Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[Rare Jewel]

You could, although I think every metric available shows Brodie is better at RD than he is at LD. He's unlikely to be with us after this season though anyway.

Is there much data on him at left D? He's been on the right so much.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Is there much data on him at left D? He's been on the right so much.

I question the validity of the data for a reason that sticks out.

I think it was the Athletic or someone on twitter that showed his advanced stats at RD last year and when he playing LD with Justin Holl as his partner. The RD stats were better.

 

[Legion34]

Yeah, I remember that too.

Right now when healthy the D will look like this.

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio/Benoit/Timmins/Lagesson

What's the move here?

We apparently wanted 2 D so I guess the plan was.

Rielly. Tanev
Brodie McCabe
Z. Lilly
Gio?

 

[nuck]

I question the validity of the data for a reason that sticks out.

I think it was the Athletic or someone on twitter that showed his advanced stats at RD last year and when he playing LD with Justin Holl as his partner. The RD stats were better.

Brodie was Gio's righty for his best years in Calgary. Thats his natural spot, irrespective of him shooting left. He can play on the left and has been paired with Lilly, Timmins, Bogo, and Holl and he was effective with Holl so its there.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8474673

 

[kb]

What if a team like Arizona offers a 2nd rounder (they have like 10) + a prospect?

Hope the 2nd round pick plays well in the top 4 immediately?

That's not even close to what they paid to get him in the first place. About as big of a lose-lose as you could get.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Brodie was Gio's righty for his best years in Calgary. Thats his natural spot, irrespective of him shooting left. He can play on the left and has been paired with Lilly, Timmins, Bogo, and Holl and he was effective with Holl so its there.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8474673

My work might be blocking me on that link.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Hope the 2nd round pick plays well in the top 4 immediately?

If you turn it into something else, perhaps.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

 

[Evilhomer]

That was a crushing hit.

 

[arso40]

I can't speak for next year but I am pretty certain Tanev will be a Leaf shortly. They were already in on him and with Klinger's money now free I don't see how they don't pull the trigger. Calgary is 2 games under .500 with Colorado, Vegas and Minny up next. I suspect the sale of their FAs will begin if they don't come away with a least 4 points so the timing to buy will be right.

Not sure how they find the money for a more expensive guy with term without real salary exported out and they seem to like their vets a lot. I don't think they go for a question mark but if its not Tanev it may be for a younger guy with lower salary and more term. Whatever they were offering for Zad and Tanev with retention might be the basis of the next acquisition.

I don't know how Lilly is perceived by the club or the trade market but he plays less the 18:00 a night as a 24 year old so that doesn't suggest the team has him pegged for stardom. Not slagging him because as most know I think they have a shitty coach but right now the biggest reason he doesn't get traded is probably that he is hurt.

Toi doesn’t tell the full story especially when he started off playing 3rd pair and special teams before he got injured he was a top 4 d playing the 3rd most minutes so no he wasnt playing 18 a night

 

[LeafSteel]

So that’s how a team responds when someone hits and injures one of your teammates….

Any word on Tanev? I honestly didn’t expect him to move until the TDL for Calgary to get the best price in a trade.

 

[Leaffan1991]

What about Borgen and Larsson from Seattle? Both RHD big, physical, defensively sound. 50 percent retention on Larsson, Borgen full price

Timmins
Abruzzese
1st round

 

[arso40]

What about Borgen and Larsson from Seattle? Both RHD big, physical, defensively sound. 50 percent retention on Larsson, Borgen full price

Timmins
Abruzzese
1st round

Not sure what borgen is since he plays with the big rig timmins would probably look defensively sound too

 

[All Mod Cons]

What about Borgen and Larsson from Seattle? Both RHD big, physical, defensively sound. 50 percent retention on Larsson, Borgen full price

Timmins
Abruzzese
1st round

Do you think there is any team out there, with tradeable assets, that is looking for Timmins or Abruzzese in return?

 

[SprDaVE]

What about Borgen and Larsson from Seattle? Both RHD big, physical, defensively sound. 50 percent retention on Larsson, Borgen full price

Timmins
Abruzzese
1st round

It's gonna cost you a lot more quality assets to even come close to get Larsson at 50% since he's pretty solid and he isn't even a pending UFA. Borgen is average at best, kinda meh, but asking him on top seems optimistic.

This team doesn't need multiple high cost additions to the blue line. It just needs one pretty good one, and getting Liljegren back from injury.

 

[DougGilmour93]

Not a fan of Timmins. Not yet anyways. He seems too slow out there (skating and decision making). I don’t know how many times he coughed up the puck last night with a couple of them leading to the opposition having a scoring chance.

He definitely shouldn’t be any higher than our 7th when the Leafs are healthy.
Benoit and Lagesson (especially Lagesson) IMO have proven to be excellent bottom pair defence men. I even think Lagesson could be top 4. He’s really impressed me this year.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Given the connections, I wonder if there's a deal to be made with PIt with Timmins. Possibly for POJ?

 

[Dragao6]

I question the validity of the data for a reason that sticks out.

I think it was the Athletic or someone on twitter that showed his advanced stats at RD last year and when he playing LD with Justin Holl as his partner. The RD stats were better.

Of course they were
You said it…he was playing with Justin Holl

 

[Avilaj07]

With the way that Lagersson and Benoit have been playing, I'd look at moving Timmons and Brodie and replacing them with Tanev (if not seriously hurt)

Rielly-Tanev
Lagersson-Liljegren
Benoit-McCabe
Giordano

 

[Al14]

I can't speak for next year but I am pretty certain Tanev will be a Leaf shortly. They were already in on him and with Klinger's money now free I don't see how they don't pull the trigger. Calgary is 2 games under .500 with Colorado, Vegas and Minny up next. I suspect the sale of their FAs will begin if they don't come away with a least 4 points so the timing to buy will be right.

Not sure how they find the money for a more expensive guy with term without real salary exported out and they seem to like their vets a lot. I don't think they go for a question mark but if its not Tanev it may be for a younger guy with lower salary and more term. Whatever they were offering for Zad and Tanev with retention might be the basis of the next acquisition.

I don't know how Lilly is perceived by the club or the trade market but he plays less the 18:00 a night as a 24 year old so that doesn't suggest the team has him pegged for stardom. Not slagging him because as most know I think they have a shitty coach but right now the biggest reason he doesn't get traded is probably that he is hurt.

Well, I don't think there is a limit to the LTIR, so come on over Tanev.

 

[DougGilmour93]

With the way that Lagersson and Benoit have been playing, I'd look at moving Timmons and Brodie and replacing them with Tanev (if not seriously hurt)

Rielly-Tanev
Lagersson-Liljegren
Benoit-McCabe
Giordano

I do believe they deserve some more ice time and respect. But Brodie is solid. I would deal Liljegren before him if it meant we were getting an upgrade.

 

[arso40]

I do believe they deserve some more ice time and respect. But Brodie is solid. I would deal Liljegren before him if it meant we were getting an upgrade.

No thank you I would keep Brodie if you can’t get the type of d we need but I will not pic Brodie over lily in no way

 

[DougGilmour93]

I wonder if Calgary will regret not trading Tanev? Hopefully he’s ok and not too badly injured.

Liljegren hasn’t really showed that he’s ready for top 4 minutes. I think he was on the cusp, but then had that freak accident.

I do like the idea of having a Lagesson and Lily pairing…
Timmins has to be the one going IMO
Gio can be our 7th.

 

[Avilaj07]

I do believe they deserve some more ice time and respect. But Brodie is solid. I would deal Liljegren before him if it meant we were getting an upgrade.

So you're willing to trade a young pending rfa who at times has been our best defenseman, then trade an older upcoming ufa who the last year has not been solid at all.

 

[LeafSteel]

I do believe they deserve some more ice time and respect. But Brodie is solid. I would deal Liljegren before him if it meant we were getting an upgrade.

So I’m clear: you would deal Liljegren to keep 33 year old, already declining UFA Brodie instead?

Help me understand. Do you plan to resign Brodie? For how much? Less than what we are paying Liljegren? Does Brodie have higher upside and potential than Liljegren to you?

Vehemently disagree on this one. Liljegren is part of the future. Brodie will be gone by next season, if not sooner. He is not a long term piece for us.