Tavares whose still on pace for what 70 points at 50% so 5.5 million would garner much more then just a cap dump. he would have value league wide with multiple teams being interested.
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Tavares whose still on pace for what 70 points at 50% so 5.5 million would garner much more then just a cap dump. he would have value league wide with multiple teams being interested.
Dreakmur
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What are we using to re-tool? Our combination of limited cap space, depleted pool of picks and prospects, and very few valuable roster pieces outside of the core doesn't exactly make a re-tool an easy option.
The dream of building this roster around a handful of star forwards has failed. It's clear to everyone except Brendan Shanahan and Dekes for Days. Even Kyle Dubas appears to have learned it by the end.
we have 22 million in cap space only needing to sign 7 players lots of cap room in the summer
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Teams would have pay a decent amount for a guy who's still a fine #2 C, and if he is your 3, even better
That was an ongoing discussion prior to the game, and stating facts to counter false claims is not propaganda. It is countering propaganda.
If we want to stretch it out further, then over 5 competitive years, our rental transactions break down as:
1st/2nd/2nd/3rd/3rd/4th/4th/4th/6th/Sandin/Engvall/Dermott/Ritchie
for
O'Rielly (75% retained)/Foligno (75% retained)/Schenn/Lyubushkin/Acciari/Galchenyuk/Blackwell/Gustafsson/Nash/Rittich/Hutton
That's not unreasonable at all. And that's with Dubas not even being given a chance to make any of O'Rielly/Schenn/Acciari/Gustafsson more than rentals.
Top teams in this league buy rentals, and you will never get away from that, but our future was not mortgaged at any point. We drafted well, supplemented well through FA/NCAA/overseas, didn't trade any of our top prospects, added extra picks through pick trades and taking on meaningless LTIR, etc. We can go back and forth over different transactions, but the overall fact of the matter is that our prospect pool was replenished, it's healthy, we've had more internal prospect help this year than any year since the post-rebuild dump in 2016, and there are plenty of promising prospects to come. It's the least of our concerns right now.
That's just what we needed. Our GM learning something a mere 4 years after most of the fanbase.
Rare Jewel
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Well, that's good. But he has an NMC right, so he isn't going to just any team.
But let's see how many points he actually ends up with because, based on the pace of the last portion of games or so, it'll be under 70 points.
You should take a look around at what other teams spend. It's actually quite low over 5 competitive years.
It doesn’t hurt to have a conversation about JT and Marner waiving their NMC. Every team does it.
Dreakmur
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We had ZERO competitive years in the playoffs.....
We spent assets on a mirage.
Nah you're right its not that bad. Still not really inspiring additions.
They know they don’t have a roster or core group that can challenge for a cup. It’s time to free up some cap space to retool around a core of Matthews, Nylander, Reilly, Knies and Woll. They should hang on to Benoit, Gregor and Jarnkrok because they are decent players and cheap. Marner while a great player will be too expensive and they need to add bigger, more physical players both up front and on the back end if they hope to beat teams like Boston or Florida in the playoffs. Gio who’s a warrior is too slow at 40, Brodie is no longer effective and Tavares can’t play 2C on a good team. Moving on from them is imperative and Tavares is pretty much untradable so will need to be moved to 3LW next season. If Woll can stay healthy a tandem of him and Jones might be a good enough cheap tandem for next season until JT’s $$ comes off the books. Somehow they need to trade Marner and get back at least a good 2C and 2LW if they can. A sign and trade similar to what Calgary did with Tkachuk is one possibility to a team of his choice who’s looking for a super skilled forward to play on their top line and quarterback their power play. The Marner vs Nylander debate is over now because they chose Nylander. They can’t have three skilled but soft forwards earning $37M+ because they’ve tried allocating their cap space so unevenly before and know it doesn’t work. The first step is to replace Shanahan with someone who knows how to build a team that will contend for a cup not just throw money at star players who sell jerseys. Hopefully Pelley has been brought in to do that. A new President might bring in a new GM who brings in a new coach and certainly Keefe’s days will be numbered if they miss or flame out early in the playoffs. For those Leaf fans who put all the blame on the coach or new GM, they are missing the point. This core group was never going to get it done in the playoffs and eight years of counting on them to do it is more than enough patience shown by management. It’s time to cut bait and move onto to a new team blueprint. The future can look bright if they’re courageous and smart and learn from their past mistakes. Minor changes around a failed core group has not got it done and never will.
Larcos_Unal
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Good for them, he will help them a ton. Oilers serious contenders unlike our pretenders
I was just responding to the trade idea of the other poster. but if you want my real opinion Tavares will retire a Leaf. so should probably get used to him being here. posters claiming they wouldn't take him even at 800k is a joke, or trying to move him for another cap dump, absurd.
also it's more likely he gets back on his pace from the first 35 games and last 5 years once he gets through the slump(unless he's injured) then expecting him to continue what he's done in this slump. I mean this is the first time ever JT has gone even close to 7 games without a point in his entire career. and from watching games he's still getting chances to score.
BertCorbeau
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I think it's more speculation than anything. Obviously they'll build around Matthews/Nylander/Rielly because they're signed for some term already.
Seems like just media stirring for the off-season.
There's some good pieces there, and it's not all of the additions we made. It's just rentals. We targeted term a lot, and we didn't really need to be adding superstars.
It was largely just an extra boost of defense, forward depth, grit, and PKing for teams pacing 110+ points, which is pretty normal.
Heck, if we want to talk going big, look at what Florida spent on rentals in just 1 year, not 5:
Giroux (50% retained)
Chiarot (50% retained)
Hagg
5th
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1st
1st
Tippet (former 10th overall and young NHLer)
3rd
3rd round recently drafted prospect
6th
Vatrano
From a hindsight asset retention perspective, rentals are never going to look great, but that kind of misses the reason they're done, and the bigger picture.
What's way more important is the state of our prospect pool, and it's pretty good, especially considering our circumstances.
This team was only going to get worse with players like Geo, Brodie and Tavares aging out. Add to that not enough cap space to re-sign the tough, gritty players like Schenn and Aciari and relying on injury prone and unproven goaltending to get the job done was a shot in the dark. This season and next were always going to be more of the same if not worse.
With Tavares declining and more so looking like a bottom six forward nowadays, we have a HUGE issue with no second line center…
You have some players start to age into regression, but you simultaneously have some players start to age into improvements. That's pretty normal, and we've created top tier teams through worse. The core 4 are taking up the least percentage of the cap than they ever have post-ELC. We have multiple graduating prospects, and more prospect help than we've had since 2016. We had a ton of cap space to re-sign players like Acciari or Schenn, or sign anybody else to shape the team into anything. We weren't tied to anything goaltending-wise. There is no excuse to not have maintained as a top tier team.
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I imagine the Nylander and Matthews extensions eat up the projected cap increase and likely Domi's space.
If we are able to replace Bertuzzi/Brodie/Klingberg/Samsonov with players playing at or close to their cap hit value, this is a very different looking team.
There's an argument for shifting more money into goaltending, but taking a look at free agency I think the best we can hope for is a good 1A/1B option and hope the future of goaltending in Woll/Hildeby is closer to now than later...
There's also an argument for shifting some of Bert's money to defense but that probably depends on how high you are on McCabe and Lily.
I think if you go into next season with a bottom pairing of Benoit-McCabe things look pretty positive.
If we’re not going to play Robertson, I’d rather trade him before we hold onto him too long and ruin him or diminish his trade value like we have done numerous times in the past (Dermott for example).
To Toronto: Connor McMichael
To Washington: Nick Robertson
This would be an interesting one for one swap for both sides. Ideally we hope McMichael can play center for us. Maybe his speed and creativity would gel with someone like Nylander.
To Toronto: Connor McMichael
To Washington: Nick Robertson
This would be an interesting one for one swap for both sides. Ideally we hope McMichael can play center for us. Maybe his speed and creativity would gel with someone like Nylander.
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