Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

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WTFMAN99

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Benoit is worth more than Lilly imo, no way their salaries will be that far apart imo..........


I like watching teams earn the cup regardless of the city..........

Benoit posted up 2 pts to this point.

Liljegren does play more (4-5 mins more per game, that's pretty big) and has been more productive.

Plus Liljegren for 4 years is definitely going to earn more than Benoit on a 2 year term.

You could probably go quite a bit cheaper on Liljegren for a 2 year deal.
 
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Benoit posted up 2 pts to this point.

Liljegren does play more (4-5 mins more per game, that's pretty big) and has been more productive.

Plus Liljegren for 4 years is definitely going to earn more than Benoit on a 2 year term.

You could probably go quite a bit cheaper on Liljegren for a 2 year deal.
What the hell is he talking about now

Benoit is worth more than Lilly imo, no way their salaries will be that far apart imo..........


I like watching teams earn the cup regardless of the city..........
Why the hell would he be worth more than lily what kinda take is that my friend you live life on the wild side huh
 
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What the hell is he talking about now

Runman?

Basically saying that Liljegren in my mock GM scenario on the previous page wouldn't earn as much as he is over Benoit but failed to take into account that it's a 2 year versus 4 year term.
 
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I don't know if Silfverberg will sign for 1 year 1M and I don't know if Vincent Deshairnais would sign for 1 year 850k

I'd be willing to go for a guy like Stolarz if they came in a bit less to make room for Silfverberg or something though as he's a good penalty killer.
The destinations you've sent players are off. Reeves is just going to have to be buried or bought out, I can't really see a team taking him. Kampf to Nashville seems like it would make sense, but as long as they have ROR and Sissons, it seems like overkill on defensive specialists.

I don't mind Kostin, but a $2m player on the 4th line isn't the best use of the cap; he needs to play higher or just get another Marlie like Tverberg. An experienced LW for the top 6/9 would still be needed.

Weegar or Roy, not both. Too much money is locked up for guys in their 30s. IMO

Don't want Wennberg, and yeah, there's no way Deharnais is taking that. It wouldn't surprise me to see him with a Holl-type contract.

Blueger, I like as 3c, not a 4th. It's just the same issue as Kampf now.


My little gripes FWIW, however, I could still see a few things happening here.
 

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The destinations you've sent players are off. Reeves is just going to have to be buried or bought out, I can't really see a team taking him. Kampf to Nashville seems like it would make sense, but as long as they have ROR and Sissons, it seems like overkill on defensive specialists.

I don't mind Kostin, but a $2m player on the 4th line isn't the best use of the cap; he needs to play higher or just get another Marlie like Tverberg. An experienced LW for the top 6/9 would still be needed.

Weegar or Roy, not both. Too much money is locked up for guys in their 30s. IMO

Don't want Wennberg, and yeah, there's no way Deharnais is taking that. It wouldn't surprise me to see him with a Holl-type contract.

Blueger, I like as 3c, not a 4th. It's just the same issue as Kampf now.


My little gripes FWIW, however, I could still see a few things happening here.

I appreciate the feedback - I will try to address the thought process etc with it.

Reaves - Chicago is flush with cap space so getting additional assets, even if they end up burying Reaves is likely fine with them. They may also want him around for the New Jersey match up next year.

Kampf to Nashville would probably be okay, they're also fine for cash, McCarron is playing 4C right now for them...ROR while a good defensively guy, may do better with a few less defensive zone starts. He's their primary offensive driver at centre so better to keep him fresh. They also have 3 4ths this year so if you were to acquire the 2024 4th from EDM, it's basically a 5th.

Kostin is decently physical and can throw some fists alright too. He might be an expensive luxury and would probably be one of the first moves I would consider axing.

Roy is currently 28 so going 4-5 years on him doesn't concern me all that much. Weegar is 30 and yea, probably the last 2 years of that deal will suck but without a doubt you've solidified the defense.

RE: Wennberg, he's a good centre on a mediocre team, Kiwi actually brought to my attention him and Nylander did play together and did well, they crushed the world championships. Pretty good at both ends of the ice and centres are hard to find. If you could get him for a couple of years at 4M, it's not a bad commitment and at worst, you've got a useful 3C after JT leaves.

If Deshairnais were to ink that deal, you'd definitely have to try to find something different, no big deal.

I think Blueger could play 3 or 4C - I know right now he's 3C in Vancouver but if you're deep enough to get him at 4C, you're deep up the middle.
 
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Roy is currently 28 so going 4-5 years on him doesn't concern me all that much. Weegar is 30 and yea, probably the last 2 years of that deal will suck but without a doubt you've solidified the defense.

He will be 29 by the season starts; you can see him probably him aging, as Brodie has. But another concern is, as well as Pesce, if they go after him, how high to you go in terms of AAV for them? Could they get near $6m? Possibly.

That's why I lean towards addressing the RD issue via trade for someone younger.

Kampf to Nashville would probably be okay, they're also fine for cash, McCarron is playing 4C right now for them...ROR while a good defensively guy, may do better with a few less defensive zone starts. He's their primary offensive driver at centre so better to keep him fresh. They also have 3 4ths this year so if you were to acquire the 2024 4th from EDM, it's basically a 5th.

I see what you're saying, but they're going to need to re-sign Novak, as well as add another top 6/9 forward on top of that. Having a 2.4m 4th center on a fairly strict budget team?, I'm not sure. If they move Sissons for whatever reason, then I'd agree.

I think Blueger could play 3 or 4C - I know right now he's 3C in Vancouver but if you're deep enough to get him at 4C, you're deep up the middle.
Yep, I like him as well, but I just feel if he's 4th, it's a similar cap crunch issue as Kampf. He's better offensively than Kampf, and better defensively than Domi, so the fit is there.
 
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He will be 29 by the season starts; you can see him probably him aging, as Brodie has. But another concern is, as well as Pesce, if they go after him, how high to you go in terms of AAV for them? Could they get near $6m? Possibly.

That's why I lean towards addressing the RD issue via trade for someone younger.



I see what you're saying, but they're going to need to re-sign Novak, as well as add another top 6/9 forward on top of that. Having a 2.4m 4th center on a fairly strict budget team?, I'm not sure. If they move Sissons for whatever reason, then I'd agree.


Yep, I like him as well, but I just feel if he's 4th, it's a similar cap crunch issue as Kampf. He's better offensively than Kampf, and better defensively than Domi, so the fit is there.

I feel like with Roy you do something similar to the Brodie deal but add some for inflation. 5.5M x 4 years is probably the ideal landing spot.

I'd like to grab someone younger like Korczak too but not sure how easy it would be to get them.

Sissons can play all 3 forward positions but usually C/RW so if he moved to RW in the top 9, no big deal for them I would think. Unsure if Novak will re-sign there, I guess TDL would be the time we find out as he's a pending UFA.

Yea, I think for 2M, even though 4th line, you'd get better bang for your buck than Kampf. I feel like Kampf hasn't done is expected of him this year at all.
 
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Kampf to Chicago may make sense. He was well regarded there. They probably would like some goog characters there while they rebuild.
 
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Kampf to Chicago may make sense. He was well regarded there. They probably would like some goog characters there while they rebuild.

If they didn't re-sign Dickinson, I would have said that's a good landing spot. Dickinson is having career high production but not a big time offensive guy so having Kampf and Dickinson in the bottom 6 doesn't bode well for depth scoring.
 
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Kampf for Peeke

Contracts are close, both guys are overpaid, Columbus lack centers we lack RD

Straight up change of scenery trade that fill areas of need for both teams
Makes sense for both sides. Kampf has a MNTC though and I’m not sure what the conditions are on that.
 
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Kampf for Peeke

Contracts are close, both guys are overpaid, Columbus lack centers we lack RD

Straight up change of scenery trade that fill areas of need for both teams

We don’t have enough centre depth as it is. We would really need to add a defensive centre to fill the hole.
 
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We don’t have enough centre depth as it is. We would really need to add a defensive centre to fill the hole.
Make it a bigger deal,

To Toronto: Cole Sillinger + Andrew Peeke
To Columbus: Nick Robertson + David Kampf ++
 

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An interesting name would be Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo. Think he fits exactly what we need (minus being a lefty) and is definitely a Treliving type defenceman. He’s someone I wouldn’t mind spending a 1st round draft pick ++ for given his age and contract.

Rielly - Brodie
Samuelsson - Liljegren
Benoit - McCabe

Between Samuelsson, McCabe and Benoit, that bottom four group is very physical and can stand up to anyone in the league.

Then in the off-season, look for a proper Brodie replacement for Rielly.
 

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I think Treliving will try for a Dumba + Bjugstad package. Should be cheaper to acquire than Tanev

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Dumba
Benoit - Liljegren
 
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Kampf is a pure salary dump at this point. He has no individual value. Would take a sweetener to unload his deal imo. He’s overpaid by probably at least a million and he does nothing well.

Even IF we can bring in players to play with him and correct the prolonged, and significant downturn in his play, he would still not be worth remotely close to the money we are paying him.
 
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Kampf is a pure salary dump at this point. He has no individual value. Would take a sweetener to unload his deal. He’s overpaid by probably at least a million and he does nothing well.

Even IF we can bring in players to play with him and correct the prolonged, and significant downturn in his play, he would still not be worth remotely close to the money we are paying him.

Why bother moving him?

He's a 3rd. liner who plays the most PK time.

2.4mm isn't crippling at all.

If someone wants to trade for him and offer value sure, but this team isn't Kampf away from winning squat.
 

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Why bother moving him?

He's a 3rd. liner who plays the most PK time.

2.4mm isn't crippling at all.

If someone wants to trade for him and offer value sure, but this team isn't Kampf away from winning squat.

Because he stinks?
He’s a 4th liner and not even a good one at that. Also our PK is terrible.
2.4M for a 4th liner IS crippling on this team

Just because moving Kampf doesn’t immediate make us a winner doesn’t mean we should keep him…
 
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If Kampf could find his game again sure, but he’s been bad for basically a year now.
 

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Kampf is a pure salary dump at this point. He has no individual value. Would take a sweetener to unload his deal imo. He’s overpaid by probably at least a million and he does nothing well.

Even IF we can bring in players to play with him and correct the prolonged, and significant downturn in his play, he would still not be worth remotely close to the money we are paying him.
I think he'd have some trade value if we're willing to take salary back/make a hockey trade out of it. The proposal of Kampf for Peeke is one idea (Kampf's contract runs a bit longer but is slightly cheaper on AAV). Of course, that trade would remove centre and forward (current injuries) depth from the team.

I certainly didn't mind Kampf over the past couple of seasons here (defensively capable w/some offence) but obviously would've preferred this contract to have been along the lines of 2M x 3 instead (can't imagine he'd have signed for much less than that).
 
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