Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[rumman]

Definitely not. With the signing of his new deal, he was given a NMC for 23-24.

88’s a good player, but that contract won’t age well, only in Toronto……..

 

[TMLAM34]

Nylander isn’t going anywhere after signing that contract extension, nor should he. We need to figure out what we’re going to do with Marner and JT.

 

[All Mod Cons]

We should ask Tavares to waive his NMC. If he is a Leafs fan, he'll understand. If he wants to see what is best for his boyhood team, he would welcome a move away.

 

[rumman]

Nylander isn’t going anywhere after signing that contract extension, nor should he. We need to figure out what we’re going to do with Marner and JT.

JT needs to be used properly, he can’t handle the role he’s in and should be utilized accordingly, not left to the wolves………

 

[JEI]

People really need to get off the idea that any of Marner, Nylander or Tavares being moved. It's not happening. These guys will be Leafs for life or until they don't want to be. This is the bed they've made with this group. The time they could have been moved was last year by Dubas but they decided against that.

It's an addition by subtraction situation now. I can't imagine some of these Marlies would do much worse at this point than Domi's and Bertuzzi's combined 10 goals.

 

[rumman]

We should ask Tavares to waive his NMC. If he is a Leafs fan, he'll understand. If he wants to see what is best for his boyhood team, he would welcome a move away.

This is hilarious, he committed to signing with Toronto for less than offered elsewhere and now he’s supposed to fall on his sword? How about accepting reality and putting him in a position that reflects his declining skills and ability and live with the contract you were stupid enough to sign him to………

 

[WTFMAN99]

Is that JT Brodie or JT Tavares?


Wishful thinking imo, get whatever you can for Brodie, Gio, Bert, Domi……..

Tavares

Brodie - as much as it's a business, the writing is kind of on the wall. His salary is very high (7.5M real money) and his play has fallen off, and his home life situation is tough, he expires after this year so he probably is just walking. If a team really wants him though, he only has a 10 team no trade clause.

JT on the other hand, has another year to go. I would say he's not worth 11M but for some teams, he won't need to be. After July 1st this summer, his salary is only 910k next year, someone would definitely want him but you need to really push, hard, to get JT out of here.

 

[keonsbitterness]

We should ask Tavares to waive his NMC. If he is a Leafs fan, he'll understand. If he wants to see what is best for his boyhood team, he would welcome a move away.

You can ask, but there is zero incentive for him to waive.

 

[TMLAM34]

Tavares

Brodie - as much as it's a business, the writing is kind of on the wall. His salary is very high (7.5M real money) and his play has fallen off, and his home life situation is tough, he expires after this year so he probably is just walking. If a team really wants him though, he only has a 10 team no trade clause.

JT on the other hand, has another year to go. I would say he's not worth 11M but for some teams, he won't need to be. After July 1st this summer, his salary is only 910k next year, someone would definitely want him but you need to really push, hard, to get JT out of here.

Even though his real salary is low and would be appealing to every team, teams still have to worry about that awful cap hit of 11 million. That along with his NMC make it almost impossible for him to be moved unfortunately.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Brodie

Is a guy who's had a lot of set-backs in his personal life. There is no way he gets traded at the deadline. How would Tre and TOR look if they treated him like that?

"Your Dad passed away, your wife is sick...we are going to trade you now. Sorry, but you suck now."

Right now Keefe is probably really struggling with the idea of making him a healthy scratch, let alone entertaining the idea with Tre/Shanny to trade him.

There is likely no chance Brodie gets traded.

Edit- the only way it is possibly is if Brodie requests to be traded.

 

[rumman]

Tavares

Brodie - as much as it's a business, the writing is kind of on the wall. His salary is very high (7.5M real money) and his play has fallen off, and his home life situation is tough, he expires after this year so he probably is just walking. If a team really wants him though, he only has a 10 team no trade clause.

JT on the other hand, has another year to go. I would say he's not worth 11M but for some teams, he won't need to be. After July 1st this summer, his salary is only 910k next year, someone would definitely want him but you need to really push, hard, to get JT out of here.

Can’t see it happening, JT has fallen off a cliff, but everyone knew the last years of his contract would be painful, use him accordingly and learn from your mistakes which judging by 88’s signing they still need to learn……..

 

[TMLAM34]

JT needs to be used properly, he can’t handle the role he’s in and should be utilized accordingly, not left to the wolves………

His role definitely needs to change. Aside from faceoffs, his foot speed has made him almost unplayable at center. Definitely needs to be moved to the wing to have any kind of success.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

We should ask Tavares to waive his NMC. If he is a Leafs fan, he'll understand. If he wants to see what is best for his boyhood team, he would welcome a move away.

He's a fan, but he's not a fool.

 

[rumman]

His role definitely needs to change. Aside from faceoffs, his foot speed has made him almost unplayable at center. Definitely needs to be moved to the wing to have any kind of success.

And dropped down the line up……..

 

[WTFMAN99]

Even though his real salary is low and would be appealing to every team, teams still have to worry about that awful cap hit of 11 million. That along with his NMC make it almost impossible for him to be moved unfortunately.

It depends on where he would consent to move to really.

Like pie in the sky talk? Arizona would love him at 910k because they have a ton of cap space currently, so the real dollars would matter more than the cap hit.

If he lists off a bunch of contenders, yea the cap hit gets prohibitive really quickly.

Can’t see it happening, JT has fallen off a cliff, but everyone knew the last years of his contract would be painful, use him accordingly and learn from your mistakes which judging by 88’s signing they still need to learn……..

Is it likely? No.

Our management is extremely soft.

If he says no, other organizations might scratch him etc to piss him off and eventually waive, our group would just take the no and change elsewhere.

My opinion is that being nice about this isn't really an option anymore. Team success over the name on the back of the jersey and the guy who happens to wear the Tavares jersey isn't much of a help to us, relative to cap hit.

 

[rumman]

Brodie

Is a guy who's had a lot of set-backs in his personal life. There is no way he gets traded at the deadline. How would Tre and TOR look if they treated him like that?

"Your Dad passed away, your wife is sick...we are going to trade you now. Sorry, but you suck now."

Right now Keefe is probably really struggling with the idea of making him a healthy scratch, let alone entertaining the idea with Tre/Shanny to trade him.

There is likely no chance Brodie gets traded.

Edit- the only way it is possibly is if Brodie requests to be traded.

All the sympathy for Brodie and his personal problems, but in the same breathe Leaf Nation happy to put JT on the next bus out of town, oh the irony………

 

[rumman]

It depends on where he would consent to move to really.

Like pie in the sky talk? Arizona would love him at 910k because they have a ton of cap space currently, so the real dollars would matter more than the cap hit.

If he lists off a bunch of contenders, yea the cap hit gets prohibitive really quickly.



Is it likely? No.

Our management is extremely soft.

If he says no, other organizations might scratch him etc to piss him off and eventually waive, our group would just take the no and change elsewhere.

My opinion is that being nice about this isn't really an option anymore. Team success over the name on the back of the jersey and the guy who happens to wear the Tavares jersey isn't much of a help to us, relative to cap hit.

No harm in asking I guess, but doubt JT complies, maybe a spot on Robidais Island will open up for next season?

 

[horner]

J

We should ask Tavares to waive his NMC. If he is a Leafs fan, he'll understand. If he wants to see what is best for his boyhood team, he would welcome a move away.

Yes

 

[TMLAM34]

It depends on where he would consent to move to really.

Like pie in the sky talk? Arizona would love him at 910k because they have a ton of cap space currently, so the real dollars would matter more than the cap hit.

If he lists off a bunch of contenders, yea the cap hit gets prohibitive really quickly.



Is it likely? No.

Our management is extremely soft.

If he says no, other organizations might scratch him etc to piss him off and eventually waive, our group would just take the no and change elsewhere.

My opinion is that being nice about this isn't really an option anymore. Team success over the name on the back of the jersey and the guy who happens to wear the Tavares jersey isn't much of a help to us, relative to cap hit.

He previously had interest in San Jose and vice versa… I think they would be our only chance but again there’s basically no chance JT actually moves.

 

[WTFMAN99]

No harm in asking I guess, but doubt JT complies, maybe a spot on Robidais Island will open up for next season?

Literally zero harm in asking.

He previously had interest in San Jose and vice versa… I think they would be our only chance but again there’s basically no chance JT actually moves.

We could always ask, I imagine we have to take back a different deal from them, maybe Rutta or something.

You might have to be willing to take off the gloves though, like if you healthy scratch him towards the end of the season if we're well out of a playoff spot, he might say screw it and waive.

 

[TMLAM34]

We’ve invested so much into our top six for offence meanwhile our bottom six has literally no identity… It’s a mix of a bunch of so-so players who all play a completely different style of game.

When re-signing Kampf, especially to that contract, how do you go out and sign Reaves and think those two would gel on the ice? Kampf needs to be put in a situation playing with other shutdown forwards in order to be successful. Gregor and McMann haven’t been bad at all but again, neither player really excels on the defensive side of the game.

Trade, acquire and fix the 4th line into an actual shutdown line. You already have Kampf to start with.

The third line should be used as a dump and chase, grinding, ugly goal type of line. Luckily for us, we potentially already have a line that could be effective if we had the right coach. Knies - Tavares - McMann. Ideally Knies and McMann’s foot speed can help off-set Tavares’ slow skating.

 

[rumman]

Literally zero harm in asking.



We could always ask, I imagine we have to take back a different deal from them, maybe Rutta or something.

You might have to be willing to take off the gloves though, like if you healthy scratch him towards the end of the season if we're well out of a playoff spot, he might say screw it and waive.

Is that the message you want to send to the other players on the team? If so why not do it with Marner too………..

 

[All Mod Cons]

JT needs to be used properly, he can’t handle the role he’s in and should be utilized accordingly, not left to the wolves………

He makes 11mil dollars. You shouldn't have to shelter an 11mil dollar player

He's a fan, but he's not a fool.

What's to be a fool about? Do you wanna try and win a Cup? You ain't doing it here. You'll still get paid. You wanna be the reason the Leafs can't build a team that can go deep into the playoffs? Then sure, stick around.

 

[rumman]

He makes 11mil dollars. You shouldn't have to shelter an 11mil dollar player


What's to be a fool about? Do you wanna try and win a Cup? You ain't doing it here. You'll still get paid. You wanna be the reason the Leafs can't build a team that can go deep into the playoffs? Then sure, stick around.

Don’t shelter, use accordingly, he’s no longer the player he was……..

 

[All Mod Cons]

Brodie

Is a guy who's had a lot of set-backs in his personal life. There is no way he gets traded at the deadline. How would Tre and TOR look if they treated him like that?

"Your Dad passed away, your wife is sick...we are going to trade you now. Sorry, but you suck now."

Right now Keefe is probably really struggling with the idea of making him a healthy scratch, let alone entertaining the idea with Tre/Shanny to trade him.

There is likely no chance Brodie gets traded.

Edit- the only way it is possibly is if Brodie requests to be traded.

We legit need to take a step back on players feelings. Every time someone was sad our previous GM traded them. I understand Brodie has gone through some tough times. But unfortunately if he is not helping the team, then he needs support and counselling, not to be patronized by continuing to play him while he is sinking.

Don’t shelter, use accordingly, he’s no longer the player he was……..

So shelter?