Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition

[ToneDog]

I was using his premise of 8x9M

Nylander for Connor is still not interesting. 1 because we are not getting a plus with Connor. 2 because as I said, Connor in two years is going to have the same amount of negotiating leverage nylander has now, maybe even more, but against a cap that could be as much as nearly $10M higher.

It solves 1 crunch year but is unlikely to work out for us over term. We are better to sign our guy.

Nylander > Connor because he is the better playmaker, but Connor is in the same ballpark. In two years you can afford to pay 16, 34 and Connor what he is worth. The problem with Willie is he is not softening yet and the closer we get to the TDL, the more leverage he has. IMO, once the TDL passes, there is no reason for Willie not to test free agency (see John Tavares and Johnny Hockey). I'd rather be left with Connor who probably scores 50 as a Leaf.

 

[Sypher04]

Nylander > Connor because he is the better playmaker, but Connor is in the same ballpark. In two years you can afford to pay 16, 34 and Connor what he is worth. The problem with Willie is he is not softening yet and the closer we get to the TDL, the more leverage he has. IMO, once the TDL passes, there is no reason for Willie not to test free agency (see John Tavares and Johnny Hockey). I'd rather be left with Connor who probably scores 50 as a Leaf.

Again though, you’re making a trade of, by your own admission, a better player to solve for one year of cap crunch, and then the player you’re acquiring is likely to cost more than the one you’re moving out.

Still doesn’t make sense to me.

Unless it becomes clear Nylander is not signing, and by some weird chance Winnipeg is both interested in a Nylander/Connor swap which is doubtful, and Winnipeg isn’t on Nylander’s ten team no trade which I think is virtually zero chance.

 

[namttebih]

Connor has been the more conssitent player since 2018/2019(though that is a bad year for nylander due to holdout) if we look at since nylander broke out in 2019-2020:

Since 2019-2020

Connor: 296 pts in 288 games or 84 pt per 82 player

Nylander: 268 pts in 282 games or 78 pts per 82 player

Neither are anything defensively so no advantage either way for them both. Closer than I mentioned at first for sure.

The trade I had though was just nylander as a pure rental since I doubt he would extend in Winnipeg (1 year nylander)

I agree if he extended then you can drop cowan and have a pretty heavily protected 1st or a 2nd/B prospect as the addition

Something like Nylander (extended at 8 years 9ishM) + Roni Hirvonen for Kyle Connor if the Jets ever wanted to move him

Connor has been the more conssitent player since 2018/2019(though that is a bad year for nylander due to holdout) if we look at since nylander broke out in 2019-2020:

Since 2019-2020

Connor: 296 pts in 288 games or 84 pt per 82 player

Nylander: 268 pts in 282 games or 78 pts per 82 player

Neither are anything defensively so no advantage either way for them both. Closer than I mentioned at first for sure.

The trade I had though was just nylander as a pure rental since I doubt he would extend in Winnipeg (1 year nylander)

I agree if he extended then you can drop cowan and have a pretty heavily protected 1st or a 2nd/B prospect as the addition

Something like Nylander (extended at 8 years 9ishM) + Roni Hirvonen for Kyle Connor if the Jets ever wanted to move him

Ok, I get it. Still doesn't make a lot of sense from a WPG standpoint. If they were committed to a full rebuild, it would probably make more sense to trade Connor for a picks and prospects package. Having to flip Willy again probably wouldn't be all that attractive. Maybe involve a third team right off the bat?

 

[ULF_55]

Connor has been the more conssitent player since 2018/2019(though that is a bad year for nylander due to holdout) if we look at since nylander broke out in 2019-2020:

Since 2019-2020

Connor: 296 pts in 288 games or 84 pt per 82 player

Nylander: 268 pts in 282 games or 78 pts per 82 player

Neither are anything defensively so no advantage either way for them both. Closer than I mentioned at first for sure.

The trade I had though was just nylander as a pure rental since I doubt he would extend in Winnipeg (1 year nylander)

I agree if he extended then you can drop cowan and have a pretty heavily protected 1st or a 2nd/B prospect as the addition

Something like Nylander (extended at 8 years 9ishM) + Roni Hirvonen for Kyle Connor if the Jets ever wanted to move him

Of course one has to consider ice time.

Nylander doesn't get the same minutes, he falls in behind Matthews and marner.

Connor gets the most minutes with Scheifele, which he wouldn't get with the Leafs.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Quick picked up Woll in fantasy as 3rd goalie. Let's go Woll!

Stashing him and a few others hoping to find another starter/platoon on a good team behind sorokin snd korpisalo

 

[notDatsyuk]

What?

Connor is signifcanlty ahead of Nylander as a player, contract, and an asset (more of his prime left).

Like Nylander + 1st + Cowan might get them to deal Connor and his incredible deal (still have 3 years at 7.15M left) but he is their best player now for 3 years, so it would take an overpayment

Hellybuck also wouldn't be dealt for a 1 year piece but rather a series or assets.

It was a joke! (I guess I should have insisted on two first rounders).

And probably not much worse than the Nylander for Hellebuyck.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree that the extra 2 years at 7.15 makes him the more valuable player.

Just as a base, Willy is only 4 months older and has 74 goals and 167 points the last two seasons with Connor getting 78 and 173. To say that he is significantly ahead of him at this point of his career is probably an overstatement.

Toronto would have to add, but 1st and Cowen wouldn't be it. If he was a straight UFA with no contract negotiations, then we're talking about something completely different. The fact that WPG would never do that makes it a moot point.

Contract aside, those stats are almost identical, despite Connor getting about 13% more ice time, and not being stuck with JT.

Who after Marner, is one of the best passers in the league?

It was posted somewhere that Willy was something like 6th overall.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You forgot and Jets retain. Laughable but I am not sure the poster was being serious. At least, let's hope so or I'm beginning to think Willie's agent has highjacked that account.

I'm actually surprised that anyone took it seriously.

 

[Its not your fault]

Considering that there are only 24 forwards with more games played, and only about 20 with more ES and PP ice time, and he has played that entire time with one or the other (or both) of two of the best passers in the league, I'm not surprised.

In his last four seasons, he's fourth ON HIS TEAM!

So you're saying you don't want him playing all the games maybe like 60? After the hit he took to the head he's been in the lineup more then most. 4th on his team? Sounds like a stacked team with 4 scorers in the top 24.

 

[notDatsyuk]

So you're saying you don't want him playing all the games maybe like 60? After the hit he took to the head he's been in the lineup more then most. 4th on his team? Sounds like a stacked team with 4 scorers in the top 24.

I didn't say anything like not wanting him to play as much, just pointing out that few others have. I don't think the hit to the head affected anything but his playing in that series.

Yes, lots of high scorers, except in the playoffs.

 

[LeafChief]

Minten had a really strong camp. I think in the long run, it would be best for his development to go back to the WHL, play his way onto the Canadian World Junior team and then potentially come back up and join the Marlies or Leafs at the end of the year (once his WHL season ends).

 

[SprDaVE]

Minten had a really strong camp. I think in the long run, it would be best for his development to go back to the WHL, play his way onto the Canadian World Junior team and then potentially come back up and join the Marlies or Leafs at the end of the year (once his WHL season ends).

Yep. He needs to play a lot, try to really dominate and improve his 5 on 5 play. I don't think he's outplayed any other option that would require to demote them anyway.

WJCs (hopefully) and then come back with a development curve hopefully that will suit him well.

 

[LeafSteel]

Red Wings sign C Aston-Reese to one-year contract https://www.tsn.ca/1.2018210.1696782596ZAR released from his PTO in Carolina.

Signs 1 year two-way contract in Detroit today.

 

[hamzarocks]

Lafferty dealt ti Nucks for a 5th

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Wow. Bye Sam.

 

[TheDoldrums]

If we could have gotten a 2nd/3rd for Jarnkrok I would have looked at that first. Lafferty kind of grew on me a bit.

 

[TMLAM34]

Figured this was going to happen. Nice to get a pick and opens up a spot for Gregor.

 

[nuck]

Contract aside, those stats are almost identical, despite Connor getting about 13% more ice time, and not being stuck with JT.


It was posted somewhere that Willy was something like 6th overall.

It looks like he is 12th among RW in A60 for the last 3 years behind players like Garland, Konecny and Zuccarello and there are 16 LW ahead of him including guys like Barabanov and Marchment so I would say probably not accurate. Its clear you have a deep and abiding hatred for Tavares but guys like Kaprizov and Panarin were having better seasons than Willie stapled to Hartman and PLD. If Willie had a more talented center he could likely score a bit more but an 87 point guy can't really be dragged down much by an 80 point guy or at least many forwards have great years even with sub 70 point linemates. I think this is what Willie is and he thrives in the usage he gets. Mark Scheifele is not more productive than JT and he plays almost 3 minutes more a night. Connor > Willie.

 

[Stephen]

Wonder if Josh Bailey is someone Toronto can take a look at.

 

[TMLAM34]

Wonder if Josh Bailey is someone Toronto can take a look at.

Couldn’t even crack a Sens lineup, why would we want him here? Lol

 

[Rob Brown]

Wonder if Josh Bailey is someone Toronto can take a look at.

Apparently he couldn't keep up with the pace in the Ottawa camp.

 

[LaPlante94]

If we could have gotten a 2nd/3rd for Jarnkrok I would have looked at that first. Lafferty kind of grew on me a bit.

Yeah his and Gregors speed has been nice to see after we only played players who were pretty slow. Would've liked to keep Lafferty since I doubt Reaves plays every game and Gregor with Kampf and Lafferty could've been a nice 4th line for those games without Reaves in the lineup. I was also on board with moving Jarnkrok simply because I felt he could get us a 2nd or 3rd round pick and he wasn't that great without Matthews and Marner. With us looking to go in a more offensive direction maybe he'll be much better on the 3rd line away from them.

 

[Stephen]

Apparently he couldn't keep up with the pace in the Ottawa camp.

I heard he was very productive but the Sens have that Shane Pinto contract issue. Not sure.

 

[LeafChief]

Wonder if Josh Bailey is someone Toronto can take a look at.

He put up points but looked slow as f***. I don't imagine the Leafs would have interest unless he wanted to play for the Marlies and potentially fill in if there is an injury pinch.

The Sens didnt sign him because he looked bad.

 

[Rob Brown]

I heard he was very productive but the Sens have that Shane Pinto contract issue. Not sure.