Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Gabriel426]

Saros+Tomasino+Fabbro would be a perfect package.

Knies+Samsonov+2024 1st+whatever else

Saros would be far and away the best goalie we’ve had in over a decade. Run a Saros/Woll duo. Extra year on Saros contract, buys Woll some time to solidify being a legit 1G and show he can stay healthy. Can look to extend Saros.

Tomasino is a skilled but defensively responsible player who can play all 3 F positions ala Jarnkrok. He’s getting the Robertson treatment so may be a good buy low opportunity.

Fabbro just has the mould of a player who could really thrive beside Mo. Like Tomasino he’s also been scratched and misused. Both BC boys, Fabbro is fairly young still with upside, decent all around defender.

Rumours are the Preds want a core youth piece in the deal, Knies could potentially be that. Maybe Samsonov turns it around and acts as a mentor for Askarov. If not, they can let him walk. They get a potential 20ish range 1st rounder & whatever else is needed (additional picks/prospects).

Maybe just MM and TJ for Saros and Josi

Now that 34 and 88 are signed long term, I am not sure this is the year the Leafs should do anything drastic. Trade bit parts, but unless they can get a young D who can fill a role for years to come, the 1st should be off the table. Limp into the play-offs and hope you get hot or a few bounces.

Hated watching Zadorov on Saturday night. Just couldn't help but think he would have been a perfect fit on this team especially given the price paid.

We have Benoit for that role.
Z is not taking TJ’s role.
We actually need someone to play with Reilly and let everyone drop a spot and it would be solid.

 

[jaric1862]

if we end up shopping in the bargain bin, who would you rather Dumba or Lyubushkin?

 

[Stephen]

Maybe just MM and TJ for Saros and Josi


We have Benoit for that role.
Z is not taking TJ’s role.
We actually need someone to play with Reilly and let everyone drop a spot and it would be solid.

I wouldn’t mind having another butcher out there to play with Benny. Then have McCabe who is a bit of a junkyard dog. Then three puck mover capable guys in Rielly, Liljegren and the Incoming Saviour. Incoming Saviour is going to be your long body, do it all workhorse.

 

[pspot]

IMO nylander was the piece you moved for Saros. Don't see having the assets now

 

[WTFMAN99]

IMO nylander was the piece you moved for Saros. Don't see having the assets now

Historically has a starting goalie, even as good as Saros is, pulled a piece like Nylander?

I feel like if the window is going to open at all in regards to a Saros trade, LAK or NJD will win that bidding war.

 

[mydnyte]

IMO nylander was the piece you moved for Saros. Don't see having the assets now

You misspelled Josi ...but, even Josi is too old to offer Nylander on his own.
Soros is a good 'small' goalie who has lost every playoff series he's played in, while in front of one of the best defenses in the league. ...with the Leafs defense in front of him, you'll be asking for Samsonov back.

 

[Fogelhund]

if we end up shopping in the bargain bin, who would you rather Dumba or Lyubushkin?

That's like asking, would you prefer to be punched, or kicked in the balls.

I don't think I'd go shopping at all, for someone who might be our 9th best D.

 

[uncleben]

I wouldn’t mind having another butcher out there to play with Benny. Then have McCabe who is a bit of a junkyard dog. Then three puck mover capable guys in Rielly, Liljegren and the Incoming Saviour. Incoming Saviour is going to be your long body, do it all workhorse.

I’m sure Will Butcher is available for pretty cheap!

 

[Buds17]

if we end up shopping in the bargain bin, who would you rather Dumba or Lyubushkin?

Lyubushkin - I've never been too big on sequels when considering how many players are in the league.

Dumba - Comparatively and overly expensive for the bargain bin.

Realistically, neither looks to be bumping anyone from the current lineup.

 

[Gabriel426]

I wouldn’t mind having another butcher out there to play with Benny. Then have McCabe who is a bit of a junkyard dog. Then three puck mover capable guys in Rielly, Liljegren and the Incoming Saviour. Incoming Saviour is going to be your long body, do it all workhorse.

Don’t think Makar is available.
Leafs should had pulled the Sundin for Clark type trade a few years ago with either MM or Willie or both.
A bit too late now

 

[Stephen]

I’m sure Will Butcher is available for pretty cheap!

I’m thinking Garth Butcher!

 

[Gabriel426]

Maybe they should just get Q, Toews and Keith as the new coaching trio

 

[Menzinger]

One thing that hurts the prospect pool is trading for win-now players, which most contenders do.

And dealing picks for playoff runs, again part of the win-now scenario.

Is it worse or better than other teams ... all one has to do is go to Hockeydb and compare team by team results.

Montreal Canadiens Draft History at hockeydb.com

Ottawa Senators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Detroit Red Wings Draft History at hockeydb.com

Vancouver Canucks Draft History at hockeydb.com

Colorado Avalanche Draft History at hockeydb.com

...
Check out how many players have more than a season of NHL hockey since 2018, and how many outside the 1st. round have a season of NHL hockey.

There just need to be patience.

Just looking at one team is meaningless. You have to compare against all and see where you're at.

The problem imo is that Nylander/Marner's rapid rise really gave a disproportionate understanding of the development timeline for prospects.

Most picks in that 2nd-7th round will take anywhere from 3-5ish years until they're consistently ready for the NHL as a rookie

Zach Hyman didn't play a game in the NHL until he was 23 and wasn't ready for a full season until he was 24

 

[Legion34]

Except your timeline expectations are completely out to lunch.

Durzi, Sandin, Engvall, Grundstrom, Dermott, Verhaeghe, Johnsson, Brown, Leivo all ended up with over 100 games.

Leivo, nothing special, but wasn't really a full time NHL guy until 6-7 years post draft.
Brown was four years
Johnsson was four years
Verhaeghe was six years
Engvall was five years
Dermott, an early second rounder was two years.
Grundstrom was four years.

So most of our better picks, that turned into NHL players of over 100 games, took between 4-6 years to make it to the show, and you are looking at a period that is 5 years ago to present, and somehow expecting they would have made it... that's just not how it works..

All of these are basically replacement level players who are in and out of NHL line up’s.

Brown level players (pre injury) are

Except your timeline expectations are completely out to lunch.

Durzi, Sandin, Engvall, Grundstrom, Dermott, Verhaeghe, Johnsson, Brown, Leivo all ended up with over 100 games.

Leivo, nothing special, but wasn't really a full time NHL guy until 6-7 years post draft.
Brown was four years
Johnsson was four years
Verhaeghe was six years
Engvall was five years
Dermott, an early second rounder was two years.
Grundstrom was four years.

So most of our better picks, that turned into NHL players of over 100 games, took between 4-6 years to make it to the show, and you are looking at a period that is 5 years ago to present, and somehow expecting they would have made it... that's just not how it works..

From NHL.com

There were 180 players from the 2018 draft or later on opening day rosters this year.

That is an average of 3.6 per team.

We had 1. Robbie is up and down

34% of the league are born in 1998 or earlier. That’s 240 players and 7.5 per team.

We have 4. Robbie holmberg knies. Lilly.

Lots of teams are getting more contributions from ELC than us

Dubas traded too much of the future for the results we got. It’s true.

We can think he did well with the picks he had. We can hope we have some gems.

But we don’t know that.

That poster always claims that he knows. When we don’t.

Robbie Lilly dermott sandin. Mango didn’t go as planned.


We can hope this group does. But right now the results speak for themselves.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Brandon Tanev
Adam Larsson
Will Borgen

To Seattle-
Pontus Holmberg
Calle Jarnkrok
TJ Brodie
Mikko Kokkeknen
1st Round Pick

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Domi-Tanev
Gregor-Kampf-McMann

Rielly-Larsson
McCabe-Liljegren
Benoit-Borgen

 

[Magic Man]

Lube or Dumba would be wise selections. They provide some physical play, they are options for the PK and they can move up and down the lineup. Lube has some familiarity within the organization. Dumba was an option this summer instead of Klingberg for similar money, it's a cheap way to fix that mistake.

They can probably score a 3rd or 4th at the deadline. A defenseman does need to be added at the very least if they plan to do something at the deadline. There aren't many 2nds left, they're down a future 1st. They have had a couple light drafts. I don't mind staying in the bargain bin this year.

 

[arso40]

To Toronto-
Brandon Tanev
Adam Larsson
Will Borgen

To Seattle-
Pontus Holmberg
Calle Jarnkrok
TJ Brodie
Mikko Kokkeknen
1st Round Pick

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Domi-Tanev
Gregor-Kampf-McMann

Rielly-Larsson
McCabe-Liljegren
Benoit-Borgen

I keep jarnkrok and holmberg id be more willing to part with gregor and kampf befit I part with them pretty sure it’s the same money as well

 

[Avilaj07]

I keep jarnkrok and holmberg id be more willing to part with gregor and kampf befit I part with them pretty sure it’s the same money as well

Sure it might be the same money but nowhere near the same value. Jarnkrok is a solid top 9 winger who can play up and down the lineup while being a solid PKer as well, and Holmberg has really improved this year and showing that he can put up some points when given the opportunity.

Kampf has regressed this year and looks like nothing more then a 4th line center now, and Gregor is nothing more then a dime a dozen type player.

You gotta give to get.

 

[LeafParade]

I am not taking Tanev at 3.5 M and Borgen is basically a 3rd pairing RHD who makes 2.7 M.
No thanks.

 

[Stephen]

The problem imo is that Nylander/Marner's rapid rise really gave a disproportionate understanding of the development timeline for prospects.

Most picks in that 2nd-7th round will take anywhere from 3-5ish years until they're consistently ready for the NHL as a rookie

Zach Hyman didn't play a game in the NHL until he was 23 and wasn't ready for a full season until he was 24

Nylander and Marner developing as scorers isn't that outrageous for Top 10 picks, but making the playoffs in 2017 as a unit was definitely an outlier for that wave of high picks. Buffalo still in the starting blocks from that rebuild cycle, seamlessly transitioning into the next rebuild.

 

[ULF_55]

Buffalo still in the starting blocks from that rebuild cycle, seamlessly transitioning into the next rebuild.

They don't want their fans to complain about not winning a round in the playoffs.

They've planned to avoid that by making the playoffs secondary to rebuilding.

 

[Fogelhund]

All of these are basically replacement level players who are in and out of NHL line up’s.

Brown level players (pre injury) are

From NHL.com

There were 180 players from the 2018 draft or later on opening day rosters this year.

That is an average of 3.6 per team.

We had 1. Robbie is up and down

34% of the league are born in 1998 or earlier. That’s 240 players and 7.5 per team.

We have 4. Robbie holmberg knies. Lilly.

Lots of teams are getting more contributions from ELC than us

Dubas traded too much of the future for the results we got. It’s true.

We can think he did well with the picks he had. We can hope we have some gems.

But we don’t know that.

That poster always claims that he knows. When we don’t.

Robbie Lilly dermott sandin. Mango didn’t go as planned.


We can hope this group does. But right now the results speak for themselves.

I see you just ignored this?

Yep. Just taking a quick look at drafting outside of top-20 picks, this is what the top-10 teams during that time period have gotten so far from 2018-2022 drafts:

Washington - 653 GP
Toronto - 553 GP
Minnesota - 317 GP
Colorado - 213 GP
Vegas - 190 GP
Boston - 153 GP
Pittsburgh - 145 GP
Carolina - 137 GP
Florida - 93 GP
Tampa - 65 GP

I mean... ok, we get that this is something you have unrealistic expectations on, and don't understand. Alright... moving on then.

Lube or Dumba would be wise selections. They provide some physical play, they are options for the PK and they can move up and down the lineup. Lube has some familiarity within the organization. Dumba was an option this summer instead of Klingberg for similar money, it's a cheap way to fix that mistake.

They can probably score a 3rd or 4th at the deadline. A defenseman does need to be added at the very least if they plan to do something at the deadline. There aren't many 2nds left, they're down a future 1st. They have had a couple light drafts. I don't mind staying in the bargain bin this year.

Can someone please explain what the fascination is with these two?

Dumba isn't good. Doesn't put up points anymore, has always had suspect defense... but he hits...
Lyu is just meh...

Neither are upgrades on what we have, and you want to spend assets on them?

 

[Legion34]

I see you just ignored this?

Yep. Just taking a quick look at drafting outside of top-20 picks, this is what the top-10 teams during that time period have gotten so far from 2018-2022 drafts:

Washington - 653 GP
Toronto - 553 GP
Minnesota - 317 GP
Colorado - 213 GP
Vegas - 190 GP
Boston - 153 GP
Pittsburgh - 145 GP
Carolina - 137 GP
Florida - 93 GP
Tampa - 65 GP

I mean... ok, we get that this is something you have unrealistic expectations on, and don't understand. Alright... moving on then.



Can someone please explain what the fascination is with these two?

Dumba isn't good. Doesn't put up points anymore, has always had suspect defense... but he hits...
Lyu is just meh...

Neither are upgrades on what we have, and you want to spend assets on them?

1.)That looks like a lot of cup winners/finalists there. We won 1 round in 6 years

2.) dubas traded most of those games away (Sandin/durzi)

That’s the point. He traded too much future for too little success we traded tons of picks for McCabe, Cowan a few 5ths and 1 round win in 6 years.

There is nothing on the current roster of impact under 25. We are getting way less games from these players than average. And none of those players are impact players.

We may have hope for those players but there is no proof that they will do well. Most don’t. Only Cowan is really trending to be a potential star. The rest are hopefully.

That poster is claiming we have many guaranteed NHL players. We don’t know that

We do know we traded tons of futures for little success

 

[LaPlante94]

Apparently we have 2 scouts watching the Devils and Vegas game.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Apparently we have 2 scouts watching the Devils and Vegas game.

McLeod please