Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[ULF_55]

Because he stinks?
He’s a 4th liner and not even a good one at that. Also our PK is terrible.
2.4M for a 4th liner IS crippling on this team

Just because moving Kampf doesn’t immediate make us a winner doesn’t mean we should keep him…

Don't throw away assets for no gain.

 

[Sypher04]

Don't throw away assets for no gain.

I’m not advocating throwing away for no gain…

We’d be gaining cap space, for this year and 3 more going forward.

And obviously you’d have to get someone to fill the role. Ideally someone who is I don’t know, actually good at it.

 

[Kiwi]

Why bother moving him?

He's a 3rd. liner who plays the most PK time.

2.4mm isn't crippling at all.

If someone wants to trade for him and offer value sure, but this team isn't Kampf away from winning squat.

He's a 4th liner who can't provide offence so bull**** he's a 3rd liner

He also gets curb stomped defensively if he doesn't have Engvall to lean on

We don't have the luxury of carrying overpaid bad bottom 6 forwards, we dont have enough cap space to waste any on him

 

[Kiwi]

Don't throw away assets for no gain.

Unbelievable, if he isn't living up to his contract he isn't a asset

An asset has value, Kampf is not only worth nothing he's going to cost us assets just to get rid of him

 

[jaric1862]

I'm a little surpised Rutta's name hasn't been in here at all

 

[Dreakmur]

Unbelievable, if he isn't living up to his contract he isn't a asset

An asset has value, Kampf is not only worth nothing he's going to cost us assets just to get rid of him

He’s had a rough couple of months, but it doesn’t help that Keefe has no idea how to deploy him. You can’t anchor him with the worst linemates and the toughest assignments. Who the hell can succeed in those circumstances?

 

[TMLAM34]

He’s had a rough couple of months, but it doesn’t help that Keefe has no idea how to deploy him. You can’t anchor him with the worst linemates and the toughest assignments. Who the hell can succeed in those circumstances?

Agreed. Kampf has been playing with Gregor, McMann and Reaves. What kind of line can you put together for what usage with those line mates? Kampf looked the best playing with Engvall and Mikheyev. I’d like to see Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg for a little stretch and used as a defensive shutdown line.

 

[4thline]

He also gets curb stomped defensively if he doesn't have Engvall to lean on

the list of sub 3m c's that can thrive in shutdown minutes with a non defensive pto and a tweener ahler is not long.

 

[Dreakmur]

Agreed. Kampf has been playing with Gregor, McMann and Reaves. What kind of line can you put together for what usage with those line mates? Kampf looked the best playing with Engvall and Mikheyev. I’d like to see Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg for a little stretch and used as a defensive shutdown line.

Exactly. If you’re going to deploy Kampf as a shutdown center, you have to understand that means he isn’t a 4th liner, and assemble the roster accordingly.

 

[TMLAM34]

Exactly. If you’re going to deploy Kampf as a shutdown center, you have to understand that means he isn’t a 4th liner, and assemble the roster accordingly.

The bottom six as it currently stands is

Robertson - Domi - Jarnkrok
Gregor - Kampf - McMann/Reaves/Holmberg

IMO it should be

Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Robertson - Domi - McMann

 

[TheShape]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume there's a plethora of 4C's on the UFA market who can do what Kampf does for us at half the cost. David Kampf at 1.3m or whatever isn't a problem, double his cap hit and all of a sudden he sticks out like a sore thumb. It was a terrible, terrible extension by Tre, should've been an easy call to let the player walk.

 

[Judas Tavares]

It's too bad about Kampf. That first season here was great. Something this team had been looking for since Jay McLement (with multiple attempts like bringing in an aging Boyle and the corpse of Plekanec) . You have that version of Kampf against Boston in 2019 we probably win the series instead of Bergeron vs. Hyman on the faceoff on the PK.

But then last year's Kampf took a step back. Not horrible, but not what he was. Then this year... Very disappointing.

 

[ULF_55]

He's a 4th liner who can't provide offence so bull**** he's a 3rd liner

He also gets curb stomped defensively if he doesn't have Engvall to lean on

We don't have the luxury of carrying overpaid bad bottom 6 forwards, we dont have enough cap space to waste any on him

For forwards:

He gets 9th. most ES TOI/g.

We might not like it but he's getting 3rd. line minutes at even strength, and most SH TOI/g.

 

[Buds17]

The bottom six as it currently stands is

Robertson - Domi - Jarnkrok
Gregor - Kampf - McMann/Reaves/Holmberg

IMO it should be

Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Robertson - Domi - McMann

The offensive contributions of Domi and Robertson might be too limited in a fourth line role (although the TOI between the two lines could be made to be fairly close). I'd probably opt for:

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok
Gregor/McMann-Kampf-Holmberg

Unfortunately, injuries...

 

[TMLAM34]

The offensive contributions of Domi and Robertson might be too limited in a fourth line role (although the TOI between the two lines could be made to be fairly close). I'd probably opt for:

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok
Gregor/McMann-Kampf-Holmberg

Unfortunately, injuries...

Outside of Jarnkrok, all those player ice times are fairly close anyways. Nothing really changes outside of linemates and line usage. Third line is more defensive and puts everyone’s strengths together. Fourth line has two shooters with a pure playmaker in between them hopefully causing mismatches given their offensive skill set and skating ability compared to other fourth lines.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Robertson - Domi - McMann

I think that would be our best forward line combinations.

Need to focus on improving the blueline. I’d target Samuelsson.

 

[LeafChief]

Outside of Jarnkrok, all those player ice times are fairly close anyways. Nothing really changes outside of linemates and line usage. Third line is more defensive and puts everyone’s strengths together. Fourth line has two shooters with a pure playmaker in between them hopefully causing mismatches given their offensive skill set and skating ability compared to other fourth lines.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Robertson - Domi - McMann

I think that would be our best forward line combinations.

Need to focus on improving the blueline. I’d target Samuelsson.

Perry would have been a nice add in that McMann spot.

When all is said and done, I hope only one of Holmberg, McMann or Robertson are playing regularly in the playoffs. Need to add some functional grit in that bottom 6. Acciari was great last year. Maybe Bjustad is someone that they look at with some size at centre (push Domi to the wing).

I saw someone mention Bjustad and Dumba earlier in the thread. Would be a low end cost move that could add some depth and grit.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume there's a plethora of 4C's on the UFA market who can do what Kampf does for us at half the cost. David Kampf at 1.3m or whatever isn't a problem, double his cap hit and all of a sudden he sticks out like a sore thumb. It was a terrible, terrible extension by Tre, should've been an easy call to let the player walk.

You can go on that limb, but you’d be dead wrong.

 

[notdoneyet]

Leafs are looking for a third line that can give secondary scoring when the top six falters. Kamp is not good enough offensively to play on a third line for secondary scoring.
Leafs want a crash and bang fourth line and kampf isn’t built for that.
He doesn’t have a role on this team now.
Time to try to package him for something

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs are looking for a third line that can give secondary scoring when the top six falters. Kamp is not good enough offensively to play on a third line for secondary scoring.
Leafs want a crash and bang fourth line and kampf isn’t built for that.
He doesn’t have a role on this team now.
Time to try to package him for something

The rules for Kampf apply to all the other players.

If a good deal can be made to upgrade the team, and it fits with the direction of the team, trade away.

 

[Buds17]

Outside of Jarnkrok, all those player ice times are fairly close anyways. Nothing really changes outside of linemates and line usage. Third line is more defensive and puts everyone’s strengths together. Fourth line has two shooters with a pure playmaker in between them hopefully causing mismatches given their offensive skill set and skating ability compared to other fourth lines.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg
Robertson - Domi - McMann

I think that would be our best forward line combinations.

Need to focus on improving the blueline. I’d target Samuelsson.

He's in the first year of a seven year pact. Can't imagine Buffalo trades him.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Leafs should look into trading Marner for Keller. Marner is going to be renegotiating his contract soon and will likely be looking for around 12-12.5M. Keller only makes 7.15M for 4 more years. 5M in cap savings there could go a real long way to building a stanley cup defense

 

[SprDaVE]

Leafs should look into trading Marner for Keller. Marner is going to be renegotiating his contract soon and will likely be looking for around 12-12.5M. Keller only makes 7.15M for 4 more years. 5M in cap savings there could go a real long way to building a stanley cup defense

That's great but Marner accepting to be traded to Arizona of all teams is not gonna happen, and I think Arizona is more than happy with Keller as well.

 

[Sypher04]

Kampf has been bad for well more than a couple months, both offensively and defensively. I don’t blame him entirely for it, but it is where we find ourselves. IF we can acquire players that bring quality play out of him again then great, but even still he’d be overpaid by a fairly significant amount. This team doesn’t have the luxury of being able to overpay bottom 6 forwards.

 

[rumman]

Leafs should look into trading Marner for Keller. Marner is going to be renegotiating his contract soon and will likely be looking for around 12-12.5M. Keller only makes 7.15M for 4 more years. 5M in cap savings there could go a real long way to building a stanley cup defense

Never happen, if there’s one player I want from the Yotes it’s Lawson Crouse……..

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

That's great but Marner accepting to be traded to Arizona of all teams is not gonna happen, and I think Arizona is more than happy with Keller as well.

That's fair. Yeah I guess I didn't think about the nmc lol