Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Commander Clueless]

Asking a 2.4 million dollar C to shutdown top lines with barely NHL wings is not reasonable, and yet you could argue he's almost/barely getting the job done.

If you're looking for an area to improve on the cheap, IMO this is it. Find Kampf at least one actual shutdown winger who can PK. Maybe two if you don't think Holmberg can be one of them.

That and a bottom pair upgrade on Timmins.... Preferably one that can also PK. Clearing the crease would be helpful too.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yep, someone younger with a good pro frame who can be put into a bottom six role and grow their career, contribute and come in at a cheap price.

Even if we had Geekie, Kampf would be very useful. Domi is who would be relocated.

 

[TMLAM34]

Even if we had Geekie, Kampf would be very useful. Domi is who would be relocated.

As nice as it is to see Domi written on the back of a jersey and making Max’s dream come true, I don’t see a real fit here moving forward. He’s a defensive liability wherever he plays in the lineup unfortunately.

 

[arso40]

If you're looking for an area to improve on the cheap, IMO this is it. Find Kampf at least one actual shutdown winger who can PK. Maybe two if you don't think Holmberg can be one of them.

That and a bottom pair upgrade on Timmins.... Preferably one that can also PK. Clearing the crease would be helpful too.

Or just play timmins period so you can see if he can learn how to play for us can be much worst than what gio got going on

 

[Kiwi]

Even if we had Geekie, Kampf would be very useful. Domi is who would be relocated.

As nice as it is to see Domi written on the back of a jersey and making Max’s dream come true, I don’t see a real fit here moving forward. He’s a defensive liability wherever he plays in the lineup unfortunately.

Moree than 4-5 guys on the team need to provide some offense, who's scoring in the bottom 6 now?

 

[Gallagbi]

They will probably try to carry 3 goaltenders until they can't anymore. But if they have to make a roster move, I'd expect Jones to go on waivers.

I wonder if they can hold out for a few weeks and flip him for a mid round pick at the TDL

 

[Fogelhund]

As nice as it is to see Domi written on the back of a jersey and making Max’s dream come true, I don’t see a real fit here moving forward. He’s a defensive liability wherever he plays in the lineup unfortunately.

You make it sound like he's a disaster, which just isn't the case. Why do you believe he is a defensive liability who is so bad he needs to be purged?

 

[Dreakmur]

Moree than 4-5 guys on the team need to provide some offense, who's scoring in the bottom 6 now?

That’s on 4-5 guys, not just Kampf.

 

[JEI]

Dowd would have been a good get for the defensive bottom-six but the rumored price will take us out of that.

Think Carrier from Nashville may be the best defensive target available for our needs.

 

[Menzinger]

You make it sound like he's a disaster, which just isn't the case. Why do you believe he is a defensive liability who is so bad he needs to be purged?

His underlying numbers are pretty good in that regard too.

I'd be fine with an extension at this rate, especially if he's fine with a aav not much higher than his current level

 

[Fogelhund]

His underlying numbers are pretty good in that regard too.

I'd be fine with an extension at this rate, especially if he's fine with a aav not much higher than his current level

I'd tend to agree... and he's just finding some chemistry with Robertson. If Domi can continue to find Robertson for goals.... it could be some very useful depth scoring.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Flyers seem like good partners if we do something, all below seem to be in play.

Frost - could play 2C and slide JT to wing while still taking draws
Laughton - proper 3C who could create a nice line with Bert/Knies and Jarnkrok
Walker - flex LD/RD to slide beside any of McCabe, Rielly or Brodie
Risto - with retention, RD with McCabe or Benoit
Seeler - RD with Benoit, though they seem keen to resign him

 

[Kiwi]

That’s on 4-5 guys, not just Kampf.

You seem to be under the impression that Kampf has the ability to score

I don't expect guys to score with one of the worst offensive centers in the entire league, tough ask with a boat anchor attached to you

 

[ULF_55]

Moree than 4-5 guys on the team need to provide some offense, who's scoring in the bottom 6 now?

 

[LeafEgo]

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It looks like we're trending toward only four 20 goal scorers at years end. Brutal.

How much responsibility does Keefe have for this, cause Berube squeezed out nine 20 goal scorers two years back.

 

[Dreakmur]

You seem to be under the impression that Kampf has the ability to score

I don't expect guys to score with one of the worst offensive centers in the entire league, tough ask with a boat anchor attached to you

He’s not there to score. He’s there to defend, and he’s very good at that. He needs to play with other good defensive forwards to be fully effective.

 

[ULF_55]

It looks like we're trending toward only four 20 goal scorers at years end. Brutal.

How much responsibility does Keefe have for this, cause Berube squeezed out nine 20 goal scorers two years back.

And we have people complaining about Kampf, who has never been about offense, when he's scored as many goals as Domi and 2 less than Bertuzzi.

Certainly, playing in the top 6 gets you assists but who is scoring on Kampf's line to gift him assists?

 

[Buds17]

It looks like we're trending toward only four 20 goal scorers at years end. Brutal.

How much responsibility does Keefe have for this, cause Berube squeezed out nine 20 goal scorers two years back.

It seems fair for Keefe to wear some of it. A returning player like Jarnkrok was certainly a bit more productive in his first season with the team. What probably stands out most though is/was having both Robertson and Holmberg as scratches during a season in which they have more or less looked effective enough to be lineup fixtures in some capacity.

 

[Kiwi]

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Holy ****, 8 points in 46 games

No wonder secondary scoring is a bit sketchy, you better defend like Bergeron if your going to produce like that

And we have people complaining about Kampf, who has never been about offense, when he's scored as many goals as Domi and 2 less than Bertuzzi.

Certainly, playing in the top 6 gets you assists but who is scoring on Kampf's line to gift him assists?

Domi has 24 points in 47 games, that's half a PPG with minimal PP and ice time

Bertuzzi has sucked, does that magically make Kampf suck less to?

Nobody scores with Kampf because Kampf can't score and he never has done, including his time in Chicago

He’s not there to score. He’s there to defend, and he’s very good at that. He needs to play with other good defensive forwards to be fully

He isn't good at that, he hasn't been since Engvall left

So now we're going to sink even more resource into propping Kampf up?

We can't afford this

 

[Dreakmur]

He isn't good at that, he hasn't been since Engvall left

So now we're going to sink even more resource into propping Kampf up?

We can't afford this

He absolutely is good at defending - that’s indisputable at this point. The problem is that one guy can’t defend alone.

We don’t need to spend anything. We have the guys to create an effective shutdown line, but Sheldon Keefe keeps eating crayons.

 

[Kiwi]

He absolutely is good at defending - that’s indisputable at this point. The problem is that one guy can’t defend alone.

We don’t need to spend anything. We have the guys to create an effective shutdown line, but Sheldon Keefe keeps eating crayons.

Our bottom 6 needs to be full of guys on league min or ECL'S, we can't afford to stack the 4th line for Kampf to succeed

We don't, we need guys like Jarnkrok to plug holes further up the lineup

 

[Dreakmur]

Our bottom 6 needs to be full of guys on league min or ECL'S, we can't afford to stack the 4th line for Kampf to succeed

We don't, we need guys like Jarnkrok to plug holes further up the lineup

Seems like the real solution is to better distribute our resources and stop trying to twist ourselves into pretzels in an attempt to keep 4 guys who who can’t carry their weight in the playoffs.

Nah, lets keep pretending guys like David Kampf are the problem…

 

[Martin Skoula]

Seems like the real solution is to better distribute our resources and stop trying to twist ourselves into pretzels in an attempt to keep 4 guys who who can’t carry their weight in the playoffs.

Nah, lets keep pretending guys like David Kampf are the problem…

Kampf has a higher cap hit than Boston and Colorado’s entire 4th lines lol. Somehow I don’t think the amount we’re paying bottom 6ers is the problem.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Kampf has a higher cap hit than Boston and Colorado’s entire 4th lines lol. Somehow I don’t think the amount we’re paying bottom 6ers is the problem.

It is when they aren't producing on either side of the puck. Those teams either have guys contributing offense, or have guys that are really solid defensively in their bottom 6.

We don't need much from the bottom 6, but having a few more guys who could chip in like Robertson or Holmberg wouldn't hurt and redistributing the $4M we're paying Kampf/Reaves to guys that would actually help us would be beneficial.

 

[Dreakmur]

Kampf has a higher cap hit than Boston and Colorado’s entire 4th lines lol. Somehow I don’t think the amount we’re paying bottom 6ers is the problem.

Kampf isn’t a 4th liner, so it’s disingenuous to compare his salary to 4th liners.