some fluky points but actually played pretty poorly in his only playoff appearance.

 

[Dreakmur]

He picked up some fluky points but actually played pretty poorly in his only playoff appearance.

He picked up 10 fluky points in 7 games.

Considering you’re the guy who claims we only lose every year due to bad luck, you’d think you be in favour of adding some good luck guys!

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Laughton + Ristolainen(retained)

Isn’t a terrible add to this team.

Kampf + Liljgren + 1st

Some may think that’s rich, but Laughton will be a playoff type 3C and top PK guy. Risto retained, would be fun to see if he finds his game. Hes a prick

 

[ULF_55]

Considering he’s supposedly an asset faceoff wise, it’s interesting he has the worst percentage of our four centers. Apart from his PK work, guy has been mostly useless this year. Really disappointing, and his line still gave up goals post Reaves out, says a lot too. He isn’t a positive atm.

You have to look into the face-off percentage though.

He takes most of the Short Handed Face-offs, meaning of course the other team has their best players out.

You know he's 80% on the PowerPlay for face-offs?

Minimum 200 face-offs:

 

[Fogelhund]

Out of 69 C's, who have taken 50 or more Faceoffs on the PK, Kampf is 25th.

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Only 17 of 69 are above 50%.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He picked up 10 fluky points in 7 games.
Considering you’re the guy who claims we only lose every year due to bad luck, you’d think you be in favour of adding some good luck guys!

That's not what I claim, and there's no such thing as "good luck guys". Fluking into some points during one 7 game stretch doesn't mean he's going to do it again.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Laughton + Ristolainen(retained)

Isn’t a terrible add to this team.

Kampf + Liljgren + 1st

Some may think that’s rich, but Laughton will be a playoff type 3C and top PK guy. Risto retained, would be fun to see if he finds his game. Hes a prick

I thought we were trying to make the D better? This doesn't do that.

 

[Fogelhund]

He picked up some fluky points but actually played pretty poorly in his only playoff appearance.

His points weren't all fluky... actually, just watched, and some were pretty good....

 

[ULF_55]

His points weren't all fluky... actually, just watched, and some were pretty good....

He did okay.
They didn't make the 2nd. round though.
He was a minus player.

It wasn't like Treliving struck gold with the signing, but if he can do something in the playoffs, for the Leafs, we shouldn't complain.

 

[Fogelhund]

He did okay.
They didn't make the 2nd. round though.
He was a minus player.

It wasn't like Treliving struck gold with the signing, but if he can do something in the playoffs, for the Leafs, we shouldn't complain.

If you really want to break it down, six of his ten points were on the PP... where he just isn't going to get much time at all here.

He hasn't played very well for us at all, just hasn't found chemistry with his linemates.

 

[Dekes For Days]

His points weren't all fluky... actually, just watched, and some were pretty good....

All points fluky? No. Fluky to get the point totals he did? Absolutely. His point totals were fueled by a 100% IPP at 5v5, and standing around in front of the net on a blazing hot PP unit and like quadrupling his normal PP production rate. And that's great and I'll take any goals I can get in the playoffs from any player for any reason, but he also played pretty poorly in that series, and nothing about his production was sustainable. It's not representative of him being some super playoff player, and there's no reason to think the same thing is going to happen again.

 

[Shooter2x]

He picked up some fluky points but actually played pretty poorly in his only playoff appearance.

At this point of the season we're in time will tell mode. I'm betting in favor of Bert

 

[DarkKnight]

How would we ever know, rather than personal speculation?

I watched them play?? Isn't that what every opinion is? I'd add for two of them, they've looked like shit when they've been up, so there is empirical evidence as well. Once again, we're hyping Marlie plugs. They're warm bodies, you aren't winning anything if that's your lineup filler. I just don't think it's a wise strategy to think you can bring these guys in in the cheap and succeed. It's very risky, maybe they surprise.

You have to look into the face-off percentage though.

He takes most of the Short Handed Face-offs, meaning of course the other team has their best players out.

You know he's 80% on the PowerPlay for face-offs?

Minimum 200 face-offs:

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That fair for sure.

 

[Fogelhund]

All points fluky? No. Fluky to get the point totals he did? Absolutely. His point totals were fueled by a 100% IPP at 5v5, and standing around in front of the net on a blazing hot PP unit and like quadrupling his normal PP production rate. And that's great and I'll take any goals I can get in the playoffs from any player for any reason, but he also played pretty poorly in that series, and nothing about his production was sustainable. It's not representative of him being some super playoff player, and there's no reason to think the same thing is going to happen again.

IMO, he was a contributor to those goals being scored, his six points on the PP... Standing in front of the net, scoring good goals, good tips, and good passes...all important skills. He played well on the PP, no doubt about that.

He's not going to be used that way on our team... at least not very much... from that perspective, his production isn't sustainable here.

Did he play great 5v5.... I'd have to go back and attribute whether he was at fault for being a -4, or others were... I mean Bergeron was a -6..... it's a small sample set for certain. I'm not going to review all the games, but if you say he was at fault for much of this fair enough...

I'd say this... to bring in a guy who had been a PP specialist in his success in the playoffs, and not integrate him on the PP is a bit weird, when you are allocating $5.5 mil...

What is more important, is what do we do now? I mean, we've got a small window here, to hope somehow he finds a way to bring some chemistry. They must have hoped he might replace Bunting/Hyman... but, that appears to be a miss... so what now? Can we find a better replacement for cheaper, does he move out... who knows... it just hasn't worked out very well for either party.

 

[ULF_55]

If you really want to break it down, six of his ten points were on the PP... where he just isn't going to get much time at all here.

He hasn't played very well for us at all, just hasn't found chemistry with his linemates.

I have to say that Benoit might be Treliving's best signing?

I watched them play?? Isn't that what every opinion is? I'd add for two of them, they've looked like shit when they've been up, so there is empirical evidence as well. Once again, we're hyping Marlie plugs. They're warm bodies, you aren't winning anything if that's your lineup filler. I just don't think it's a wise strategy to think you can bring these guys in in the cheap and succeed. It's very risky, maybe they surprise.

I've never really seen a single one of them given anything resembling a good opportunity in the NHL, other than players like McMann.

On the one hand we have people complaining about Kampf, and then Marlies get called up to play with ... Kampf or worse centers.

It just seems like the proverbial goalpost shuffling.

Kampf is garbage ... let's put the Marlies with him.

Marlies are garbage ... they don't do anything when they're called up.

None of them are marner, getting their feet wet with a center core of Matthews, Kadri and Bozak.

 

[Fogelhund]

We've had a lot of "garbage" Marlies players, not show much here, or marginal players not show much here, and then go on to success elsewhere. Then we lament their loss.

So quick to judge and throw people out, and then quick to blame we've moved on from players who ended up actually being useful.

 

[ULF_55]

We've had a lot of "garbage" Marlies players, not show much here, or marginal players not show much here, and then go on to success elsewhere. Then we lament their loss.

So quick to judge and throw people out, and then quick to blame we've moved on from players who ended up actually being useful.

Yeah, right now it isn't like the team is loaded with top end players outside the top 6.

Perhaps too soon for someone like Niemela, but not too soon to pull the plug on Giordano?

Giordano can have questionable performances, as can Brodie, but the callups have to be near perfect.

Leafs have proven with the current coach, they will not give time for the prospects to transition, and thus they get their feet under them with another team.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We've had a lot of "garbage" Marlies players, not show much here, or marginal players not show much here, and then go on to success elsewhere. Then we lament their loss.

So quick to judge and throw people out, and then quick to blame we've moved on from players who ended up actually being useful.

It's a big reason I wouldn't want to move on from anyone with Keefe as our coach. Only the "big 4" seem to thrive offensively under Keefe, I want to see what someone else could do.

 

[rumman]

We've had a lot of "garbage" Marlies players, not show much here, or marginal players not show much here, and then go on to success elsewhere. Then we lament their loss.

So quick to judge and throw people out, and then quick to blame we've moved on from players who ended up actually being useful.

Mason Marchment says hi............

Yeah, right now it isn't like the team is loaded with top end players outside the top 6.

Perhaps too soon for someone like Niemela, but not too soon to pull the plug on Giordano?

Giordano can have questionable performances, as can Brodie, but the callups have to be near perfect.

Leafs have proven with the current coach, they will not give time for the prospects to transition, and thus they get their feet under them with another team.

Keefe can't develop talent, among his other many flaws..........

 

[Martin Skoula]

It's a big reason I wouldn't want to move on from anyone with Keefe as our coach. Only the "big 4" seem to thrive offensively under Keefe, I want to see what someone else could do.

Sorry we can’t move on from Keefe for another year or two at least, Tre needs to “keep a bullet in the chamber” for his own personal job security.

Yeah, right now it isn't like the team is loaded with top end players outside the top 6.

Perhaps too soon for someone like Niemela, but not too soon to pull the plug on Giordano?

Giordano can have questionable performances, as can Brodie, but the callups have to be near perfect.

Leafs have proven with the current coach, they will not give time for the prospects to transition, and thus they get their feet under them with another team.

I get bringing D in slowly, they need to learn read the game to be safe enough to play in big minutes. But when we’re talking about the Moore, Holmberg, McMann, Tverberg types, you want violent young men with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove, not experienced broken down 30 year olds that can’t skate or forecheck anymore.

 

[Kiwi]

Domi has 4 goals
Bertuzzi has 6 goals

Domi on pace for 7 goals, with over a minute per game on the PP.

Domi is scoring at half a PPG, or don't we count assists now?
I guess that doesn't fit the narrative your trying to push

Bertuzzi has been bad, but what that has to do with Kampf pacing for about 15 ******* points in an entire season is beyond me

 

[ULF_55]

Sorry we can’t move on from Keefe for another year or two at least, Tre needs to “keep a bullet in the chamber” for his own personal job security.



I get bringing D in slowly, they need to learn read the game to be safe enough to play in big minutes. But when we’re talking about the Moore, Holmberg, McMann, Tverberg types, you want violent young men with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove, not experienced broken down 30 year olds that can’t skate or forecheck anymore.

Like Chicago found out, sometimes there are accidents when playing with guns.

 

[Dreakmur]

That's not what I claim, and there's no such thing as "good luck guys". Fluking into some points during one 7 game stretch doesn't mean he's going to do it again.

So if the leafs flukes into a series win, what does that mean?

 

[Hellcat]

I am more so curious about the goalie conundrum when Woll is finally able to play. I am assuming we are going to be carrying 3 goalies forward or Jones go on the waivers?

I thought where Jones was called up to replace an injured player he could go down with out having to pass through waivers?

 

[ULF_55]

Domi is scoring at half a PPG, or don't we count assists now?
I guess that doesn't fit the narrative your trying to push

Bertuzzi has been bad, but what that has to do with Kampf pacing for about 15 ******* points in an entire season is beyond me

Someone mentioned "scoring".

Scoring is not assisting, one goal "scored" multiple assists available.

Certainly, Domi has more assists.

Scoring per 60:
Domi is only ahead of Minten.