Carlo was 4th among Boston D in TOI/GP last year. Orlov, Lindholm, McAvoy were ahead of him.
Boston's starter won the Vezina last year. They have a very good asset playing less than half their games. They'd be better suited moving him to improve the team elsewhere.
I don't see how this isn't mutually beneficial. Boston's only weakness right now is their forwards. We are well aware of Toronto's weaknesses/strengths.
Why are we ignoring the fact that Toronto gets Carlo and Swayman in this deal? The impact of Swayman+Carlo is likely higher than the impact of Nylander.
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There's not way to quantify that, and I honestly think it's foolish to think that's true.
There is many ways to quantify the impact of players. There are many public models which do exactly that. These same public models would suggest that Carlo+Swayman have a greater impact than Nylander. This is true for any team that would play Swayman in starters minutes which he wouldn't get in Boston because they have the Vezina winner ahead of him.
Why are we looking at 5v5 and not total TOI? Carlo lead Bruins defenseman in SH TOI last season in the regular season and playoffs and was 4th in TOI/GP. Why just look at 5v5 and ignore the facet of the game where he lead his team?
Dom (The Athletic) does a good job of this. Jfresh doesn't actually own any models, he uses TopDownHockey's model to create visualizations. I also use EvolvingHockey. What data/method do you use to evaluate?
I'm sorry that you are trying to go in circles, about your inability to read correctly. Yes, he's a very useful SH guy. He's also not good enough to be used 5v5 in their top 4 minutes. If I'm moving an elite forward, I want a guy with some sort of proven track record, of playing top four, preferably top 2 minutes on D, 5v5... because that is what WE need. Our team is NOT desperate, for a D man who specializes in SH time. We need a guy who can be paired with Morgan, who has some type of track record in doing so 5v5. You are simply reaching too low.
Helps both Teams but when was the last time there was a blockbuster deal within a division? (Honest question, can't think of one)
Rielly did well with Schenn and Lyubushkin who both played the least amount 5v5 on their teams prior to the trades. Carlo is a significantly better defenseman than both of them.
I apologize if the trade proposal came off as Carlo for Nylander 1 for 1.
I don't have the same access to Boston's front office that you have so I apologize for misreading their plan.
Maybe read, to find out what the other teams needs are first.
I do put a lot of value into fan opinions but Swayman was the one on trade boards this summer, not Ullmark. Again - I don't disagree that they need C's, I never did. Teams are allowed to acquire more than 1 player per season though.
well it sounded like Schenn was intent on moving on, worst thing would be to overpay a guy who doesn't want to be here, Tre did a good job avoiding that scenario imo............
Plenty of people asking for Swayman, that is certainly true, but most often Boston fans saying no, it would be Ullmark to get moved. Some concerns about his extension, which got ironed out. Yes, teams can acquire more than one player per season, but Boston is incredibly thin on assets... like ridiculously so. They really need to focus on their main need.
Do you have a source for this? I don't remember hearing anything about this at the time.
See my post... his claim is false... They couldn't agree on money.
oops, I'm guessing I confused O'Rielly with Schenn, if so my apologies.......
Happy for Schenn... He had been on contracts of less than $900,000 for 5 seasons. For the hard miles he puts in, he deserved this contract more than maybe anyone. Strange for a player to suddenly at 34 get a three year contract 3 times his previous contracts. Maybe an indication of the importance of playing on good team's for players.
